How many rings do KD and Russ have? Harden and Dwight? CP3 and Blake? PG13? How many has LeBron won on his own? Those guys are considered the stars of the NBA and what have they done?
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How many rings do KD and Russ have? Harden and Dwight? CP3 and Blake? PG13? How many has LeBron won on his own? Those guys are considered the stars of the NBA and what have they done?
For the same reason why Kobe fans hated Shaq and Pau. Porker's fanboys just watched him eat shit in the playoffs again and need a scapegoat to blame it on. It used to be Manu, now it's Kawhi.
Spurs won't win dick with Kawhi as the number one option on offense.
He was the runner-up MVP. His offensive game is limited and the pressure of being a number one option seems short-sighted. He doesn't deserve hate for that though, he'll only get better. But you can't put the offensive burden on a player like Kawhi.Quote:
Originally Posted by RD2191
hes our best player and he didnt want it enough
Can't say it's undeserved tbh
It's not his fault when he has absolutely no help on offense from anyone on the perimeter To take any, I repeat, any kind of pressure off of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by resistanze
But still, he needs to come up bigger if he wants to be a superstar. And this goes back to pop not letting him learn how to go for 40 every so often on blowout nights. How to carry a team through slumps a skill you learn. You gotta have the will, but you have to learn the skill.
Best player from both teams.
Max player not living up to the hype. As spursfan we expect players to perform better in the playoffs. Kawhi is looking a lot like parker, big number's against weak matchups but shut down when it counts. Yup totally porker.
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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
Neither with LMA as #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
But the Spurs can get success with Kawhi and LMA working as some interchangeable scoring tandem of 1-a/1-b most games.
They just need a decent supporting cast.
Westbrook didn't outplay Kawhi in the series, either Durant/LMA...but their role players killed ours.
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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Sorry but your opinion on that matter is horseshit, with all due respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by K...
This team was A LOT worse with KL out of the lineup this year.
He is a great player who is still developing and getting better.
I would not trade him for Kevin Durant straight up and I'll tell you why - he is an impact player on both ends of the court AND four years younger. Not to mention no history of foot fractures.
The bench of the Spurs cost them this series. Bottom line. The drop off was absolutely huge in this series.
I guess some people expected more from him this series and are disappointed. i think about this way though. Without Leonard this team is probably trying to rebuild with lottery picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Has been disappointing.
Cause he shrivels up in big games. He's the Dwight Howard of 2016
It's only from people who do not understand basketball.
:lol thegreatcunt is at it again. you still think parker is better than kawhi? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Hey fuck you man, get out of here. Kawhi played wellQuote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
Well he isn't top five player. Not yet. He was supposed to only be Bowen's reincarnation. Right now he's way past him.
I'd say he'll become a lot better. Even Curry got better at what? 27?
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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
The deal with Kawhi is that the expectations have outpaced his progress. When he was just a piece of the puzzle, we all blew our loads when he would drop 20 and 10, with some steals and blocks. Now that the media and many fans are regarding him as one of the top 10 players in the league, we are pissed when he just has 22 points.
He is not a natural scorer the way guys like Kobe, Westbrook, Harden, Curry, etc. are. He just isn't. He can and will get better but his offensive game will always be of the derivative nature. He could never, ever, ever do anything remotely close to LeBron in the 2015 Finals, basically going 1 on 5 and putting up huge offensive numbers. But he can reliably get you 18-28 points any given night if he has some elite scorers around him. The Spurs are one reliably +20-point scorer away from seriously contending in the future.
how many perimeter players have won back to back defensive player of the year awards... while still having to be the #1 option on offense?
kawhi is tremendous. we would have one less title without him. fuck everyone who doesn't appreciate him.
Pretty sure he said 2016, retardQuote:
Originally Posted by gambit1990
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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
eat shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
He played a solid all-around game, and he's still a top 5 player in the league that can look like the best player in the world on some nights, but there is no denying he is offensively limited at the moment. He severely needs a strong dribble drive game to go with his midrange game.
