Was mentioned in another thread, but in the two games Cameron Payne played are the two games the Thunder lost. He's since taken Payne out of the lineup completely.
Notice the game we won (the fluky first game was an anomaly), Fathead only got 3 minutes. Statistically, he's even worse than Payne. Yet Poop will not prune his minutes.
Kawhi needs to play fuckin' 48 minutes next game or Pop needs to stagger the lineup so that Green can move into the 3 and Manu plays the 2 if Kawhi really does need a blow.
Looking closer at how Poop is matching up lineups, I'm becoming more and more convinced this series loss will be 80% on him. You have fuckin' Manu Ginobili and he's only getting 19 minutes tonight?
"He's old."
Who gives a shit. Anderson is terrible right now, and an older Manu is much more deserving of those minutes than him. And even though they don't play the same position, Danny's versatility allows for Manu to play more minutes, Kawhi to rest, and for Anderson to never see a minute. Example:
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5:39 Manu Ginobili enters the game for Danny Green
You can play out the quarter with Manu here. Kawhi plays 10 first quarter minutes. This is where you sub in Danny at the 3 for Kawhi instead of Fat Head.
Start of the 2nd quarter. TV timeout plus 2 minutes. Kawhi is rested enough. He replaces Danny. Roll with Manu for another 2 or 3 minutes and then sub Danny back in at the ~ 9:00 minute TV timeout mark. Kawhi plays the entire second quarter. Danny finishes the quarter unless he's struggling, in which case you bring Manu back in to see if he can spark a run.
No need for Fat Head. Danny is a good enough Durant defense and actually is an offensive threat.
But here's what Poop does in this game:
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5:09 Kyle Anderson enters the game for Kawhi Leonard
What happened? Thunder closed the quarter on an 11-6 run.
Same shit happened at the end of the 3rd:
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3:00 Kyle Anderson enters the game for Kawhi Leonard 64 - 71
Thunder close the quarter on a 5-1 run.
Fat Head absolutely kills the offense anytime he's in.
If Fat Head sees the floor in game 6, Pop has officially lost it. There's no logical reason to play him. None.
But I have a feeling Pop will stubbornly stick to his mechanically planned rotations and blow another series with his nonsense lineups.
05-11-2016
timtonymanu
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Pop doesn't care anymore, otherwise Diaw/West would have stopped getting minutes together since Game 1.
05-11-2016
spursistan
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
He has coached like a disinterested turd..Many here have been calling his falloff in many areas (I have mentioned in one thread how his Out of Timeout plays have grown stale and unimaginative over the past few years)..
Pretty sad Pop is pulling this dumbfuckery in Tim last season..
05-11-2016
midnightpulp
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by spursistan
He has coached like a disinterested turd..Many here have been calling his falloff in many areas (I have mentioned in one thread how his Out of Timeout plays have grown stale and unimaginative over the past few years)..
Pretty sad Pop is pulling this dumbfuckery in Tim last season..
I don't get the commitment to Fat Head? He's averaging 0.8 points on .250 shooting! And he gets 9 minutes this game?
Kawhi needs to play 44 minutes next game. If he needs a rest, just stagger the fuckin' lineup. Also, Green was red hot tonight and he only gets 28 minutes???
Unbelievable. Only coach in history afraid to play his best players big minutes. He blew the '06 series as well by kid gloving Manu.
05-11-2016
spursistan
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
I don't get the commitment to Fat Head? He's averaging 0.8 points on .250 shooting! And he gets 9 minutes this game?
Kawhi needs to play 44 minutes next game. If he needs a rest, just stagger the fuckin' lineup. Also, Green was red hot tonight and he only gets 28 minutes???
Unbelievable. Only coach in history afraid to play his best players big minutes. He blew the '06 series as well by kid gloving Manu.
Also why the hell is he not throwing K-mart for couple minutes to see if he can hit a fuckin 3 when Patty Trash has proved to be most pathetic brick layer of the series giving nothing on the other end ?
