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Doesnt necessarily mean he wont be on the team.
That sweet, sweet cap space.
True... he could still sign for the minimum later after Olympics. Helps Spurs with some addl minimal options w/cap flexibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs9
Would want to wait for someone to actually embed the tweet. But yeah, this should happen with Manu and Duncan no matter what. I've said before that there's almost no upside in them opting in.
Yea. I'm sure Tim will opt out too. I'm thinking PATFO makes some runs at some FA targets before we know anything for sure about Tim and Manu's future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs9
Haha Argentina beats the U.S. 4-0 and all of sudden Manu is too good for us. What an ungrateful jerk. He's probably going to try and coat tail messi instead of Timmy.
How and I'll do itQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
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Originally Posted by Chinook
How much was the player option worth? 2mil? I guess that gives us more flexability.
If we are able to aquire any marquee players I can see him signing for less for 1 last chance at a 'ship and if not I can see the FO giving him more as a loyalty thing.
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Originally Posted by ulosturedge
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Originally Posted by AFMadison
Thanks. I feel like after years of Manu signing extensions, he is kinda addicted to being a free agent. This is the third time in four seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by NASpurs
Sure there's not much upside for the Spurs, but plenty of upside for the players to opt-in personally. Opting out is giving up guaranteed money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
As expected, players doing their part in this offseason per par
Maybe he wants to go to Denver to finish out his career..Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Manu leaning towards playing next season according to Woj.
Nah. The team will take care of them. They know that by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie
If this is true, i bet he's talked to Timmy and timmy is probably leaning towards coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
That's what it looks like. Surprised but happy. Suggests Tim might be back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
The Yahoo headline shows up as Manu Ginobili leaning toward playing next season
They showed Sean working out with the guy who Tim regularly trains with during offseasons to stay in shape (at the Spurs facility no less), so I'm betting Tim was there too. Good sign for those hoping he returns.
Manu has retired!!!
Thank you for all the great memories, Manu!
This is obviously the scenario: KD wants to be a Spur, but only if Duncan stays one transition year. So Tim's staying. Manu is setting if he fits on the bench, but is leaning toward yes.
he's always been the unselfish guy, tbh... this obviously gives the team more financial flexibility.
I think at this stage of his career he wants to make sure the team tell him they want him back and not force his way into perhaps an unwelcome situation.
Good riddance
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Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
One more year, Manu.
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Originally Posted by Uriel
Better get KD now
He'll sign back for less!
Oh man, that would be awesome if Manu can go another year. Especially if Tim can too.
:pop:See Kevin, Manu has gotten over himself, and under my tutelage, he became a 4 time NBA champion. Are you willing to completely succomb to my powers and allow -- if not welcome -- my verbal tirades at places and times of my choosing? If so, championships await.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursparker9
Vet min tbh
It has begun :lobt2:
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Originally Posted by Uriel
At this point in his career, Manu is a vet minimum guy.
So manu and duncan sign for the vet min?
I don't want Tim or Manu back for another season tbh, I wish they would just move on. Although between the 2 I might take Manu back if its for the min.
If it's for the minimum, why not?
Greg Simmons!Quote:
Originally Posted by LakerHater
OMG is he still alive...
I really think both Manu and Tim will wait and see what the FO does first. If they want to be apart of it they'll sign for the minimum when the time comes.
Lol the local sports guy relying on Yahoo Sports to break the news he should be breaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddog
GTFO Hater!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Im gunna miss these guys when they are gone...I just want it to go on forever.....hopefully one more time.
He was very effective in his 19 mins a game for 50+ games. To put Manu's season into perspective he averages more points and assist than Shaun Livingston in similar minutes. To get Manu at the minimum would be great.
Best Spur guard ever helping his team per par :worthy:
With a lesser role, hed be even more effective.
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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
Manu has the Spurs team always as number one in his heart and mind. Thinks what is best for his team....
