Could the Dubs be heading for a Spur's like 2011-2012 season ending collapse?

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Originally Posted by $pursDynasty

I was watching the Dubs eek out a win against the Jazz last night, they have been pushing hard all this season and though they are young this has to put a strain on them. They are cocky and want the notoriety associated with breaking the Bulls record but could this hubris lead them to a collapse like the Spurs suffered in 2011-12? The season the Spurs won the last 10 games of the regular season as well as the first 10 on the post season only to lose 4 games in a row. That is my dream scenario this season with the Spurs playing the role of the Thunderrefs that season with one small exception, that we go on and win the :lobt2:afterwards. I was called out how unimportant regular season wins and records are (sans a title) in another thread and I must admit that is correct because the 2011-2012 season brings me no joy now but at the time, the idea of winning 6 more games and sweeping the playoffs had me giddy as f and if we would have pulled it off I would be still talking about how incredible that team was forever.

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Only if the refs completley rape them.

The game a couple of weeks ago shows the Spurs can beat them. Enjoy the ride folks. Either the Spurs lose out to a historically good Warriors team this year (nothing to be upset about), or they slay said team and add to the legend.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Other than the illegal screens issue, which is not unique to the Warriors, the refs don't really go out of their way to help them. Curry got 50 points earlier this season with ONE free throw. Now, if they were in their back pocket, don't you think he could have gone to the line 5-10 times at various stages of the game without anyone batting an eye?

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With a fastbreaking turnover dependent defense like GS the fouls they don't call hurt more.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

I think FTAs is often an over calibrated stat when measuring cheating; but if you want to zoom in on that, Curry is averaging a career high FTAs. He's up a full attempt from last year. This article, which is old, talks about Curry improving his lay-ups while completely ignoring that he was only get to the line 1.8 times a game at one point: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...curryst01.html

Sure, Curry has improved for what it's worth; and FTAs will follow. And my contention isn't really that Curry is getting a ton of sweetheart calls; though it surely has increased. So, I suppose I revert back to the systematic cheating; the Warriors screening has been quite bad; maybe the worst I've seen; it surpasses the previous Heat teams. Some contend that the 08-12 C's were as bad; but even then, the refs were routinely calling four or five illegal screens a game against them to try and keep them honest. The refs called ONE illegal screen and Kerr had a tirade in that last Spurs game. Now, that game was different though; for some reason, the Warriors were not doing their moving screens; I think they were intentionally avoiding the narrative that they cheat before the playoffs start.

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But the Warriors aren't even close to the only team that sets illegal screens. They just take advantage of the fact that they're never called. That's not favoritism -- no team gets routinely rung up for screens in today's NBA. Green is probably the worst offender, but he is far from the only one doing it. Even the Spurs set a lot of very questionable screens.

As for the free throws, Steph Curry is the leading scorer in the league and is 26th in free throws taken. 5.2 FTA for a 30ppg scorer is pretty damn low even if a lot of his shots are jumpers. He still handles the ball and has a high usage rage when he's on the court. Durant is also a jumpshooter and takes almost 2 FTA more per game than Steph despite scoring 28 PPG vs. 30. The Dubs could EASILY have more free throws allocated to them each game if the refs wanted to favor them.

Golden State as a team, despite having the best offense in the league, is 19th in FTA.

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Originally Posted by Horse

With a fastbreaking turnover dependent defense like GS the fouls they don't call hurt more.

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You mean putting two of the three best shooters in the league would hurt the Dubs? Really? Giving a dominant team like the Warriors free points would make them nearly unbeatable.


I do find it interesting though, the simultaneous contention the the Warriors get too many calls, and the statement that calls actively hurt them. You guys are arguing both sides of the fence here. :lol

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

But the Warriors aren't even close to the only team that sets illegal screens. They just take advantage of the fact that they're never called. That's not favoritism -- no team gets routinely rung up for screens in today's NBA. Green is probably the worst offender, but he is far from the only one doing it. Even the Spurs set a lot of very questionable screens.

