Is Kawhi Leonard better than LeBron James?

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

One thing this series showed is that the gap between LeBron/Kawhi's defense isn't as big as people make it out to be. Kawhi is the better defender, but when LeBron is locked in and focused (which he is come playoff time, especially in big games), he's not far behind. It's crazy how many huge plays LeBron made defensively over course of that series.

Sorry, but this really isn't a debate. You could maybe argue Kawhi had a more impressive regular season, but if you're talking about who the better player is, it's LeBron by a comfortable margin. Hopefully Kawhi will close that gap next season :toast

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I love Kawhi but this was an embarrassing homer poll,tbh :lol...

True, our team needs reinforcement, but it wasn't like we were trotting out total scrubs alongside him..Kawhi is nowhere near Lebron ability to impact the game by making teammates better especially when it comes to play-making..His ballhandling is middling at best and he is still not mentally geared yet to take over these elimination games (LBJ won 8 of his last 9 submitting otherworldly stat line in all)..

Also another factor that separates them is the apparent gulf in athletic/physical conditioning between the two.. a 32 yo Lebron with gigantic mileage ability to play 43-47 minuets in this type of games is simply mind-boggling....Pop might as well ram up Kawhi reg season minutes in 2017 to get him prepared for the playoff load ..

Someone doesn't think a 25 year old can't play 42 mins a game in the playoffs is a dumbass.

Feels good to be one of the ones that voted in favor of the Kang back when this was first created, tbh...

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

One of the biggest drawbacks of Kawhi and the ISO game is when Leonard catches the ball with 15 on the shot clock, he holds the ball for 5 seconds, then puts the ball on the floor, does his customary dance to draw closer to the paint and with 5 on the shot clock, he realizes a shot has to go up. This results in one of three things... 1.) Kawhi forces up a bad shot 2.) Kawhi passes out to a teammate who ends up taking a forced three 3.) Shot clock violation.

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Since Kawhi was #2 on Iso's in the league until the last two months of the regular season, and over 88 percentile in points per possession on those plays, I'd say there is a four thing... 4.) He makes the bucket.

The Warriors took those crazy 3's that we'd call bad shots during the whole season and played in the Finals for second consecutive season...Kyrie won the ship with his 3 playing Iso...We lost against an Iso team like the Thunder, and other of those teams won the title this season.

I wouldn't say that's the way, or the Spurs' way. I'm just saying if you have a player who is that good on Iso's, you should take advantage of that.

But I'd love to see more creative plays from Pop instead of designing iso plays ran for him the whole game.

Kawhi runs the floor well and has good timing on cuts, why not find Kawhi cutting to the rim?

If Kawhi would play for the Cavs/Dubs/Clips we would see lobs for him in every game...It's that hard to give him easy points?

How many times in a game we watch they setting screens for him to force a switch and then exploit the matchup?

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Since Kawhi was #2 on Iso's in the league until the last two months of the regular season, and over 88 percentile in points per possession on those plays, I'd say there is a four thing... 4.) He makes the bucket.

The Warriors took those crazy 3's that we'd call bad shots during the whole season and played in the Finals for second consecutive season...Kyrie won the ship with his 3 playing Iso...We lost against an Iso team like the Thunder, and other of those teams won the title this season.

I wouldn't say that's the way, or the Spurs' way. I'm just saying if you have a player who is that good on Iso's, you should take advantage of that.

But I'd love to see more creative plays from Pop instead of designing iso plays ran for him the whole game.

Kawhi runs the floor well and has good timing on cuts, why not find Kawhi cutting to the rim? One, two, never?

If Kawhi would play for the Cavs/Dubs/Clips we would see lobs for him in every game...It's that hard to give him easy points?

How many times in a game we watch they setting screens for him to force a switch and then exploit the matchup?

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He's pretty bad at ISO tbh. He can't score when it matters. The crap stats in junk time don't matter. where was the ISO in the 4th in RD 2? Great stats

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Originally Posted by tholdren

He's pretty bad at ISO tbh.

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:lol

Well, I don't know how a player who was over 88 percentile in points per possessions on those plays is bad at it.

But you're the same guy who said he can't finish when he was one of the most efficient players on drives in playoffs, over 81 percentile and 52.5 FG%.

Imagine being one of the 69 dumbass to vote for Kawhi :lol

Kawhi is in the 3-6 range of best players in the NBA, nothing wrong with that, tbh..he has progressed every single year, his work ethic is elite..