05-11-2016
midnightpulp
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by spursistan
Also why the hell is he not throwing K-mart for couple minutes to see if he can hit a fuckin 3 when Patty Trash has proved to be most pathetic brick layer of the series giving nothing on the other end ?
I think he's just hoping Patty can get some of that 2014 magic back for a game.
But yeah, it's retarded. He signed Martin FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, and he doesn't use him :lol
05-11-2016
HarlemHeat37
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Yep, Cameron Payne has played some of the worst basketball I've ever seen in the playoffs..credit to Donovan for benching him, rather than stubbornly forcing something that isn't working..
He has also benched Ibaka in several key moments, which seemed unlikely and took a lot of balls..
Pop has 1 more game to make major adjustments, or at the very least, make a desperation move..although, last year's Clippers series had 7 games of Pop not adjusting to the same fucking play LAC ran all series:lol
05-11-2016
midnightpulp
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Yep, Cameron Payne has played some of the worst basketball I've ever seen in the playoffs..credit to Donovan for benching him, rather than stubbornly forcing something that isn't working..
He has also benched Ibaka in several key moments, which seemed unlikely and took a lot of balls..
Pop has 1 more game to make major adjustments, or at the very least, make a desperation move..although, last year's Clippers series had 7 games of Pop not adjusting to the same fucking play LAC ran all series:lol
I don't get his infatuation with Fat Head. If Kawhi resting is a concern, you stagger Green and Manu.
05-11-2016
jermaine
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
I don't get his infatuation with Fat Head. If Kawhi resting is a concern, you stagger Green and Manu.
He doesn't need any time on the court.. He hasn't stopped anything or created anything. But Pop silly ass still won't give Martin mins over Fathead. At least Martin could generate points or get to the line.
05-11-2016
DeRozan m8
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Anderson needs to GET THE FUCK OUT OF SAN ANTONIO FULL STOP
05-11-2016
Snaq O'Meal
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
It may be possible that Pop made no adjustments because he has no fucking clue what to adjust.
05-11-2016
jermaine
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by Snaq O'Meal
It may be possible that Pop made no adjustments because he has no fucking clue what to adjust.
Use anyone on the payroll... 7'3 on your bench... Martin the late season pickup over Fathead. Its really that simple.
05-11-2016
midnightpulp
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by Snaq O'Meal
It may be possible that Pop made no adjustments because he has no fucking clue what to adjust.
I don't get it. Are his assistants paying attention? Too chickenshit to confront him with a suggestion?
The numbers clearly show that Fat Head should not see a minute in this series. He's the Spurs' Cameron Payne, but Donovan was perceptive enough to adjust immediately, while Pop played Anderson 9 minutes tonight. In those 9 minutes, OKC outscored the Spurs by 9. A 1 point per 1 minutes deficit. Prorate over 48 minutes, and the Spurs lose by 48 :lol
And even though Duncan has been atrocious offensively, he's strangely treading enough water where the Spurs are still okay with him on the floor. When Anderson is on the floor, the Spurs go to shit. He's killing the team more than any other player, and he barely gets 5/6 minutes per game :lol
05-11-2016
TheGreatYacht
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Great thread mid, tbh.
Can't believe Kyle is getting minutes this late in the playoffs with his useless self. He's NOT a playmaker, he's NOT a scorer, he's NOT a high bball IQ player just because his head is humongous, and he's definitely NOT a good defender.
The only thing this POS does well is rebound and he can't even do that right now. Holy shit that rebound he didn't go after that was 2 feet infront of him that led to an OKC three was huge.
Get him the fuck out. He doesn't even have Luke Walton potential at this point.
05-11-2016
TheGreatYacht
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Too bad there isn't an athletic shooting guard with a similar playing style to Dion Waiters on the team :lol someone who brings the juice, as opposed to fat head and his chest shorts
05-11-2016
midnightpulp
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Too bad there isn't an athletic shooting guard with a similar playing style to Dion Waiters on the team :lol someone who brings the juice, as opposed to fat head and his chest shorts
Jordan Clarkson went 35th in that draft :bang
He's exactly what this team needs off the bench right now. But Poop and Co. were likely enamored with Fat Head's "passing ability," "savvy" and length.
