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If he's still there, I'd grab Thon Maker. Indications are that he might fall to the second round, so we might get lucky.
He's a raw 7 footer with guard skills, which seems to be the new way in the NBA. He can shoot and handle, so the key will be getting him to add weight and sharpen up his big man skills and toughness.
He'd take 3-4 years to develop, but if anyone can get the best out of him it's the Spurs.
Who do you like?
No idea. Don't watch college or international basketball.
PG Wayne Baldwin from vandy.
but I really want to get back into the second round. And get Prince Ibeh. The center from Texas.
I like the idea of a Thon Maker but he needs to be either on the D League or he needs to be on the roster. Absolutely no more draft and stash guys. Absolutely hate when we get a guy who is 3 years away or 4 years away and we hope that they'll actually improve by being overseas in a league that isn't even close to NBA talent. Nope, they need to expose themselves to NBA level talent or guys that potentially could play in the NBA
The Spurs should draft the best available talent instead of filling specific needs. That way, they may end up with a Jimmy Butler instead of a Cory Joseph.
Doesn't matter, Spurs will draft and stash a European with 12 vowels in his last name
Damn, that's deep!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaq O'Meal
Sadly this is probably what will happen.. And they'll say he's 3 or 4 years away.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Think tank area there is a lot of discussion on different guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
Patrick McCaw.
It was said RC watched Cojo play a lot personally bc his son playedat the UT with Cojo. It was considered a bit of a reach at the time, but who knows? The way they are they probably don't grab Jimmy Butler either. We probably are lucky we got a good Cojo his last 2 seasons here instead of a foreign stash that would never have come over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaq O'Meal
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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
The Spurs need a 7-footer with C skills.
Haven't really scouted much. Really depends if the Spurs believe they will be free agent players this offseason. If they go domestic for once Deandre Bembry is the only guy that has caught my eye that looks like he is going around our pick. If we go international the only prospect that has caught my eye is Petr Cornelie. Need to look at more of the internation guys, because I think we are going to try to get an international 3 or 2.
Thon Maker has the most raw potential to be something great. Hes 2 years away from being Porzingis. If we get a shot we gotta take it. Sign or trade for a PG.
Skitevillious Marlakovish from the former Yugoslavia
Whatever they do, avoid the draft and stash IMO.. they need to inject some youth into the team
From the rumors I am hearing Spurs are looking at Guards and Big Centers.....
I was thinking Thon Maker before I even clicked the thread. I'm thinking he would be a great steal at 29. I think he's got a lot of room to grow. Very young too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
The team is going to need NBA ready players that can contribute right away since they will be capped out & full off minimum salary guys like Simmons. Thon Maker would make sense for a rebuilding team like the Bucks since Kidd loves lanky players who can handle the rock.:lol
Wooden Woodenovich 7.1 center from Bosna.
If they're having a go at a max FA then anyone who won't come next season or trade the pick.
If they're looking for someone who can play now then Brogdon or GPII seem OK to me. Maybe someone with a bit higher upside slides.
Just for a change I'd like to see us grab and stash a 6'7-6'9 euro guard. Or a 7 foot euro. Even an English big man.
I'd like to trade and pick up a 2nd. Whether by player or our 1St for two 2nd. I don't think the drop off from 25-40 is that much a difference. Good opportunity to pick up some legit role players that can contribuye next year.
Bembrey, Jones, maker. Are all possibilities. In the second there's a couple guys that stand out.
Cat barber would be an ideal Patty replacement who is a much more reliable handler and can flat out score, but liability on defensive end much like Patty.
I really like Michael Gbinije. 24 yr old, but plays like a vet. Defense, handles, play making and leadership. Oh yea, he can shoot too. Would be ecstatic with picking him up. Spursy type of player.
I think there's a good chance spurs bring over bertans or hanga, more likely hanga with his growth this past year. If they're ready, could solve the backup wing issue. Both are athletic and can run . Hangas knock was always his defense or lack of, and ability to consistency shoot. He improved both by strides. If they bring one of two of them, opens up draft and trade possibilities
Thon is Ryan Richards 2.0.
I dont necessarily like him but Cheick Diallo maybe?
Maker or Prince
I just don't see thon maker falling to 29. Some team is going to pick him up before pick 29 due to his potential, regardless of whether it materializes. Young athletic 7 footers with 3 point shooting range don't grow on trees.