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Originally Posted by resistanze

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not really shocking, i dont think theres a single good poster in that list. might be 2-3 but i'd have to look really hard

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Kawhi is in the 3-6 range of best players in the NBA, nothing wrong with that, tbh..he has progressed every single year, his work ethic is elite..

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indeed. just look at the evolution of his jump shot from college to now

I think just for the sake of the forum, more posters should come here and vote (for LeBron) so that this doesn´t make the forum look like totally homer and plain basketball ignorant.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Does Lebron outplay Kawhi if he was on the Warriors team for Curry?

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S;p

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Originally Posted by kaji157

I think just for the sake of the forum, more posters should come here and vote (for LeBron) so that this doesn´t make the forum look like totally homer and plain basketball ignorant.

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Spurstalk runs rampant with racism, trolls with 10 accounts, awful takes, xenophobes, homophobes, and fat redneck mexican border jumping hillbillies

This isn't the thing that makes the forum look bad :lol

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Originally Posted by jimbo

:wakeup

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:wakeup

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Managed? You're that guy, you can't hide your true feelings from yourself.

Remember little troll what you say about autistic kids and their families next time when you get harm back. Just let Karma go to work.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

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Well, I don't know how a player who was over 88 percentile in points per possessions on those plays is bad at it.

But you're the same guy who said he can't finish when he was one of the most efficient players on drives in playoffs, over 81 percentile and 52.5 FG%.

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Yep Hes awesome, which is why he led the spurs to the finals.... never. He goes away in the fourth. Just like LMA. Not saying he isn't a good player. Saying that he can't score for shit when it matters, and thats pretty much a fact.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Yep Hes awesome, which is why he led the spurs to the finals.... never.

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So what? Iverson, Nash, Barkley, Baylor, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Wilkins...Several All-Time players never led a team to the Finals, and they were still amazing talents.

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Saying that he can't score for shit when it matters, and thats pretty much a fact.

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Unlike you, I wouldn't say he can't score or never scored in the clutch, because he was the most efficient in the regular season.

Bad games in playoffs? Well, this shit happens even to the best players. Durant was 7-33 against Dallas/1-8 on 3's vs Warrios in game 6, Curry was 4-15 in game 1 of Finals/4-14 on 3's in game 7...

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Originally Posted by SquawkinHawkBigCock

S;p
Spurstalk runs rampant with racism, trolls with 10 accounts, awful takes, xenophobes, homophobes, and fat redneck mexican border jumping hillbillies

This isn't the thing that makes the forum look bad :lol

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Stop nitpicking

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

So what? Iverson, Nash, Barkley, Baylor, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Wilkins...Several All-Time players never led a team to the Finals, and they were still amazing talents.


Unlike you, I wouldn't say he can't score or never scored in the clutch, because he was the most efficient in the regular season.

Bad games in playoffs? Well, this shit happens even to the best players. Durant was 7-33 against Dallas/1-8 on 3's vs Warrios in game 6, Curry was 4-15 in game 1 of Finals/4-14 on 3's in game 7...

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No offense bruh, but 5 out of the 8 you mentioned led their teams to the finals. I don't agree with the Kawhi dissing and ridiculous standards he's held to, but making statements THAT off base hurts your built credibility.

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Originally Posted by keeferob25

No offense bruh, but 5 out of the 8 you mentioned led their teams to the finals.

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You're right. What I meant was there are a lot of great players without a ring. Unlike tholdren, I don't judge the talent based on making the Finals/winning rings, since there are a lot of luck and so many variables involved.

Lebron cause of that superhuman block on Iguodala.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

You're right. What I meant was there are a lot of great players without a ring. Unlike tholdren, I don't judge the talent based on making the Finals/winning rings, since there are a lot of luck and so many variables involved.

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Gotcha...completely agreed. Finishing 2nd in MVP voting, back to back DPOY, Finals MVP with most of his career left to go is insane. His support has declined rapidly across the board so it's hardly fair to judge him comparatively to others with much more youthful, prime support. Hopefully the FO can make some magic happen this offseason.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

You're right. What I meant was there are a lot of great players without a ring. Unlike tholdren, I don't judge the talent based on making the Finals/winning rings, since there are a lot of luck and so many variables involved.

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I don't either. I don't go slob-knobbing threads posting how good someone is, if they can't lead their team. He's not a great team player. IF the ultimate goal is a ring, he can't lead a team to it. If the ultimate goal is getting 2nd in MVP, he's the best.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Someone doesn't think a 25 year old can't play 42 mins a game in the playoffs is a dumbass.

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popovich hurts us with his resting and bullshit ass substitutions.