05-11-2016
TheGreatYacht
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Jordan Clarkson went 35th in that draft :bang
He's exactly what this team needs off the bench right now. But Poop and Co. were likely enamored with Fat Head's "passing ability," "savvy" and length.
Passed up on hometown kid Jordan Clarkson for....
:pop: Corporate Knowledge
05-11-2016
objective
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Anderson is just more proof that Pop is sad and done.
When Pop watches the tape, in between the heavy lidded waking naps, he probably sees Anderson doing a fine job. Hell, he probably thinks Anderson is incredibly fast and explosive.
05-11-2016
SPURt
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
I just don't understand when the Spurs are getting destroyed on the boards why Pop doesn't at least try Boban for a few possesions to see if the positives out weigh the negatives? I haven't seen any noticeable adjustments this series.
05-11-2016
Gervin44Silas13
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by SPURt
I just don't understand when the Spurs are getting destroyed on the boards why Pop doesn't at least try Boban for a few possesions to see if the positives out weigh the negatives? I haven't seen any noticeable adjustments this series.
theses assholes are just standing around there is no boxing out no agressiveness We are just fucking old man!!!!
05-11-2016
DeRozan m8
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by objective
Anderson is just more proof that Pop is sad and done.
When Pop watches the tape, in between the heavy lidded waking naps, he probably sees Anderson doing a fine job. Hell, he probably thinks Anderson is incredibly fast and explosive.
This is the thing though, Pop said he doesn't even watch tapes.
Its showing...
05-11-2016
Spurs9
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Id rather see kmart out there over kyle, did you see the play where kyle just watched the ball and didnt even attempt to get it?
05-11-2016
BermudaSooner
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
I love when fans think they know more than the best coach in the NBA. Funny stuff.
05-11-2016
apalisoc_9
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Pop didnt make a single adjustment against the the clippers 45 set. What makes you think he will? How many times I have said since 2011 that hes been a poor adjustment coach.
05-11-2016
TheGreatYacht
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by BermudaSooner
I love when fans think they know more than the best coach in the NBA. Funny stuff.
Who's talking about Brad Stevens?
05-11-2016
Brian Windhorst
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by BermudaSooner
I love when fans think they know more than the best coach in the NBA. Funny stuff.
Yeah the gameplan and rotations were perfect last night we just didn't hit shots
:pop:
05-11-2016
polandprzem
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
Pop didnt make a single adjustment against the the clippers 45 set. What makes you think he will? How many times I have said since 2011 that hes been a poor adjustment coach.
Three times?
05-11-2016
UZER
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by Snaq O'Meal
It may be possible that Pop made no adjustments because he has no fucking clue what to adjust.
Duh. This has always been his problem. That's why he always preaches system system system because he knows nothing else.
This why against coaches that adjust to him, as the series goes on, that team ges stronger and stronger while the Spurs fade. His only adjustments ever have been who starts the first or second half.
05-11-2016
polandprzem
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by UZER
Duh. This has always been his problem. That's why he always preaches system system system because he knows nothing else.
This why against coaches that adjust to him, as the series goes on, that team ges stronger and stronger while the Spurs fade. His only adjustments ever have been who starts the first or second half.
Yup. He started Devin Brown in game six 2004 ... Well in the second half. Way too late :)
I always was there to defend Pop but now just can't. At the end of his career I'm here to pin him to the tree !
Fuck that I'm gonna go and do some Chili Con Carne !
05-11-2016
urunobili
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Boban shat on Kanter in the regular season and was not even tried...
05-11-2016
houston spurs fan
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
This is an excellent take mid. I thought while watching the Mavs OKC series and they were closing games with Westbrook, KD, Kanter, Adams, and Waiters it would give us serious problems and it certainly has. That lineup you could argue is the top in the NBA as long as they are not turning the ball over
05-11-2016
Biernutz
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Slo-Mo is still a project..next year will be his make or break year....I look for a trade....
05-11-2016
FkLA
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Fathead play decent D on Durant. Thats really the only reason he's out there. Not a fan of him by any means but I don't think him playing a couple of minutes has much of an impact.