He's not yet a player who can take over a game offensively with 35-45 points in multiple playoff games during a series. He might do it once, and it'll be closer to 30 than 40. See Durant. Had a 41 point game and a 37 point game in two of the most important games of the series.
Kawhi isn't at that level right now. Maybe in time.
Not his fault he can't guard all 5 players on the floor at the same time and has to be its best scorer and rebounder and legit 3 point shooter all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Sorry brah, but Leonard is the best player on our team and he is going to be the one to shoulder the blame. Leonard is a beast, he is my favorite player, but imo he got exposed as being a very flat offensive player and all the talk about him being on the Curry/LeBron/Durant/Westbrook tier was premature. I think he'll get there because he works non-stop in the offseason but we lost because our offense was a complete dumpster fire and he is the one leading the way. Goes the territory with being the leader, tbh
I forgot to say playmaker too.
Team can't defend without Kawhi. Team can't rebound without Kawhi. Team can't score without KAwhi. Team can't playmake without Kawhi. Fuck your standards faggot. We got players that whole job is to score, and they couldn't even do that.
It's not a matter of energy, it's his offensive style. Even the best midrange shooters and midrange post players only average about 45% from that distance. Dirk is probably the king of the mid range jumper, and even he only averages about .460 from 10-23 feet over his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
It's why teams give up the midrange shot to better defend the drive and 3. Most inefficient shot in basketball.
I'm tired of all these fucking bitchmade hoes with these fucking Jordan scoring/ Duncan defense standards.
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
maybe if he had a real pg...
Go back to the beautiful game.
We lost this series cause Pop kept playing Kyle/West all series over more Green/Duncan combo. Have you ever played any team games? Playing equal or worse players in your team will hurt your team because of cohesion. You have synergy with your old teammates. Pop basically fucking this team raw. Not on Kawhi this series.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Most games that don't include elite teams. Until the Spurs get drivers and shooters, this team is second round fodder. The beautiful game that delivered #5 is long gone and I can't help but think that the Kawhi and LMA tandem has a lot to do with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
22 points 9 rebounds 5 assist 3 steals. WTF you want of our superstar?
I don't blame Kawhi for the series loss. Pop is probably 80% to blame. Bench gets the other 20%. I'm just saying what Kawhi needs to add to his game to reach the offensive level of a Durant, Lebron, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Kawhi is a great #2 guy, but sure as fuck isn't a #1 nor will he ever be. And now that your only true #1 guy is a shell of his former self, on the verge of retirement, enjoy years of second round exits with Kawhi. Which is still way better than what the Mavs or Rockets will accomplish in that time.
He was 2nd in MVP voting DPOY and very possibly 1st team All NBA this year. That would make him a top 5 player in my world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random5843
The coach is not 80% of this loss. This was about players performing or not. The bench was awful in this series after being really good throughout the RS.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
KAwhi with a .300WS/48. That's superstar.
Kevin Durant has never been close to that.
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Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP 2009-10 21 OKC NBA SF 6 231 16.6 .499 .285 .504 3.8 18.4 11.0 13.4 0.7 2.8 12.8 34.0 -0.1 0.3 0.3 .054 -0.6 0.3 -0.3 0.1 2010-11 22 OKC NBA SF 17 722 24.1 .582 .316 .484 3.0 18.8 11.1 13.3 1.2 2.0 9.1 29.0 2.6 0.6 3.3 .217 4.4 0.4 4.8 1.2 2011-12 23 OKC NBA SF 20 837 27.5 .632 .287 .402 1.9 19.0 10.6 16.4 1.8 2.4 12.3 28.8 3.5 0.6 4.0 .231 5.6 1.7 7.3 2.0 2012-13 24 OKC NBA SF 11 485 26.0 .574 .285 .455 1.6 21.1 11.5 29.2 1.5 2.1 12.7 31.9 1.5 0.7 2.1 .210 6.0 2.3 8.3 1.3 2013-14 25 OKC NBA SF 19 815 22.6 .570 .296 .386 3.7 19.1 11.8 18.3 1.2 2.3 12.7 31.6 1.5 0.9 2.5 .145 2.6 1.7 4.3 1.3 2015-16 27 OKC NBA SF 10 394 18.8 .534 .298 .340 2.1 16.4 9.4 17.4 0.8 1.1 13.3 32.3 0.6 0.3 0.9 .115 0.6 -0.2 0.4 0.2 Career NBA 83 3484 23.7 .577 .296 .422 2.6 18.9 11.0 17.9 1.3 2.1 12.0 30.7 9.6 3.5 13.1 .180 3.7 1.2 4.9 6.1
These numbers are not counting this last game.