Unfortunately, you are right, after Giannis, any player with that kind of bizarre potential will be chosen before the 20Quote:
Originally Posted by rastaspur
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Originally Posted by Mal
Yeah! Or Gorgeous Gorillawitz from Cartoon Network.
https://v.cdn.vine.co/v/avatars/6399...wtEkTUnBIyO1rX
Nice contribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
Ivica Zubac
Ante Zizic
Stephen Zimmerman
Malcolm Brogdan
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I'd shop the pick + Parker
How'd you like Martin this season?Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
Yeah, Thon is dominating guys so much smaller than he is. Hell, at least Richards plays against grown men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzSHS4Yx0DI
I'd like to see him in a spurs jersey, dude is the next chris paul
Some Euro guy they can stash for two years then have Popped chain him to the bench.
Dude is 5'8" no thanks! Westbrook would have a field day on him. And steph would get any shot over him.Quote:
Originally Posted by th3answ3r
he's very smallQuote:
Originally Posted by th3answ3r
Ulis is a great-looking player. I don't think he's going to be able to defend starting guards, but he can be a good as Mills on that end. The Spurs have the defenders to help him out, but if Ulis is a long-term rotation player, they'll definitely need to add another defender to make up for Green getting older.
Whoever is available ....
Either Thon Maker or that C from Louisville.
The Spurs need to draft Dejounte Murray of Washington.
http://www.nbadraft.net/files/player...unteMurray.gif
Height: 6-5
Weight: 170 lbs
Date of Birth: 09/19/1996
School: Washington
DraftExpress
NBADraft.net
NBADraft.net gives him a 94. The only categories below 8 are strength (he's 19 & will get stronger), leadership (he's 19), NBA ready (he's 19) and jump shot (Chip can fix).
In other words all of his weaknesses will go away.
He has the potential to play great D, he can get to the rack (moves are incredible), he can pass like Manu and he's athletic as hell. (See the videos on NBADraft.net for some ungodly fakes.)
He's the prototypical "new" NBA guard that all great teams must now have.
Need to move up to about 14-15 to do it -- just like they did with Kawhi.
Then bring over Bertans.
Malcolm Brogdon for his play and for his off-the-charts leadership skill, which Spurs will really need in a post-Tim, post-Manu world. He was terrific at the combine.
No way Thon Maker falls to 29.
Think Spurs will take a big, not sure which fits.
Remember Luwawu from last years draft, he would be a good prospect but projected as a lotto pick.
Murray looks great! 6'5 with handles and passing ability. His shot is weird and he is skinny. Both those things can be fixed. FYI, draftexpress has him going at #32 in the draft. Looking at his age and physical tools I'd imagine he'll get hyped up and go above the Spurs like Thon Maker will inevitably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ
in all honesty I would draft foreign here. This has to be one of the worst drafts of all time. I would keep parker for another year just to not participate in the draft.
I know! Draft a guy who plays the same position as the guy you took earlier in the draft on the wing (yes, Butler is a SG and Leonard a SF but similar enough) especially when you already have Manu and Dick (plus Green and Neal) manning the wings after having just traded your backup PG.Quote:
Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred
I'd attach Kyle to it and see if I could move up to get a decent PG prospect.
I'd take a chance on Ulis if he drops. If he was 6'2 he'd be a top 3 pick. Guy has the skills and he's a winner. He's small but worth a shot at that point in the draft.
Spurs need a massive upgrade in backcourt quickness asap. After 10 mins of research, I like this cat.http://youtu.be/mErOC3LMhaM
Hi guys, a bit off topic, but this Rio Olympics, Manu will most likely sharing his minutes at SG for Argentina with THIS GUY.
He is right now one of the better prospects in Argentina and will be entering the Draft this year.
Does he have any chance of being drafted?
His data...
http://content.draftexpress.com/gall...1461005492.jpg
Patricio Garino
H: 6' 7"
W: 203 lbs
Bday: 05/17/1993
(23 Years Old)
Current Position: SF
NBA: SG/SF
A video of him here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiOct5qbSq0
Here are a few others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1g7-A3OKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIJblUu0NJM
Prince Ibeh
My pet cat. I feel like he might be too high at 29 for the spurs, and of course we couldn't get him without a trade in the second.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
Would love to have him on the second unit though. Could easily replace Manu as the lead, and can defend multiple positions, shoot, Assist, pick and roll.. high iq. His age is the biggest thing holding him back coming in at 24, wouldn't bother me none.
