Dennis Rodman is a stupid, stupid asshole

I just downloaded a copy of game 2 of the 95 WCF, and this moron jacked-up three three-pointers in the first quarter alone. What a dumbass. First one the Spurs are on a fast break and Rodman just throws that crap up, second there's 5 seconds left on the shot clock so what does he do? Shoot a three from the baseline with Olajuwon contesting his shot. Then, near the end of the quarter the Spurs get a rare offensive board and he jacks up another not even close piece of crap from 2 feet outside the line at the top of the circle. I forgot just how much of a liability this idiot was.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

I just downloaded a copy of game 2 of the 95 WCF, and this moron jacked-up three three-pointers in the first quarter alone. What a dumbass. First one the Spurs are on a fast break and Rodman just throws that crap up, second there's 5 seconds left on the shot clock so what does he do? Shoot a three from the baseline with Olajuwon contesting his shot. Then, near the end of the quarter the Spurs get a rare offensive board and he jacks up another not even close piece of crap from 2 feet outside the line at the top of the circle. I forgot just how much of a liability this idiot was.

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Dude, they showed that game on NBA classics, and I had hte same reaction. Remember at the start of the 3rd when they show his season total 3pt fg's and his GAME's total 3pt fg's???? He jacked up 2 more than he did ALL SEASON

The spurs could have won that game too. I think he was on the take.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

I just downloaded a copy of game 2 of the 95 WCF, and this moron jacked-up three three-pointers in the first quarter alone. What a dumbass. First one the Spurs are on a fast break and Rodman just throws that crap up, second there's 5 seconds left on the shot clock so what does he do? Shoot a three from the baseline with Olajuwon contesting his shot. Then, near the end of the quarter the Spurs get a rare offensive board and he jacks up another not even close piece of crap from 2 feet outside the line at the top of the circle. I forgot just how much of a liability this idiot was.

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I have NEVER forgotten that weak Rodman crap. Remember that season? I believe the Spurs went on their normal April run and won 16 or so in a row. Rodman was injured in a motorcycle accident and did not play in any of those games. When questioned, Rodman said he did that on purpose to let the team know they could win without him...What a jerk!

Yeah... 2 three pointers all season, 3 in the first quarter.

I remember that, in 1995, the blackout rules didn't allow any local broadcasts and that the Spurs games were on locally only by pay per view. That lasted through the first 2 games of the WCF. I didn't have tickets to Game 2, so I strapped on my Walkman and went out to listen as I mowed the lawn. I knew things were bad when Jay Howard ran out of explanations for Rodman's decision-making and was just short of cursing on the radio. That lawn looked like crap, because everytime the Rockets would overcome a Spurs run and push the lead out a bit, I kept thinking back to Rodman's 3's in the 1st Quarter.

Clearly, Rodman didn't single-handedly lose that game for the Spurs, but giving away possessions with those 3's didn't help.

I do remember Rodman bailing the spurs out of the first round when DRob went something like 2-27 from the field.

Rodman is the most overrated player in spurs history period.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I remember that, in 1995, the blackout rules didn't allow any local broadcasts and that the Spurs games were on locally only by pay per view. That lasted through the first 2 games of the WCF. I didn't have tickets to Game 2, so I strapped on my Walkman and went out to listen as I mowed the lawn. I knew things were bad when Jay Howard ran out of explanations for Rodman's decision-making and was just short of cursing on the radio. That lawn looked like crap, because everytime the Rockets would overcome a Spurs run and push the lead out a bit, I kept thinking back to Rodman's 3's in the 1st Quarter.

Clearly, Rodman didn't single-handedly lose that game for the Spurs, but giving away possessions with those 3's didn't help.

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Yeah... that was a great investment of $50 back then. Fuck you, Rogers Cable. I was in shock when I moved to Houston and found out they actually televised home games for free there instead of charging $30 a pop like fucking Rogers and Paragon.

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Originally Posted by 2centsworth

I do remember Rodman bailing the spurs out of the first round when DRob went something like 2-27 from the field.

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I don't have the exact numbers (but will get them before the end of today), but I have some serious doubts about that recollection. Rodman was good in the First Round series against Denver that year -- he had at least a couple of double-doubles and (I think) had a 20 point game.

