USA TODAY: Tony Parker has to realize the Spurs aren't his team anymore

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Originally Posted by SASdynasty!

Neither, all he and Aldridge have to do is not pass it right back to Parker when they get it down the stretch. It's not that difficult actually.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

In one play he asked TP to bail him out with 3 sec left on the shot clock... that's a bit different from he passed to Parker. At least Parker did not hide the whole fourth quarter like most of the dudes out there.

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Again, that was one play.

Kawhi made two shots in the 4th and then in the next 5 possessions he didn't touch the ball. Of course, you'd say, he's deferring but not, he doesn't defer in the whole 12 minutes of a quarter.

You can't explain WHY one of the main scorers in the team is freezed during many minutes.

Or why Parker isn't a true floor general/point guard. After all, he's the guy who should involve Kawhi/make plays for him

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If kawhi wants the ball and says fuck you to Pop (I hope you don't believe that Parker made plays without his ok tbh), he can do that. this is his team, he doesn't need to yell at Parker or hit him in the stomach but just bring the fucking ball up and do the business. nobody would have said a word about that.

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But WHY Kawhi should ask for the ball? That's so stupid. The team has to give him the ball.

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Manu used to do exactly that... when he was feeling it, he was taking the ball and was doing his stuff and btw in those cases everybody was getting out of his way including Parker.

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Pop played prime-Tim almost 40mpg, Pop let young Manu take the ball...Pop plays Kawhi 33 mpg and doesn't even call the point guard out for not give him the ball...The things are very different now.

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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan

If we had Durant instead of Kawhi we'd be unstoppable.

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Really? You said the same about Tiago and LMA...And we aren't unstoppable with LMA.

Also, we would have this same thread.

"Damn...the Spurs have one of the scoring champions and Parker doesn't give him the ball in the last 5 minutes of the last quarter"

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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan

If we had Durant instead of Kawhi we'd be unstoppable.

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The defense would go to shit and Kawhi's overall impact is greater than KD at this point, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Kawhi has to guard for 2, his man and Porker's man, if there's a pick and roll Leonard's pretending Parker isn't even there and is guarding both guys at once, it's a must as Parker is the worst defenders in the league you can't rely on him to defend. That happens on every single play, in the post, screen and rolls, wherever they're abusing Parker, it's draining on Leonard and detrimental to the team.

Danny already stated the root cause of the problem: okc denies San Antonio it's initial action and then the Spurs offense simply breaks down. The motion offense is supposed to avoid these issues. Not sure what is wrong with these guys.

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Originally Posted by KL2

The defense would go to shit and Kawhi's overall impact is greater than KD at this point, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Kawhi has to guard for 2, his man and Porker's man, if there's a pick and roll Leonard's pretending Parker isn't even there and is guarding both guys at once, it's a must as Parker is the worst defenders in the league you can't rely on him to defend. That happens on every single play, in the post, screen and rolls, wherever they're abusing Parker, it's draining on Leonard and detrimental to the team.

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Most stats say it, but you can't talk about "impact on a game" with a troll.

Tony Parker's reply:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONNlmQ98ie4

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Originally Posted by KL2

The defense would go to shit and Kawhi's overall impact is greater than KD at this point, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Kawhi has to guard for 2, his man and Porker's man, if there's a pick and roll Leonard's pretending Parker isn't even there and is guarding both guys at once, it's a must as Parker is the worst defenders in the league you can't rely on him to defend. That happens on every single play, in the post, screen and rolls, wherever they're abusing Parker, it's draining on Leonard and detrimental to the team.

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Leonard is guarded by scrub Roberson. Kawhi, the second place MVP, should be eating him alive. Do you think curry or LeBron or Westbrook would allow this scrub to impose his will on them?
And Kawhi is guarding Westbrook. He's scored over his average in 3 of the 5 games.

TP is a problem, but he's not the biggest. Too much standing around by Boris Diaw and not closing out on shooters, lack of effort to box out Adams, lack of ownership and accountability by people not named Kawhi Leonard and Aldridge.

Aldridge is not doing a great job on the glass but its hardly his forte. He's doing what was expected of him.