No, he's not. He's vastly underpaid at the vet minimum. Yes, he's limited to 20 minutes per game but still is playing at a high level. He's not at ring chaser level like many of these vet mins.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
High usage while he was on the floor - just under Butler, Klay and Dirk and ahead of Bosh, Conley, KAT. Above average shooting and high assist rates (turnovers high too).
3rd last year in RPM among SG behind Harden and Butler, and only guy over +1 oRPM and dRPM.
If he can do that in even 15 minutes per game to run the bench units, he's worth well more than the vets min.
I have no problem with Manu giving us 1 more year. Sure he can only play 15-20 mins a night but he's still effective. And if he signs for the minimum, that's a bargain.
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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Manu Ginobili is still a damn good player 20 mins a night.
I think spacing out his minutes better would help as well. Who knows what happens with this offseason though.
If they sign Conley, Parker and Manu coming off the bench is pretty damn potent.
Bingo!Quote:
Originally Posted by myhc
Not really in favor of Conley (and especially not Conley and Parker) but would love the idea of him returning for that kind of pay with his skillset even at this stage for at least one more year.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Just understand that Manu can no longer play significant (by that, I mean meaningful 4th quarter) playoff minutes. He's past that point. If he wants to come back to mentor young players and help the Spurs get a few regular season wins, that's fine.
I would therefore expect no more DNP-old because the Spurs have no reason to "save" him for the playoffs. He should be glued to the bench by late April.
Pretty much over the nostalgia part of these guys coming back. That said, I'm sure there is a huge financial boon for the owners in having Manu on the court. I think Pop underused Manu last year. Wouldn't mind seeing him next year as a contributor.
He won't have a reduced role, and y'all know this. He'll be ball dominant like he always has and he's just not good enough anymore to do that. His playmaking went down the drain this year and his defense is Gary Neal-esque at this point. The bench got exposed last year and it'll continue if he's still the 6th man.
2013 playoffs: 11.5PPG, 39.9FG%
2014 playoffs: 14.3PPG, 43.9FG%
2015 playoffs: 8.0PPG, 34.9FG%
2016 playoffs: 6.7PPG, 43.6FG%
Sign Bazemore or Lin. Move on.
Bazemore is going to cost you eight figures. Lin less, but still not cheap. Manu can be signed at the vet minimum once all is said and done.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Not comparable.
15 minutes a night for a guy who will at least control the ball 60% of the time. I can live with that during this transitional period. Cap space does not allow us to hit a real big home run this year. Lets bolster the bench and next season get a better front court.
He's no worse then Tony Parker tbh..
And far less expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ulosturedge
Look up "sunk costs" good economics lessonQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
Bazemore, Turner, and H Barnes are going to show what overpriced will be this offseason. Watch...
Yes he is, lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by ulosturedge
I'd rather see Manu run the offense then Tony. Defense is a wash at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
:pop: As soon as I substituted it all went to crapQuote:
Originally Posted by ulosturedge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRF...&feature=share
No one on that second unit should come back IMO, rebuild
Manu is like 5 years older than porker and was still out balling him... smh you parkertards are a cancer on this forum :lol
Manure might've balled out in your mouth, but he sure as fuck didn't ball out in the playoffs :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SupremeGuy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorY3qkS59k&feature=share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b4D0M9zTRw&feature=share
Tony Parker 2016 playoffs:
26.4MPG, 10.4PPG, 2.2RPG, 5.3APG, 44.9FG%
Manure Ginobili 2016 playoffs:
19.2MPG, 6.7PPG, 2.7RPG, 2.5APG, 42.6FG%
Those stats and difference in price tags. lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
You don't want to see the difference if you take out the Grizzlies series where Manure wasted his load, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
Manure had the same price tag when he cost the Spurs a ship in 13' :downspin:
He will probably be back bc we project to have too much youth now for once if RC is bringing one or more foreign stashes in. They appeared to have researched some local kids from the NCAA extensively, so even if they are unable to trade up in the draft they might bring someone in still with the 29th pick. That's 3 rookies right there.
Then we still have KA, maybe Boban, Simmons. That's just too many young guys with possibilities for bench bench roles.