I'll check and get back to you.

I was more annoyed about Rodman hanging out under the basket looking for rebounds while Robert Horry hit uncontested jump shots.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I don't have the exact numbers (but will get them before the end of today), but I have some serious doubts about that recollection. Rodman was good in the First Round series against Denver that year -- he had at least a couple of double-doubles and (I think) had a 20 point game.

I'll check and get back to you.

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Just want a little balance in the conversation. Rodman was destructive, but I think Elliott's missed free-throws cost the spurs the Houston Series more than anything else.

Plus, it was glaring that DRob lacked a reliable inside post game.

Also, it didn't help that Bob Hill never stressed defense.

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Originally Posted by 2centsworth

I do remember Rodman bailing the spurs out of the first round when DRob went something like 2-27 from the field.

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The Spurs won the first round 3-0 against the Nuggets. They didn't exactly need bailing out. Besides, anything good he did was pretty much erased when he hurt the team when they most needed him.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

The Spurs won the first round 3-0 against the Nuggets. They didn't exactly need bailing out. Besides, anything good he did was pretty much erased when he hurt the team when they most needed him.

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We can blame everyone in the world, but IMO with as great as DRob was the spurs don't win anything without TIMMY.

You sir need a life.

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I just downloaded a copy of game 2 of the 95 WCF, and this moron jacked-up three three-pointers in the first quarter alone. What a dumbass. First one the Spurs are on a fast break and Rodman just throws that crap up, second there's 5 seconds left on the shot clock so what does he do? Shoot a three from the baseline with Olajuwon contesting his shot. Then, near the end of the quarter the Spurs get a rare offensive board and he jacks up another not even close piece of crap from 2 feet outside the line at the top of the circle. I forgot just how much of a liability this idiot was.

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You sir need a life.

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Baseline, that was 10 years ago for God's sake.

Let it go already.

another classic DRob hater.

"Rodman bailed Robinson out"

That is the biggest BS line I think I've EVER seen.

I lost faith in the wurm when he put that crap thru his lips.. (piercing)...

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Originally Posted by T Park

another classic DRob hater.

"Rodman bailed Robinson out"

That is the biggest BS line I think I've EVER seen.

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Far from being a Drob hater. I don't have blinders on either. Just like Horry bailed out Duncan in game 5 against detroit.

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don't have blinders on either

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Ohh noooooo.

The perfect fan, hate on the best player in the franchise's history.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Ohh noooooo.

The perfect fan, hate on the best player in the franchise's history.

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not hate, it's the truth. BTW, Timmy is the best. Big Dave maybe the best human being ever to play in the NBA and a top 10 center of all time.

but you have all the answers so whatever you say.

David looked like crap in that game too... but I guess Rosen's critique of David really pissed me off, when he was going off on how valuable Rodman was and how Robinson was such a disappointment to Rodman. Say what you want about David, but I've never seen him make the I don't give a fuck plays Rodman did. I loved the way Rodman wouldn't pick up Horry on the break also.

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but I've never seen him make the I don't give a fuck plays Rodman did. I loved the way Rodman wouldn't pick up Horry on the break also.

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But Rodman played fantastic against a 1 legged PF in the first round and should be excused from any further critique, and all blame should be put on Robinson.

Duh.

http://www.buddycom.com/fan/rodman/rodmansm.jpg
does this make him a stupid asshole too?

http://kenthorner.com/tear_sheets/dennis1_resize.jpg

Ehhh..I'm over it.

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Originally Posted by T Park

Rodman is the most overrated player in spurs history period.

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Wow. You consider him overrated. There are few people who can rebound like Rodman and he also plays defense.

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Originally Posted by 2centsworth

I do remember Rodman bailing the spurs out of the first round when DRob went something like 2-27 from the field.

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In the First Round in 1995, David Robinson was 21-49 FG and 15-20 FT, for 57 points (19.0 ppg). He had a high game of 24 (Game 3). Big Dave averaged 6.7 rebounds per game in that series.

The Rod-Man averaged 10.0 ppg and 13.3 rpg.

In Dave's worst game of that series (Game 1) Robinson had 14 points; Rodman had 3 points (on 1-6 shooting).

In Game 2, Dave bounced back with 19 points; Rodman also had 19 points.

In Game 3, Dave dropped 24; Rodman had 8 points.

David wasn't great in that series, and Rodman's scoring numbers went up and his rebounding (11, 16, 13) was pretty consistent.

What's striking about the numbers from that series, though is the other role players. Elliott averaged 19 ppg on 54% shooting. Avery averaged 17.7 ppg on 62% shooting. And Del Negro averaged 11 ppg on 48% shooting. I can't remember the last time the Spurs went through a playoff series (any playoff series) with all 5 starters averaging double figures for the series. (at least I don't think I can remember. . . . .)

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Originally Posted by 2centsworth

Far from being a Drob hater. I don't have blinders on either. Just like Horry bailed out Duncan in game 5 against detroit.

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I like how a guy scoring 26 points and grabbing 19 rebounds needed to be bailed out in a game, especially when he kept his team in contention throughout the first 3 quarters when the other teammates played like crap.

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There are few people who can rebound like Rodman and he also plays defense.

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He rebounded because thats all the freak show could do.

Period.

He made up for his deficiancies in other areas by busting his ass and rebounding.


Ben Wallace is pretty much Rodman, I just have more respect for Wallace cause he has half a brain, and hell take the ball to the hole, and has a decent hook shot.

ROdman had ZERO offensive game.

He pretty much was Worse than Bruce Bowen on offense.

The defense??

Funny, everytime I saw him play D, it was against Malone, Horry, and Elden Cambell.

He was a decent defender, who got defensive player of the year awards cause of his defensive rebounding.


The guy was a traveling freak show, who focused JUST on rebounding.


I have more respect for more rounded players, than 1 sided players like that dumbfuck.

Oh.. this is when David Robinson was the Spokesperson for Charmin.

He did get some points off of rebounds. That so called overrated player won 5 championships in his career.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Oh.. this is when David Robinson was the Spokesperson for Charmin.

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David was never soft... this is a joke right? .. i'm holding my finger on the flame thrower...

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Originally Posted by Vashner

David was never soft... this is a joke right? .. i'm holding my finger on the flame thrower...

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He's talking shit to increase his post count, since he has nothing constructive to add much of the time.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

He's talking shit to increase his post count, since he has nothing constructive to add much of the time.

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Post count? I didn't label Robinson as soft. Hakeem planted it right on his forehead and kicked his ass right out of the building.

Now that's constructive.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

Post count? I didn't label Robinson as soft. Hakeem planted it right on his forehead and kicked his ass right out of the building.

Now that's constructive.

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So just because Hakeem was the better player in the series that suddenly makes Robinson soft? Bullshit. You don't believe that any more than all the other stupid antagonistic shit you've been tacking onto threads.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

So just because Hakeem was the better player in the series that suddenly makes Robinson soft? Bullshit. You don't believe that any more than all the other stupid antagonistic shit you've been tacking onto threads.

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You must be one of those chalk up the regular season wins kind of fan.

I don't think Robinson was all that soft, but he definitely didn't have the balls to carry a team on his back and win a championship.

But hey, he built up the stats, he was a great community guy and he is a hall of famer.

:smokin

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

You must be one of those chalk up the regular season wins kind of fan.

I don't think Robinson was all that soft, but he definitely didn't have the balls to carry a team on his back and win a championship.

But hey, he built up the stats, he was a great community guy and he is a hall of famer.

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You must be one of those smoking crack and having multiple personalities kind of fan, since you say "I don't think Robinson was all that soft" following "David Robinson was the Spokesperson for Charmin".

I agree completely that he didn't have the fire or the drive to carry the team the way champions do, and he proved it time and time again. Only a moron would try to argue that IMHO. That doesn't, however, make him soft. Hakeem played great, and Robinson was telling the truth when he said that he thought his defense was pretty good. Robinson never avoided contact or pretended to be hurt or complained about anything through his career. The same cannot be said of Hakeem.

Since you already know all this, you can fess up to the fact that the Charmin statement was simply intended to piss people off, and forgive me for letting Vashner in on the joke.

God, Horry was a fucking assassin that game. David was phenomenal in the 4th quarter, but the team refused to guard the three point line.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

In the First Round in 1995, David Robinson was 21-49 FG and 15-20 FT, for 57 points (19.0 ppg). He had a high game of 24 (Game 3). Big Dave averaged 6.7 rebounds per game in that series.

The Rod-Man averaged 10.0 ppg and 13.3 rpg.

In Dave's worst game of that series (Game 1) Robinson had 14 points; Rodman had 3 points (on 1-6 shooting).

In Game 2, Dave bounced back with 19 points; Rodman also had 19 points.

In Game 3, Dave dropped 24; Rodman had 8 points.

David wasn't great in that series, and Rodman's scoring numbers went up and his rebounding (11, 16, 13) was pretty consistent.

What's striking about the numbers from that series, though is the other role players. Elliott averaged 19 ppg on 54% shooting. Avery averaged 17.7 ppg on 62% shooting. And Del Negro averaged 11 ppg on 48% shooting. I can't remember the last time the Spurs went through a playoff series (any playoff series) with all 5 starters averaging double figures for the series. (at least I don't think I can remember. . . . .)

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Do you have these box scores? Can you provide a link?

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Originally Posted by ambchang

I like how a guy scoring 26 points and grabbing 19 rebounds needed to be bailed out in a game, especially when he kept his team in contention throughout the first 3 quarters when the other teammates played like crap.

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Wrong, Ginobili and Bowen were having good games. Even Parker was solid in the first half. Horry was the reason the Spurs weren't up double digits by halftime when he missed about 3 easy layups.

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Originally Posted by Nikos

Do you have these box scores? Can you provide a link?

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I've looked and can't find them on the internet anymore.

All I have are hard copies from the newspaper.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

I agree completely that he didn't have the fire or the drive to carry the team the way champions do, and he proved it time and time again. Only a moron would try to argue that IMHO. That doesn't, however, make him soft. Hakeem played great, and Robinson was telling the truth when he said that he thought his defense was pretty good. Robinson never avoided contact or pretended to be hurt or complained about anything through his career. The same cannot be said of Hakeem.

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So he's soft.

and youve done what Sequ??? thats right, STFU.

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That so called overrated player won 5 championships in his career

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He coatailed Isaih and Jordan for all 5 lol, what EXACTLY is your point.

Hes got 5 rings so that makes him great??

Give me a break.

Jack Haley has 3 rings, does that make him as good as Tim Duncan?

I guess role players aren't needed than. He was a big part of the bulls winning 72 games in my opinion. The bulls might've been champions that year without Rodman but with him were unbelievabull. Rodman was even a bigger part of that Pistons team guarding Jordan and rebounding at an incredible mark.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

So he's soft.

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Hakeem? Yes, I agree.

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Originally Posted by Nikos

Wrong, Ginobili and Bowen were having good games. Even Parker was solid in the first half. Horry was the reason the Spurs weren't up double digits by halftime when he missed about 3 easy layups.

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The score was tied at halftime. Even if Horry made all 3 layups, the Spurs would be up by 6. Besides, Ginobili and Bowen did not carry the offense, it was Duncan who really turned up a notch in that game and kept the Spurs close.

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The bulls might've been champions that year

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Their starting center was freakin Luc Longley.

Does that tell you something???

It told me that Rodman had to make up for Longley's weaknesses. Like you mentioned before Rodman is like Ben Wallace and see how Detroit does without Ben Wallace. Rodman gave Chicago lots of extra possessions for Jordan to do his thing. That is more valuable than anything for a superstar to have players that do that.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I've looked and can't find them on the internet anymore.

All I have are hard copies from the newspaper.

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Post all of them, NOW.

Please ;)

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Originally Posted by ambchang

The score was tied at halftime. Even if Horry made all 3 layups, the Spurs would be up by 6. Besides, Ginobili and Bowen did not carry the offense, it was Duncan who really turned up a notch in that game and kept the Spurs close.

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Momentum was lost. It wasn't merely 6 points, those misses also started the Pistons fastbreak when they were having trouble scoring.

No Ginobili and Bowen didn't have GREAT games. But they certainly weren't bad. Ginobili had 9 assists, I doubt he was doing 'nothing'.

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Originally Posted by Nikos

Post all of them, NOW.

Please ;)

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I wouldn't have any idea where to begin.

I think an important question is missing from this discussion...

Where did you download this game and are there more?

whered you download the game from

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Originally Posted by Nikos

Momentum was lost. It wasn't merely 6 points, those misses also started the Pistons fastbreak when they were having trouble scoring.

No Ginobili and Bowen didn't have GREAT games. But they certainly weren't bad. Ginobili had 9 assists, I doubt he was doing 'nothing'.

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All subjective. Point is, Duncan was having a great game, and the Spurs were still only tied at halftime. Perhaps doing 'nothing' was exaggerating the situation, but there was no question that Duncan was the one that put the whole Spurs on his shoulder and kept them in the game before Horry went off.
BTW, Ginobili played quite poorly (by his standards) that game offensively, shooting only 5/16 for the game. Parker had 6 TO in the game, and Duncan, other than the missed FTs (which happened in the 4th quarter), had a superb game.

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Originally Posted by ambchang

All subjective. Point is, Duncan was having a great game, and the Spurs were still only tied at halftime. Perhaps doing 'nothing' was exaggerating the situation, but there was no question that Duncan was the one that put the whole Spurs on his shoulder and kept them in the game before Horry went off.
BTW, Ginobili played quite poorly (by his standards) that game offensively, shooting only 5/16 for the game. Parker had 6 TO in the game, and Duncan, other than the missed FTs (which happened in the 4th quarter), had a superb game.

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Ginobili played a reasonable game. 5/16, but he missed some chippies, and getting 9 asts and 2 Tos is not exactly the statline of someone who is doing 'nothing'. Bowen actually contributed on offense too. Yes Duncan carried the bulk of the load in the second half, but Ginobili set up Horry plenty of times as well. It wasn't exactly Duncan doing everything and all the role players doing nothing. Billups was pretty much the only Piston dominating, the rest of their role players were hardly any better than the Spurs. So I think it is an exaggeration to say the Spurs role players did NOTHING.

All I know is Dennis has 5 rings. Blame Robinson and the ownership for the lack of not winning anything during that time period.

I remember watching that game at Coyotes.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

All I know is Dennis has 5 rings. Blame Robinson and the ownership for the lack of not winning anything during that time period.

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Yes, let's compare whoever's got more rings and allocate the blame to the ones who won fewer rings, because we have obviously not watched the game.

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Originally Posted by Nikos

Ginobili played a reasonable game. 5/16, but he missed some chippies, and getting 9 asts and 2 Tos is not exactly the statline of someone who is doing 'nothing'. Bowen actually contributed on offense too. Yes Duncan carried the bulk of the load in the second half, but Ginobili set up Horry plenty of times as well. It wasn't exactly Duncan doing everything and all the role players doing nothing. Billups was pretty much the only Piston dominating, the rest of their role players were hardly any better than the Spurs. So I think it is an exaggeration to say the Spurs role players did NOTHING.

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which is what I said ....
but saying that Duncan was bailed out was just insane.

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Originally Posted by SequSpur

All I know is Dennis has 5 rings. Blame Robinson and the ownership for the lack of not winning anything during that time period.

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I have always thought that the Spurs failure in 1995 was partly on Rodman, partly on Robinson, and mostly on the management style. Had management not been so, um, militaristic with Rodman, things may have been a bit different. That team had three top-tier players and should have won that title. Robinson excelled because Rodman took pressure off of him in some situations; when Rodman lost interest (in part, I think, because of the way he was handled) things got very difficult for David, and unfortunately, he didn't really rise to meet the challenge. Not all on David and not all on Rodman.

I do think, though, that the Rodman experiement (which Pop inherited in the summer of 1994) has shaped the manner in which Popovich has built this franchise. The idea that the Spurs are nothing but choir boys is something of a myth; but the notion of building a team fill with character guys who understand and respect authority isn't. Pop won't allow another Rodman-type in here, ever.