Tim Duncan (Injury), Patty Mills (Poor D and shooting) , Boris Diaw (Poor shooting and effort) and Coach Pop (Substitution Brain Farts) are the biggest reasons the Spurs are falling short IMO.

David West was never a rim protector and he's OLD. He can't be expected to perform miracles. The team needs to start gelling. Manu needs more minutes to create opportunities for others.

It will be interesting to see what Pop does with all that is on the line. Will Tim and Manu get extended minutes? Will Martin get minutes if Mills or Green is struggling to score? Will Boban get some minutes to wear down Adams with his size?

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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan

Leonard is shit blah blah blah Westbrook/Durant blah blah

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Kawhi 23.4 ppg in 17 FGA in this series

Westbrook 24.6 ppg in 24 FGA

I'd take Kawhi all day over Westbrook

It's clear as day......Tony needs to step aside!! Not rocket science at all!

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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan

Leonard is guarded by scrub Roberson. Kawhi, the second place MVP, should be eating him alive. Do you think curry or LeBron or Westbrook would allow this scrub to impose his will on them?
And Kawhi is guarding Westbrook. He's scored over his average in 3 of the 5 games.

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This. While Kawhi has exceeded all expectations, no one thought he would be 2nd in MVP voting, he just isn't the offensive go to guy that many want him to be, they're trying to make him, and we need him to be. It's a square peg round hole situation.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Again, that was one play.

Kawhi made two shots in the 4th and then in the next 5 possessions he didn't touch the ball. Of course, you'd say, he's deferring but not, he doesn't defer in the whole 12 minutes of a quarter.

You can't explain WHY one of the main scorers in the team is freezed during many minutes.

Or why Parker isn't a true floor general/point guard. After all, he's the guy who should involve Kawhi/make plays for him


But WHY Kawhi should ask for the ball? That's so stupid. The team has to give him the ball.


Pop played prime-Tim almost 40mpg, Pop let young Manu take the ball...Pop plays Kawhi 33 mpg and doesn't even call the point guard out for not give him the ball...The things are very different now.

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Ya the issue is between he should not need and team has to... wtf dude, discussion is about how to be politically correct or about winning a game of bb? U think Lebron, Kobe, Westchimp, MJ wait their team to feed them or they take over and what the hell they want ? smh

Dude was freezed because he fucking deferred, that's a fact... that's the same shit we give to CP3 all the time.
Offense run through what Pop wanted maybe it is time for Kawhi to really show this is his team.

Pop did not let Manu take the ball, Manu take the ball and do his stuff... Pop said various times, Manu sometimes did what the fuck he wanted. Time to stop considering Kawhi is a dude who needs to be babysitted.

Blaming Parker for losing this game or taking his responsabilities in the fourth where everybody was in hidden mode is uppershit

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Originally Posted by Brazil

Dude was freezed because he fucking deferred, that's a fact... that's the same shit we give to CP3 all the time.
Offense run through what Pop wanted maybe it is time for Kawhi to really show this is his team.

Pop did not let Manu take the ball, Manu take the ball and do his stuff... Pop said various times, Manu sometimes did what the fuck he wanted. Time to stop considering Kawhi is a dude who needs to be babysitted.

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:lol

If Kawhi tries to do now what Manu did before, it's likely Pop sits him not just 17 minutes a game but the whole 48. People forget that Kawhi said Pop didn't even allow him to shoot fadeaways until his 3rd season...

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Blaming Parker for losing this game or taking his responsabilities in the fourth where everybody was in hidden mode is uppershit

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I'm not blaming Parker for the loss. I blame him for not being the floor general/distributor this team need.

This is on Kawhi. He has to be the man, demand the ball. You cannot be an introverted superstar, at least not on the court. You have to make decisions and force your will even on your own team.

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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan

Leonard is guarded by scrub Roberson. Kawhi, the second place MVP, should be eating him alive. Do you think curry or LeBron or Westbrook would allow this scrub to impose his will on them?
And Kawhi is guarding Westbrook. He's scored over his average in 3 of the 5 games.

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23ppg on 50% shooting while guarding the team's player and being guarded by the team's best perimeter defender, who's struggling?