05-11-2016
spursistan
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
This series is over IMO..Pop is 2-12 in Game 6s when he trails 2-3 in a BO7 series..his two twins were thanks to CP0 allergy to Conference Finals (Hornets '08) and the other he ended up losing Game 7 at home against Dallas 2006 in a series he was thoroughly outcoached.
He's just that type of miserable bitterender with his refusal to make obvious adjustments..
05-11-2016
DPG21920
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
I really don't think big adjustments are needed. Despite scrubs like Waiters & Foye hitting big shots, despite the issues on the glass, despite Westbrook chucking in 34 foot 3 point shots and Adams throwing in backwards over the head shots & despite getting a raw deal with officiating the Spurs are in every game.
The big adjustment is Guys making 2-4 open looks they are missing. If they just do that and every other odd thing happens (bad calls, rebounding issues, fluky shots & scrubs playing beyond themselves) SA wins.
05-11-2016
Budkin
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
I think he's just hoping Patty can get some of that 2014 magic back for a game.
But yeah, it's retarded. He signed Martin FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, and he doesn't use him :lol
This I don't get. No Martin, no Miller, no Simmons, ever. W...T...F??
05-11-2016
midnightpulp
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by FkLA
Fathead play decent D on Durant. Thats really the only reason he's out there. Not a fan of him by any means but I don't think him playing a couple of minutes has much of an impact.
The sad thing is it does. Fat Head was -7 in 3 minutes in game three. He subbed in for Kawhi for the last 3 minutes of 3rd last night, and the Thunder promptly went on a 5-1 run to close the quarter.
If Pop is worried about defense on Durant when Kawhi is subbed out, stagger Green, as I said.
05-11-2016
midnightpulp
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
I really don't think big adjustments are needed. Despite scrubs like Waiters & Foye hitting big shots, despite the issues on the glass, despite Westbrook chucking in 34 foot 3 point shots and Adams throwing in backwards over the head shots & despite getting a raw deal with officiating the Spurs are in every game.
The big adjustment is Guys making 2-4 open looks they are missing. If they just do that and every other odd thing happens (bad calls, rebounding issues, fluky shots & scrubs playing beyond themselves) SA wins.
Fat Head not seeing another minute on the floor is definitely an adjustment that needs to be made.
Note, I'm not irrationally hating on Kyle here, but all the evidence strongly suggests he's a huge liability on the floor in this series.
05-11-2016
DPG21920
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
I agree w/ staggering DG. He seems like he more than anyone can sustain playing big minutes and needs to. Unfortunately with Kawhi looking completely gassed late in games (he is 2-9 with 5 points in the last 2 fourth quarters) Kawhi can't play 42MPG+ and be effective.
05-11-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Too bad there isn't an athletic shooting guard with a similar playing style to Dion Waiters on the team :lol someone who brings the juice, as opposed to fat head and his chest shorts
05-11-2016
TheGreatYacht
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
:pop: Who's that? Does he even suit up?
05-11-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
:pop::pop: Who's that? Does he even suit up?
:pop:That's the guy that picks up my wine orders, he's still not over himself.:rolleyes
05-11-2016
Chinook
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
I really don't think big adjustments are needed. Despite scrubs like Waiters & Foye hitting big shots, despite the issues on the glass, despite Westbrook chucking in 34 foot 3 point shots and Adams throwing in backwards over the head shots & despite getting a raw deal with officiating the Spurs are in every game.
The big adjustment is Guys making 2-4 open looks they are missing. If they just do that and every other odd thing happens (bad calls, rebounding issues, fluky shots & scrubs playing beyond themselves) SA wins.
Issue is even a locked-in Green is likely to only shoot around 50 percent next game. I think he'll score in single digits off six or seven attempts. I don't think that'll be enough unless someone else besides LMA and Kawhi gets close to 20. The Spurs have been in games, but they are also looking to be on fumes right now.
It would make a good deal of sense to change up the starting lineup. I'd start Diaw to see if he could get someone in foul trouble. Duncan and West might be a slow-footed bench combo, but they should be able to handle Collison and Kanter.