As for the free throws, Steph Curry is the leading scorer in the league and is 26th in free throws taken. 5.2 FTA for a 30ppg scorer is pretty damn low even if a lot of his shots are jumpers. He still handles the ball and has a high usage rage when he's on the court. Durant is also a jumpshooter and takes almost 2 FTA more per game than Steph despite scoring 28 PPG vs. 30. The Dubs could EASILY have more free throws allocated to them each game if the refs wanted to favor them.

Golden State as a team, despite having the best offense in the league, is 19th in FTA.



You mean putting two of the three best shooters in the league would hurt the Dubs? Really? Giving a dominant team like the Warriors free points would make them nearly unbeatable.


I do find it interesting though, the simultaneous contention the the Warriors get too many calls, and the statement that calls actively hurt them. You guys are arguing both sides of the fence here. :lol

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Nobody is getting away with the blatant level of illegal screens the Warriors are doing; hand checking and holding; blocking like an o-linesman would do (it is that bad). I don't know if you just haven't been paying attention to that development or not....

I don't think Curry's FTAs are low at all. What's the point of fouling a guy who is automatic from the line? Just play as good of defense as you can without fouling. If anything, 5.2 FTAs is pretty damn high.

It's no surprise the Dubs are 19th in FTAs. Frankly, they're that high cos of the cheating. They are a three shooting team. How would a three shooting team get a ton of FTAs?

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Nobody is getting away with the blatant level of illegal screens the Warriors are doing; hand checking and holding; blocking like an o-linesman would do (it is that bad)

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That's a decision by the league about how to call games. It happens to benefit the Warriors more than most, because they have guys who only need a crack of daylight to light up the cords. The prevalence of moving screens changes the game, and it was one of the reasons I got burned out on watching NBA games. The league made a commitment to start calling that more, and they did for a while. But things have fallen back to the way they were before the "crackdown". If they continue to call games this way in the playoffs then, yes, it is an advantage for the Warriors.

The refs have always called a LOT of touch fouls in favor of Durant, Westbrook, and Hardin (and a few others, of course) during the regular season. But you notice how many rings those three guys have between them. That's partly because, come playoff time, the game gets called differently. And their games depend heavily on lots of trips to the line, and getting their defenders in foul trouble. I'm hoping that there will be a shift in the officiating in the playoffs this year, too. If they allow normal playoff contact, and crack down just a bit on the moving screens, it will be a huge equalizer, and I wouldn't say GS has any advantage over the Spurs in the WCF.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

But the Warriors aren't even close to the only team that sets illegal screens. They just take advantage of the fact that they're never called. That's not favoritism -- no team gets routinely rung up for screens in today's NBA.

As for the free throws, Steph Curry is the leading scorer in the league and is 26th in free throws taken.

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Damn, I didn't take time to read your comment just above. I could have just gone with "what he said". :toast

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

You mean putting two of the three best shooters in the league would hurt the Dubs? Really? Giving a dominant team like the Warriors free points would make them nearly unbeatable.

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I took Horse's comment to mean that the Warriors get so many easy points due to their defenders being allowed to foul to cause turnovers. From the eye test, I do think they get away with a ton of contact in the post. Not only would calling those fouls increase their opponents' efficiency, but it would cut down on the Warriors' buckets.

Calls in the post is extremely relative to the players and refs. And in the playoffs, it's likely that the refs continue to swallow the whistle. It's a huge factor in a Spurs/Dubs match-up, as the refs letting GS get fastbreak points off them fouling Spurs' post-players will kill any chance SA has at winning the series.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

I don't think Curry's FTAs are low at all. What's the point of fouling a guy who is automatic from the line? Just play as good of defense as you can without fouling. If anything, 5.2 FTAs is pretty damn high.

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So... fouling is always an intentional act? James Harden shoots extremely well from the line and leads the league in FTAs. Why would teams foul him but not Curry? Harden shoots almost 2x the FTA as Curry, but Curry's FTA is high to you?