Westbrook scored 12 out of his 35 points on Leonard in game 5, 2 spot up 3's, that hailmary 3, and that 3pt play at the end which the nba said shouldn't have counted.

Kawhi's been the best player in the court this series

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Originally Posted by DMC

This is on Kawhi. He has to be the man, demand the ball.

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I wonder how many times LeBron has to demand the ball in a game.
The whole team looks for him and give him the ball without any issue, he doesn't need to say a word to get the ball.

If that works for the Cavs, why Kawhi should demand/ask/beg for the ball on the Spurs?

There should be a consensus on Parker/the rest of the guys passing the ball to him.

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Originally Posted by playerfan

The Spurs need him to force things instead of Parker, at least if Kawhi misses the shot, it's a learning process for him in those game-late situations.
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Look at this disgusting sentence from the first page tbh

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Originally Posted by K...

Look at this disgusting sentence from the first page tbh

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Of course. Because a young player doesn't need to learn from his mistakes.

Also, the same player fan said in this thread...that young player needs to take bad shots to turn them into good shots/better situations next time.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Of course. Because a young player doesn't need to learn from his mistakes.

Also, the same player fan said in this thread...that young player needs to take bad shots to turn them into good shots/better situations next time.

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heelo fucking regular season, hello fucking he gave the ball back to MVParker, hello he's not even young anymore, MVP runner up

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Originally Posted by Brazil

Ya the issue is between he should not need and team has to... wtf dude, discussion is about how to be politically correct or about winning a game of bb? U think Lebron, Kobe, Westchimp, MJ wait their team to feed them or they take over and what the hell they want ? smh

Dude was freezed because he fucking deferred, that's a fact... that's the same shit we give to CP3 all the time.
Offense run through what Pop wanted maybe it is time for Kawhi to really show this is his team.

Pop did not let Manu take the ball, Manu take the ball and do his stuff... Pop said various times, Manu sometimes did what the fuck he wanted. Time to stop considering Kawhi is a dude who needs to be babysitted.

Blaming Parker for losing this game or taking his responsabilities in the fourth where everybody was in hidden mode is uppershit

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It is par for the course on a message board that has taken joy in seeing its team's best PG ever deteriorate.

No point in arguing with them, IMHO.

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Originally Posted by K...

heelo fucking regular season, hello fucking he gave the ball back to MVParker, hello he's not even young anymore, MVP runner up

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:lmao

24 years old. Not young.

Manu was 26 when joined the Spurs and took two/three seasons more to reach his peak.

It's no secret that Parker is a liability in today's NBA. But I don't blame him for those shots. Parker, LMA, and Leonard all had opportunities to score in the late game over the past few games and all had their terrible performances. LMA bricking open jumpers and Leonard awkwardly trying to shoot over Durant.

Rather see a open long 2 by Parker than Leonard trying to shoot a heavily contest shot by Durant. Although one has to wonder why the Spurs need to pick between 2 terrible iso options. What happened to the motion offense? The Spurs are constantly overthinking and passing up good shots for poor ones.

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Originally Posted by bklynspursfan

Already said it a few times in diff threads, but on that last meaningful play at least, there wasn't much time. OKC denied Leonard the ball, so Parker got a pretty good look at a shot he's made a living off of.

Considering Parker has been hitting shots the last few games, I don't think it's that bad. The only other thing that could've happened is once Lamarcus saw Kawhi couldn't get free, maybe back down Kanter instead of going out to the 3 point line, in no mans land. But he was so off that game, maybe he didn't want the shot.

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With 6 secs on the clock, instead of bricking that shot, Manu would have assisted Duncan, WHO WAS RUNNING UNGUARDED TOWARDS THE BASKET!!!!!

It wasn't even a difficult pass, I said what Manu would've done, but it's more like what any true ball distributor, PG or otherwise, would have done, because it's not even great court vision, it's like automatic, out of the corner of your eye at least, you see that guy open and just do your fucking job.

But no, not Tony. Fuck this shmock... after all this years playing next to such an incredible cast, beautiful game an all... this is what he has learned... pa-the-tic

Tony Tunnel Vision Parker

What hurts the most is the wasted Danny Green game