Tony Parker to the Titans for DeMarco Murray:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeppoPsWIAITiw7.jpg
Draft the best prospect.
The odds of finding someone who will contribute in the next two years is extremely low.
Last year only 18 draft picks had over 800 minutes played (10 minutes a game for 80) and only 2 of those where taken after 25.
The draft before only 21 players have hit 1600 minutes. At present probably only two real late first second round steals- Clarkson and Jokic.
24 next December. Once upon a time the league was built on such old geezer rookies. Back then a guy played until his early thirties at most. Current obsession with extreme youth seems misguided to me. I hope we get Malcolm. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by Mnky
I really like what I've seen of Zizic. Granted I've only seen about 3 minutes of youtube highlights, but he checks a few of the boxes I'm looking for: size, motor, pick n roll ability.
Let's see if Maker's stock changes with the workouts: "Once considered a potentially transcendent prospect, mostly by uninformed voices based on his Youtube highlight reels, Maker's draft stock has never really gotten off the ground in the eyes of NBA scouts as he has struggled to separate himself in many of the events he's been seen at.
Besides Portland last year, the last exposure NBA scouts have gotten to Maker came in Toronto at the NBA Basketball Without Borders Global Camp during All-Star Weekend, which we attended alongside numerous scouts and executives. Maker had a better showing there, but still did not dominate the event the way some may have expected considering he was the oldest player in attendance.
Still, Maker is very highly regarded by the high school recruiting services, as he's ranked as a top five prospect in the loaded 2016 class by Scout.com His competitiveness, physicality and intensity level are impressive for a 7-footer with a 9'3 standing reach, and the fact that he's been able to add some bulk to his upper body and can knock down an open 3-pointer at times bodes well for his role-playing potential. So will his work ethic and strong character. Still, his lack of offensive polish, pencil thin legs, average feel for the game and explosiveness suggest that may be the extent of his long-term upside. And considering how big the jump is from high school basketball to the NBA, it will likely take years to achieve that, which some teams may feel is not worth the time or effort it will require.
Definitely Bembre
jimmer ferdette's corpse could have been the unanimous POY in the NCAA this year. DRAFT NO ONE
Daniel Uchefu!
Or he could be the next Kevin Garnett. The kid is 18 years old, he has a lot of growing and learning to do before he will contribute to an NBA team. However the Spurs are the perfect team for him to learn on, especially if Timmy stays on with the organization as a coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I've seen some film on him, he has decent ball skills for his age. If he were available I'd hope the Spurs would take him. I really like his upside.
Can we draft Jimmer?
Just get us an athlete we can mold. But no more slow brainy fucks
I've looked at 4 mocks and Maker falls between 25-40. We never thought SloMo would fall that far either.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
Mocks change drastically between now and the actual draft. I wanted the Spurs to draft Justin Anderson with the 29th pick and for most of mocks he was projected as a 31-45 pick, he wound up going to Dallas with the 21st pick. I also want connaughton with the 58th pick and he was projected to go undrafted by several mocks up until about two weeks head of the draft, he wound up going 41st.Quote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
I don't see him dropping that low especially with a couple teams have multiple 1st rounder that draft ahead of us.
He looks so good because he's legitimately a foot taller than his competition. I'm not saying he's going to suck, but his vids aren't that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vito Corleone
The issue with Richards is that he seemed to have no drive until it looked legitimately like he might have missed his shot and even then his attitude appeared questionable.
My thinking is that the draft and stash routine has only been a subterfuge to avoid an American player they would have to pay. Saves a lot of money for a draft pick in the bottom of the draft that would have a 90% chance of being a failure anyway.
I can't recall ANY draft and stash that has actually been successful in returning to the Spurs as a regular player. Scola wasn't a draft and stash. They would have brought him over immediately if the contract difficulties and money could have been worked out. Ultimately, he was never a Spur.
Spur fans get all emotionally involved in some guy that has some bb skills but isn't ready to play in the NBA--and then it turns out they will never play in the NBA.