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

So... fouling is always an intentional act? James Harden shoots extremely well from the line and leads the league in FTAs. Why would teams foul him but not Curry? Harden shoots almost 2x the FTA as Curry, but Curry's FTA is high to you?

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Yes, players often foul to prevent giving up easy points. Sometimes, they get away with the fouls or otherwise figure that giving up 0 or 1 points can be better than 2. Of course, certain guys who shoot 80 plus from the line are not fouled nearly as much in this manner b/c it would be pointless.

James Harden has moves predicated on drawing fouls. His mid range game is so good and on the dribble that he's automatic almost when getting clear looks, and players have to close the gap fast. A quick pause or whatever to get the player moving to the space and he sells it. And he has the body to bide his time while he does this. That is not at all Curry's game.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Yes, players often foul to prevent giving up easy points. Sometimes, they get away with the fouls or otherwise figure that giving up 0 or 1 points can be better than 2. Of course, certain guys who shoot 80 plus from the line are not fouled nearly as much in this manner b/c it would be pointless.

James Harden has moves predicated on drawing fouls. His mid range game is so good and on the dribble that he's automatic almost when getting clear looks, and players have to close the gap fast. A quick pause or whatever to get the player moving to the space and he sells it. And he has the body to bide his time while he does this. That is not at all Curry's game.

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Louis Williams is averaging more FTA than Steph Curry this season.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Louis Williams is averaging more FTA than Steph Curry this season.

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LW is getting double the FTAs of Kobe in the same minutes.

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

90% of the Spurs offense is the mid range J.:lol

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Yes and how many 3's are attempted by the Spurs by per game? How many 3's are attempted by the dubs? Like a 6-7 foot difference and that takes its toll... Are you an incest creation from Ohio?

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Originally Posted by Benoit

the Spurs have yet to have an impressive W this season which is unreal considering their great record

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Spurs are a throwback grind it out team that blows out teams b/c their suffocating defense. The Spurs held the Worriers to their lowest point totals of the season w/ their Big 3 intact & OKC to their lowest point total of the season w/ their two man crew in the lineup.

Holla at me when the Worriers hold any elite team to their lowest point total of the season.:wakeup

Boston will beat them tonight

First, you keep underrate them, they have the perfect competitevness, toughness and winning mentality, their coach is not soft or naive at all... Second, can the nba let them not winning it this year?

They winning every close game cause they have so much deterrence...

I'm not sure the Spurs could beat them in the WCF if SA's second round series with the Thunder goes the full 7.

Also, considering all of the energy Kawhi and Danny may have to exert on the defensive end, they may not have the legs to hit their shots.

That Avery Bradley D tho :wow

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Originally Posted by Spurs9

Boston will beat them tonight

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I already called this this morning dude.

Boston has tough young brothas that can easily keep up with Eliancito and Klhompson

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Originally Posted by 21209

I'm not sure the Spurs could beat them in the WCF if SA's second round series with the Thunder goes the full 7.

Also, considering all of the energy Kawhi and Danny may have to exert on the defensive end, they may not have the legs to hit their shots.

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Um, they will be well rested especially after a likely 1st round sweep.

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Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred

That Avery Bradley D tho :wow

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first team all-defense

If Warriors meet the Mavs in the first round, Zaza Pachulia would be the key to beating the Warriors

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Originally Posted by hater

I already called this this morning dude.

Boston has tough young brothas that can easily keep up with Eliancito and Klhompson

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Didnt see it tbh

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Not to that extent, but at some point, even though it seems like it'll never happen, their late game luck has to at least somewhat regress to the mean.

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Hopefully this is a sign that it's setting in. Three late, key plays, that would normally break their way didn't last night (Green bobbling the pass from Curry that led to a turnover, Curry missing the wide open, feet set three and Curry narrowly failing to steal the errant pass). These are the exact kings of fluky, random things, that decides tons of close games in this league, yet almost never seem to go against them. They're due for plenty more to.

hahahahahaha

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