On 23 shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
His offensive game isn't on the level of his all-around game yet. It's not an insult to say that. He's only 24. He can add the dribble-drive game this Summer, hopefully.
No matter his scoring. He fucking went HULK on all other aspects of the game. He probably still had the best TS% out of all the real rotation players.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
kawhi could rise from the dead and people here would still complain about his abilities.
Sounds crazy but I guess that finishing 2nd in MVP voting and back to back DPOY awards isn't enough for some Spurs fans. Spoiled fan base.Quote:
Originally Posted by gambit1990
my point exactly. it's unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXstbobcat
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Same type people who said he would be Tony Allen, Gerald Wallace, Shane Battier, etc... Now trying to hold him strictly to Tim Duncan/Michael Jordan standards at 24. They bust a nut everytime he has an average game, "he doesn't go 30/10/5/5 on 60% shooting every.single.night... on the Spurs. He sucks. I was right all along." It's a lot of people pathetically trying to cling to their past shitty takes in order to salvage a little bit of their egos, tbh. They've been in recovery mode for years already on this one, and they've got a long way to go.
He just finished 2nd in MVP voting. It wasn't a mistake. Defense is pretty important, and he's head and shoulders above any other player in the league. The offense has grown every year and will continue to do so.
As a SDSU fan, I've watched this entire series and can provide a more unbiased take on Kawhi's performance during this series.
The way I see it was that OKC did a pretty good job defending Kawhi. He didn't get many good looks at the basket as there were always a few OKC players in good defensive distance around him. If he would have tried to play "hero ball" and put the team on his back; he would have done what Kobe has done over his career....jack up a ton of shots with a crappy FG%. We've all seen the big names do it and go 7-30, scoring 25 pts while the rest of the team goes cold watching one player score (not that any of the other players were hot anyways).
Could Kawhi be more assertive? Yes, and I think that's the knock on his game right now. He has yet to learn how to impose his will on a game like the other greats. But, he's still a great piece to be one of the top three players on a team and the teammates like playing with him so that makes the rebuilding of the Spurs that much easier.
The Spurs are 3 acquisitions away from reloading this squad again in the off season. Spurs need to acquire a quality PG (first priority), quality SF (second priority - Kyle Anderson is not going to cut it), and a quality PF/C (3rd priority). Having good players come on board will help scoring, open the game up for everyone, and you'll see Kawhi perform better as well.
Oh man with advanced stats like that on his side he definitely can lead the Spurs past OKC in round 2.......oh wait......Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Can a player be the best player on the floor and still lose? I'm waiting faggot. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Agree, they need more shooters to spread the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
You can hate Iso-teams but OKC is one of them. The biggest difference was the Thunder role players/2nd unit did the job. Kawhi and LMA weren't that lucky with their teammates.
"you're retarded, kawhi sucks. if you really knew basketball you would see parker's stats tonight were better :cry:cry:cry" -thegreatcunt, hater, brazilQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Yeah, if he has a shit team around him. Are you saying Kawhi has a shit team around him?Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
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Originally Posted by gambit1990
Pippen didn't average more than 21 pts per 36 minutes at ANY point of his career. Meanwhile, Kawhi averaged 23 per 36 this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by resistanze
Besides, Carmelo at 24 averaged 36 pts per 100 possession in the 2009 postseason when the Nuggets reached the WCF. Kawhi averaged 35 per 100 poss this postseason on better efficiency.