POP is going to want Manu to mentor and help. In an ideal scenario some of these young guys,break out of their training wheels and we don't need to rely on Manu. It's the farewell tour. For sure that helps the franchise financially too. It's after all a business.
Conclusion: They are BOTH trash except Porker is going to make 30 mill the next two seasons.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
They would have to be renounced otherwise their cap hold is worse than them opting-in, hopefully it means that they are signing for the vet min.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I'll absolutely take Manu for the vet minimum...that's still a great deal for someone of his caliber.
The problem is, I don't want the FO to just re-sign Manu for the vet min and then still rely on him to be the main driving force off the bench. I still think Manu is a solid player, but relying on him to consistently run the 2nd unit and be the 6th man night in and night out isn't the best idea at this stage in his career. Some nights, sure, he'll be able to play that role. But we still need to go out and get a playmaker off the bench even if Manu does come back.
Your concern is one I share. He's fine helping and mentoring. Him and Timmy are the best teammates ever. But Pop's is too used to relying on him and now it's gotten to the point it's too much. He can't be that guy anymore and neither can Mills for that matter. Pop needs to start relying on someone else. Hopefully he's training his replacements and someone loses his training wheels during the course of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan86
Manu at minimum or near-minimum is ridiculous value, tbh..
hopefully we trade parker and that results in less shitty posts by thegreatcunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
WHEN ADVANCED STATS GO WRONG:Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
anything citing harden as a good basketball player. W..... T....... F.... dude
I don't know why anyone would think Ginobili is going to re-sign for less. Duncan, West and him, were never going to pick up their well below market value player options. They only signed for what they did because those were the exact numbers required to make last season's team work financially.
That's no longer the case, so they can sign for a more representative number.
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Originally Posted by tholdren
Ball hog, yes and turns the ball over ... crappy defender, yes. Turnovers a problem.
But you're insane to think he's not a very good offensive player. Great scorer without being inefficient (getting to FT line helps efficiency) and a very good rebounder for a 2.
I wasn't trying to prove that Harden's an elite player so stop putting words in my mouth. I was comparing other SG to Ginobili who people think isn't worth the vet's minimum. Give me a break.
Don't bother responding because no need to read your posts anymore with many more quality posters on here.
The good news is we knew West was opting out. It never made sense for Tim/Manu to no opt out as well and with Manu actually doing that, SA is in great shape. If Manu/Tim don't retire, it looks like they are setting up SA to do their thing in Free Agency and will take what's left which is boss.
If SA whiffs on their plans, then they can reward Tim/Manu with a nice 1-year deal. It's literally a win-win and thanks to Manu/Tim if this actually pans out to where they take what's left over (likely the min).
That easy?Quote:
Originally Posted by spursparker9
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Let's say SA's #1 target in FA is Durant and he signs elsewhere. Who do you think is the backup plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
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Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
We could be actually heading to the scenario we least expected: Manu playing for 1 more year while Tim retires.
Manu will come back, play 15 min a game and every other game, then be pops go to guy off the bench in the playoffs again while other teams run circles around him.
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Originally Posted by UZER
You guys are idiots. Look at advanced for the playoffs, not per game stats. Manu, for as bad as he was, was still the most consistent and efficient G other than KL. It was KL/LMA then manu.... not much else to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
You expect ten year olds to understand anything except counting stats?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Some people will never get over Manu's game 7 in 2006 or game 6 in 2013. He's still one of the best guys coming off the bench in the league on a per minute basis. Just can't count on him for more than 20.
:pop: get over yourself, he's Manu Ginobili.Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
ManUre has been getting benched in key moments the past two postseasons b/c he can't guard anyone.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
completely idioticQuote:
Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Not at all. 2010 Manu ... heck, 2014 Manu is long gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
6.7 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists per game in the 2016 playoffs.
And he'll be another year older plus having played in the Olympics. He should retire.
I love Manu, but that's just the truth.
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Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
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Originally Posted by tholdren
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Originally Posted by cjw
One of the best bench players in the league period.