05-11-2016
TheGreatYacht
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
:pop:That's the guy that picks up my wine orders, he's still not over himself.:rolleyes
:lmao
05-11-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by Chinook
It would make a good deal of sense to change up the starting lineup. I'd start Diaw to see if he could get someone in foul trouble. Duncan and West might be a slow-footed bench combo, but they should be able to handle Collison and Kanter.
Collison is BARELY playing, 1 minute::lmao
Pop should handle the rotation by having Tim/LMA on the floor against the Kanter/Adams lineup as much as possible & playing Diaw/West only when Ibaka is in the game. Thus, the team would be best served starting West or Diaw then bringing Tim off the bench to matchup w/ Kanter.
I would say start West since Roberson can't take advantage of D-Worst's brick feet unlike Waiters.
05-11-2016
DPG21920
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Fat Head not seeing another minute on the floor is definitely an adjustment that needs to be made.
Note, I'm not irrationally hating on Kyle here, but all the evidence strongly suggests he's a huge liability on the floor in this series.
Perhaps, but again, I think people are so focused on the results they are failing to see how fluky SA's shot making has been:
SA, despite "lineup flaws" and adjustments, are generating a lot of open looks. Looks they have hit all year. Looks they should hit.
An interesting note to go along with this quote: The Spurs had 48 uncontested field-goal attempts in Game 5, the most of any game in this series, and made only 21 of them. For perspective, Oklahoma City had just 33 such attempts. The difference? The Thunder made 46.7 percent of their contested attempts; the Spurs connected on just 35 percent.
05-11-2016
ViceCity86
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by UZER
Duh. This has always been his problem. That's why he always preaches system system system because he knows nothing else.
This why against coaches that adjust to him, as the series goes on, that team ges stronger and stronger while the Spurs fade. His only adjustments ever have been who starts the first or second half.
Even when they win that's the case.Look at 2005 Finals.Started off like gangbusters first 2 games.Larry Brown made adjustments and tightened the series.They lucked out with Horry having a 1995 flashback in game 5 and Pistons shitting the bed on offense in game 7.If that series was best of 9,they lose.
05-11-2016
midnightpulp
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
Perhaps, but again, I think people are so focused on the results they are failing to see how fluky SA's shot making has been:
SA, despite "lineup flaws" and adjustments, are generating a lot of open looks. Looks they have hit all year. Looks they should hit.
This just lends more credence to the age old idea that jumpshot shooting teams (unless you're an anomaly, like Golden State) don't win titles. There's just too much variance. I would wager to guess that best jumpshooters in the league probably hit 50-55% of their uncontested looks from the mid-range and out. Compare that to the overall percentage of the better post players and penetrators. They'll shoot 55-60% whether contested or not. And I'm sure the uncontested rate for penetrators and post-players is 70-80%.
That said, it is encouraging the offense is generating looks. If the Spurs can just hot for the next two games, we have a shot.
05-11-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
Perhaps, but again, I think people are so focused on the results they are failing to see how fluky SA's shot making has been:
SA, despite "lineup flaws" and adjustments, are generating a lot of open looks. Looks they have hit all year. Looks they should hit.
Th two notorious chokers on the team (Softridge & Porker) missed a handful of uncontested mid-range shots include a FT.:rolleyes
05-12-2016
SAGirl
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
Well when everyone, and I do mean everyone in the bench is a stinker in this series, lets blame the youngster bc right, 5-8 minutes are going to sink the team. Never mind the fact that the veterans there, some of them NBA champions, can't defend, rebound or score. Let's blame Anderson. This take is ridiculous. :lol
05-12-2016
Spurs 4 The Win
Re: Underrated move by Donovan.
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Originally Posted by ViceCity86
Even when they win that's the case.Look at 2005 Finals.Started off like gangbusters first 2 games.Larry Brown made adjustments and tightened the series.They lucked out with Horry having a 1995 flashback in game 5 and Pistons shitting the bed on offense in game 7.If that series was best of 9,they lose.
I think that had more to do with the Manu injury than the adjustments lol