LOL bragging about kawhi scoring 22 pts on 23 shots. I'm sure you weren't one of the guys mocking Kobe for his 60 points on 50 shots or whatever it was
He has great players next to him.... but also shit players too. And Pop underplayed Duncan/Green and overplayed West/Fathead. Faggot. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Other than Leonard and Duncan, the Spurs played like shit tonight. Not much Leonard could do when his team didn't show up to play in an elimination game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Call them crazy, but I think they are looking for rings, not individual awards.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXstbobcat
Yeah if only there was a way he could push his teammates to play their best in a critical game. If only there was a way he could take control of a game and keep his team alive when they need him most. What's that called again? Leadership? But when had anyone ever done that in the NBA...Quote:
Originally Posted by TXstbobcat
rings are a team effort. kawhi would prefer a ring over an individual award.Quote:
Originally Posted by EIC
his personal accolades shouldn't take away from how great his play his.
i wouldn't blame Leonard. Fans should blame the players that played like shit tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by EIC
Yeah, but be honest: None of us really think he deserves to be MVP at this point in his career. We'd all give our left nuts to trade him for LeBron or Curry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
Your team lost to the Lazers. Hold this :lma :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Like if those individual awards have nothing to do with Kawhi giving all for the Spurs and leading them to one of their best regular seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by EIC
Not trying to shit on Kawhi tbh. He's a terrific #2 guy for a team to have. With the right alpha male leading him, he is capable of great things like Finals MVP. Just like Andre Iguodala.
Agree, others were bigger issues, but the expectations on Kawhi are that he will transcend poor play from his supporting cast. That's what league MVPs do. The question presented is whether he is deserving of those expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXstbobcat
Nobody is stupid enough to defend anybody on the Clippers the way you're defending Definitely Not A Superstar, Second Banana Leonard.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Cool. What color is that regular season trophy?Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
Finals MVP, 2XDPOY, 2nd in MVP voting. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
and two time second round exit as their #1 guyQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
In Gm 5, Durant had 23 pts on 21 shots (was awarded 2 bogus FTs when Danny got tripped) but I didn't see you crying about it.:wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
I'm surprised that Cripples fan are even aware that the postseason is more than 2 rds, hanging regular season banners!:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Oh whoops my mistake, Clippers beat the Kawhi-led Spurs in Round 1 last season :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Get ready to hang plenty of those during "The Kawhi Years"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Didn't you lose a 3-1 series to the rockets? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Do Lips even have a chip?
So he was more efficient than Kawhi in Game 6. Cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
After beating the Kawhi-led Spurs :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
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Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
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Lips put up posters over the Lakers Banners. :lmao
The regular season doesn't really have any importance at all, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by EIC
Better not play it in 2017, just the playoffs.
These guys...smh
My bad, I didn't know a SERIES was 1 game but then Cripples nation isn't that familiar w/ the postseason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Tonight was a complete disaster for the Spurs. Not even Jesus Christ could have led the Spurs to a win the way most of the team played tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by EIC
I know the Clippers beat Kawhi's ass a year ago :lmao and OKC did it tonight :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Kawhi fans desperate to stay in their fantasy world where Kawhi can lead a team farther than Chris Paul can.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Then what happened in the NEXT round.......:wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
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:lmao getting teabagged by Khal Drogo
And how many rings does Chris Paul have???????Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Last I checked Chris Paul did lead the Cripples to a championship:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
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Kawhi found a comfy spot on his couch to watch the series :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
The playoffs don't matter, right? Might as well stop after the reg season in 2017, right? We're just here for atta boys and cuddles.Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
The fuck is the matter with you? Shut your goddamn mouth for a change and maybe learn a thing or two, son. Why are you always trying to ice skate up hill?
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Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Last I heard. OKC and Lips have the same amount of rings. :lmao
Dont disagree. Still need to find a #1 scoring threat on the offensive end because Kawhi, for all his many virtues, is not that man now and probably never will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXstbobcat
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