Draft thursday
Mmmmm. Thanks fir the bump. Are we going to move up and make a splash, or more of the same?
I'm ALL IN for Gary Payton II. Don't be too thrown off by mocks having him in the back half of the second round. Hill was a second round forecast on DX that wasn't in mocks until June of that year, never higher than 41. Larry Nance Jr was wasn't even in DX mocks until mid June and then as an end of second rounder, he went first round.
Payton will be perfect, and is more point guard ready than Hill was.
He's knocked for defensive consistency but despite that was still the 2 time PAC 12 defensive player of the year. A slashing, finishing guard with a better than 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio? A guy who averaged more steals than turnovers? An unselfish guard who is happy to move the ball early rather than pound and pound?
A tremendous rebounder, plays strong, plays tough, ruins teams in transition. I love him. Shot is weak but if he could just get to average with Chip's help, he's going to be damn effective. Not a pure passer, but he can pass from the pick and roll just fine.
Put him out there with Kawhi and Green and the defense will be punishing.
He's an older player, but I like that with him. The Spurs will get likely get his best years very cheaply. Who could be happy with another Joseph situation, where the Spurs pour years and money and effort into developing him only to not be able to afford him once the light comes on.
He is my number one target. He could make a similar impact to Hill's rookie year but I think even better, because Hill was even less prepared with regard to point duties and competition step up with his joke conference compared to the PAC 12
I'd trade #29 to Boston for #31 & #45. Boston gets down to 7 picks and gets the first round salary structure.
#31 Zhou Qi
#45 Fred Van Vleet.
I take it Van Vleet is the guy you mentioned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drom John
I'd package the #29 pick with our fat starting PG for a late 2nd rounder tbh.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drom John
I'm a fan of Pelton's WARP projections of how would a draftee play in the NBA next year.
Van Vleet was Pelton's #1 when he only included NCAA players. Then Pelton said:
Van Vleet dropped to #3 after Pelton added the International players.Quote:
9). Fred VanVleet
Wichita State Point guard Big Board: No. 62 Stats: No. 1
Consensus: 1.8 WARP
Despite the stereotype that statistical projections hurt experienced prospects, it's VanVleet and not any of the promising freshmen who comes out best by WARP. He ranks in the top 25 percent of NBA-bound point guards in six categories: free throw rate, rebounding, assists, steals, turnover rate and avoiding fouls. Yet there's only one number that seems to matter to NBA scouts when it comes to VanVleet: his 5-foot-11 height. That's why Ford doesn't even have him being taken if everyone ahead of him were to enter the draft.
Zhou is #1 [with the "what is his real age" caveat] yet projects into the late first, early second rounds.
Bender is #2 and will be long gone.
Pelton top 27 mocked to the Spurs.
#1 Zhou
#4 Hernangomez
#7 Zizec
#8 Zubac
#9 Payton
#10 McCaw
#12 Baldwin
#14 Ulis
#17 Stone
#18 Onuaku
#24 Yabusele
#25 Zimmerman
#27 Diallo
Top #27 not mocked to the Spurs, nor earlier
#3 Van Vleet
#13 Warney
#16 Baker
#26 Paige
I have seen Van Vleet occasionally in the mid-40s to end of draft.
I love the stats but where does he fit? I didn't see a lot of Wichita State this year to get a good impression of what he brings to the Spurs and what they're trying to do. Spurs need a PG who can light it up occasionally to keep guys like Steph, Westbrook workingQuote:
Originally Posted by Drom John
I was hoping someone else would mention him. He's a great shot blocker and developed some low post moves this past year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Empty
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Originally Posted by wildbill2u
Tiago Splitter.....
Sounds intriguing. And he has the DNA to be great. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Couldn't be happier!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ
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Holy shit, good call dog!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ
Don't follow NCAA at all, so I could never make that call.
Spurs were lucky as fuck that this guy fell to 29.
Great call, mate. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Russ
Good call
Best part is that the Spurs didn't need to move up for him.
The fucking Oracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ
Wow it seems the Spurs were reading this thread =PQuote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
Nice calls by Russ and kaji :tu
Nice call, but this is a fa camp invite so not exactly a first round talent. If you called garino for second pick (we didn't have one this year) then you'd be on point
+1 Well done guys. :flag:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas