NBA: Jeremy Lin Suddenly Looks Like A Fit For Spurs

The fact that we consider Lin as an Option shows us how fucked up we are with Tony starting.

That contract will come down as one of the worst contracts of the Spurs Big 3 era.

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Originally Posted by kaji157

The fact that we consider Lin as an Option shows us how fucked up we are with Tony starting.

That contract will come down as one of the worst contracts of the Spurs Big 3 era.

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For short-sighted people and ungrateful "fans", yes. For the rest of us, we realize that contract was retroactively rewarding Tony for his underpaid contributions to FOUR championships.

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Originally Posted by Keepin' it real

For short-sighted people and ungrateful "fans", yes. For the rest of us, we realize that contract was retroactively rewarding Tony for his underpaid contributions to FOUR championships.

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Tony was never THAT underpaid. Just compare his earnings to Manu and TIM in similar years and divide it for either winshares or per or what you want.

For example:

Tim Duncan: Total career earnings 235 millions, years, 19, average salary 12.37 millions, career win shares per 48 .2019 (13 all time) Total Win Shares 206.4. (6th all time) Win Cost (total earnings divided by total wins) 1,14 millions.

Manu Ginobili: Total career earnings 108.5 millions, years, 14, average salary 7.75 millions, career win shares per 48 .2002 (21 all time) Total Win Shares 101.2. (71 all time) Win Cost 1,07 millions.

Tony Parker (AS OF NOW): Total career earnings 130.9 millions, years, 15, average salary 8.72 millions, career win shares per 48 .1469 (118 all time) Total Win Shares 105.29. (67 all time) Win Cost 1,27 millions.

So as of now Tony has been the best paid of the 3 by production, without considering the next 2 years, now, heres what will look like assuming tony doesnt decline one bit, givig him 5 more win shares (average for his last 2 years) per year.

Tony Would be payed this way.

Total career earnings 161 millions, years, 16, average salary 10.06 millions, career win shares per 48 -cannot be calculated- Total Win Shares 110.29 Win Cost 1,45 millions.

So, finally, my point is, he was not UNDERPAID, compared to neither Manu or Tim and what they brought, as of now, neither overpaid. IF HIS CONTRACT EXPIRED NOW. These two years will put him with an average salary 30% more expensive than Manu, and also his "wins" will be the most expensive of the 3 (evendoe they already are, but by a normal margin.

By the analisys you can either agree that he was well paid, or a bit overpaid, depending on where you put him compared to Tim and compared to Manu, but what cannot be said, is that he was UNDERpaid, compared to the two.

PD: Stats data taken from Basketball-reference.com and contract Data from Spotrac.com.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

I'd hate to call it an upgrade, tbh.

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Truer words never typed on this site.

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Originally Posted by myhc

HE'S AZIAN!!! ASIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY SUCK AT DRIVING. I SEE A CAREER IN THE FRONT OFFICE AS AN ANALYTICS DUDE AFTER HE RETIRES BECAUSE HE SHOULD ROCK IN MATH.

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Lol. Damn.

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Originally Posted by myhc

HE'S AZIAN!!! ASIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY SUCK AT DRIVING. I SEE A CAREER IN THE FRONT OFFICE AS AN ANALYTICS DUDE AFTER HE RETIRES BECAUSE HE SHOULD ROCK IN MATH.

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:rollin

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Originally Posted by kaji157

Tony was never THAT underpaid. Just compare his earnings to Manu and TIM in similar years and divide it for either winshares or per or what you want.

For example:

Tim Duncan: Total career earnings 235 millions, years, 19, average salary 12.37 millions, career win shares per 48 .2019 (13 all time) Total Win Shares 206.4. (6th all time) Win Cost (total earnings divided by total wins) 1,14 millions.

Manu Ginobili: Total career earnings 108.5 millions, years, 14, average salary 7.75 millions, career win shares per 48 .2002 (21 all time) Total Win Shares 101.2. (71 all time) Win Cost 1,07 millions.

Tony Parker (AS OF NOW): Total career earnings 130.9 millions, years, 15, average salary 8.72 millions, career win shares per 48 .1469 (118 all time) Total Win Shares 105.29. (67 all time) Win Cost 1,27 millions.

So as of now Tony has been the best paid of the 3 by production, without considering the next 2 years, now, heres what will look like assuming tony doesnt decline one bit, givig him 5 more win shares (average for his last 2 years) per year.

Tony Would be payed this way.

Total career earnings 161 millions, years, 16, average salary 10.06 millions, career win shares per 48 -cannot be calculated- Total Win Shares 110.29 Win Cost 1,45 millions.

So, finally, my point is, he was not UNDERPAID, compared to neither Manu or Tim and what they brought, as of now, neither overpaid. IF HIS CONTRACT EXPIRED NOW. These two years will put him with an average salary 30% more expensive than Manu, and also his "wins" will be the most expensive of the 3 (evendoe they already are, but by a normal margin.

By the analisys you can either agree that he was well paid, or a bit overpaid, depending on where you put him compared to Tim and compared to Manu, but what cannot be said, is that he was UNDERpaid, compared to the two.

PD: Stats data taken from Basketball-reference.com and contract Data from Spotrac.com.

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it sucks you had to do all this work and can't do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by K...

it sucks you had to do all this work and can't do anything about it.

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Savage.

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Originally Posted by kaji157

Tony was never THAT underpaid. Just compare his earnings to Manu and TIM in similar years and divide it for either winshares or per or what you want.

For example:

Tim Duncan: Total career earnings 235 millions, years, 19, average salary 12.37 millions, career win shares per 48 .2019 (13 all time) Total Win Shares 206.4. (6th all time) Win Cost (total earnings divided by total wins) 1,14 millions.

Manu Ginobili: Total career earnings 108.5 millions, years, 14, average salary 7.75 millions, career win shares per 48 .2002 (21 all time) Total Win Shares 101.2. (71 all time) Win Cost 1,07 millions.

Tony Parker (AS OF NOW): Total career earnings 130.9 millions, years, 15, average salary 8.72 millions, career win shares per 48 .1469 (118 all time) Total Win Shares 105.29. (67 all time) Win Cost 1,27 millions.

So as of now Tony has been the best paid of the 3 by production, without considering the next 2 years, now, heres what will look like assuming tony doesnt decline one bit, givig him 5 more win shares (average for his last 2 years) per year.

Tony Would be payed this way.

Total career earnings 161 millions, years, 16, average salary 10.06 millions, career win shares per 48 -cannot be calculated- Total Win Shares 110.29 Win Cost 1,45 millions.

So, finally, my point is, he was not UNDERPAID, compared to neither Manu or Tim and what they brought, as of now, neither overpaid. IF HIS CONTRACT EXPIRED NOW. These two years will put him with an average salary 30% more expensive than Manu, and also his "wins" will be the most expensive of the 3 (evendoe they already are, but by a normal margin.

By the analisys you can either agree that he was well paid, or a bit overpaid, depending on where you put him compared to Tim and compared to Manu, but what cannot be said, is that he was UNDERpaid, compared to the two.

PD: Stats data taken from Basketball-reference.com and contract Data from Spotrac.com.

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Whoa. Perspective.

I'd rather have Jimmer or Alfrederic Hughes back.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

I'd rather have Jimmer or Alfrederic Hughes back.

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Jimmer's not even good to have on the bench since he does his own thing when he's got the ball in his hands.
Might as well have Danny Green drive the ball over and over.

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Originally Posted by kaji157

Tony was never THAT underpaid. Just compare his earnings to Manu and TIM in similar years and divide it for either winshares or per or what you want.

For example:

Tim Duncan: Total career earnings 235 millions, years, 19, average salary 12.37 millions, career win shares per 48 .2019 (13 all time) Total Win Shares 206.4. (6th all time) Win Cost (total earnings divided by total wins) 1,14 millions.

Manu Ginobili: Total career earnings 108.5 millions, years, 14, average salary 7.75 millions, career win shares per 48 .2002 (21 all time) Total Win Shares 101.2. (71 all time) Win Cost 1,07 millions.

Tony Parker (AS OF NOW): Total career earnings 130.9 millions, years, 15, average salary 8.72 millions, career win shares per 48 .1469 (118 all time) Total Win Shares 105.29. (67 all time) Win Cost 1,27 millions.

So as of now Tony has been the best paid of the 3 by production, without considering the next 2 years, now, heres what will look like assuming tony doesnt decline one bit, givig him 5 more win shares (average for his last 2 years) per year.

Tony Would be payed this way.

Total career earnings 161 millions, years, 16, average salary 10.06 millions, career win shares per 48 -cannot be calculated- Total Win Shares 110.29 Win Cost 1,45 millions.

So, finally, my point is, he was not UNDERPAID, compared to neither Manu or Tim and what they brought, as of now, neither overpaid. IF HIS CONTRACT EXPIRED NOW. These two years will put him with an average salary 30% more expensive than Manu, and also his "wins" will be the most expensive of the 3 (evendoe they already are, but by a normal margin.

By the analisys you can either agree that he was well paid, or a bit overpaid, depending on where you put him compared to Tim and compared to Manu, but what cannot be said, is that he was UNDERpaid, compared to the two.

PD: Stats data taken from Basketball-reference.com and contract Data from Spotrac.com.

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what's the point of comparing tony to the two most under-paid stars of modern basketball?... compare him over his career to the rest of the league's top play-makers and he's underpaid by a country mile

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Originally Posted by kaji157

Tony was never THAT underpaid. Just compare his earnings to Manu and TIM in similar years and divide it for either winshares or per or what you want. ...

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Thanks for researching, but determining if a player is overpaid/underpaid should be based on market value for his position, not on a team's comparative win shares. Does any team determine salaries this way?

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

I'd rather have Jimmer or Alfrederic Hughes back.

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Dimmer is a diva.:lol

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Originally Posted by Keepin' it real

Thanks for researching, but determining if a player is overpaid/underpaid should be based on market value for his position, not on a team's comparative win shares. Does any team determine salaries this way?

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Not the point of my post, the point was that many here think that Tony´s contract was on the line of what Tim and Manu were also given and i am just pointing that this is not the case.

Tim and Manu DID give up a lot of money for the team,with this contract that is not true for Tony anymore, he´ll be over Manu and Tim in terms of production/importance for the team.

Of course i am not saying Tony has been overpaid because it´s not the case, just that the team never gave that "compensation contract" to Duncan not Ginobili, and they are not complaining.

So much for the "sacrifice" argument.

Nets gave him 36/3

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Originally Posted by Mal

Nets gave him 36/3

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That's actually considerably less than I thought he'd get (especially from a non-contender).

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Originally Posted by Mal

Nets gave him 36/3

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if the spurs had salary dumped parker i'm sure lin would've signed here for even less.

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Originally Posted by Em-City

what's the point of comparing tony to the two most under-paid stars of modern basketball?... compare him over his career to the rest of the league's top play-makers and he's underpaid by a country mile

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• Tony Parker: -$7.4 value ($6.0 million value produced, $13.4 million contract value)
• Steph Curry ($47.4 million value), Russell Westbrook ($33.0 million value), Kyle Lowry ($26.6 million value)

:rolleyes

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Originally Posted by RD2191

He's fukin Asian. They all get shook when driving in traffic.

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top fucking kek

fuck that he comes and I'm jumpin ship from this site.

I would not want to catch the attention of China's 100,000 hacker army. my cartel is too valuable for even my posts :lmao

can u imagine the moment I piss of the Lintards to be here?