Manu has the Spurs team always as number one in his heart and mind. Thinks what is best for his team....
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Manu has the Spurs team always as number one in his heart and mind. Thinks what is best for his team....
No, he's not. He's vastly underpaid at the vet minimum. Yes, he's limited to 20 minutes per game but still is playing at a high level. He's not at ring chaser level like many of these vet mins.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
High usage while he was on the floor - just under Butler, Klay and Dirk and ahead of Bosh, Conley, KAT. Above average shooting and high assist rates (turnovers high too).
3rd last year in RPM among SG behind Harden and Butler, and only guy over +1 oRPM and dRPM.
If he can do that in even 15 minutes per game to run the bench units, he's worth well more than the vets min.
I have no problem with Manu giving us 1 more year. Sure he can only play 15-20 mins a night but he's still effective. And if he signs for the minimum, that's a bargain.
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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Manu Ginobili is still a damn good player 20 mins a night.
I think spacing out his minutes better would help as well. Who knows what happens with this offseason though.
If they sign Conley, Parker and Manu coming off the bench is pretty damn potent.
Bingo!Quote:
Originally Posted by myhc
Not really in favor of Conley (and especially not Conley and Parker) but would love the idea of him returning for that kind of pay with his skillset even at this stage for at least one more year.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Just understand that Manu can no longer play significant (by that, I mean meaningful 4th quarter) playoff minutes. He's past that point. If he wants to come back to mentor young players and help the Spurs get a few regular season wins, that's fine.
I would therefore expect no more DNP-old because the Spurs have no reason to "save" him for the playoffs. He should be glued to the bench by late April.
Pretty much over the nostalgia part of these guys coming back. That said, I'm sure there is a huge financial boon for the owners in having Manu on the court. I think Pop underused Manu last year. Wouldn't mind seeing him next year as a contributor.
He won't have a reduced role, and y'all know this. He'll be ball dominant like he always has and he's just not good enough anymore to do that. His playmaking went down the drain this year and his defense is Gary Neal-esque at this point. The bench got exposed last year and it'll continue if he's still the 6th man.
2013 playoffs: 11.5PPG, 39.9FG%
2014 playoffs: 14.3PPG, 43.9FG%
2015 playoffs: 8.0PPG, 34.9FG%
2016 playoffs: 6.7PPG, 43.6FG%
Sign Bazemore or Lin. Move on.
Bazemore is going to cost you eight figures. Lin less, but still not cheap. Manu can be signed at the vet minimum once all is said and done.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Not comparable.
15 minutes a night for a guy who will at least control the ball 60% of the time. I can live with that during this transitional period. Cap space does not allow us to hit a real big home run this year. Lets bolster the bench and next season get a better front court.
He's no worse then Tony Parker tbh..
And far less expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ulosturedge
Look up "sunk costs" good economics lessonQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
Bazemore, Turner, and H Barnes are going to show what overpriced will be this offseason. Watch...
Yes he is, lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by ulosturedge
I'd rather see Manu run the offense then Tony. Defense is a wash at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
:pop: As soon as I substituted it all went to crapQuote:
Originally Posted by ulosturedge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRF...&feature=share
No one on that second unit should come back IMO, rebuild
Manu is like 5 years older than porker and was still out balling him... smh you parkertards are a cancer on this forum :lol
Manure might've balled out in your mouth, but he sure as fuck didn't ball out in the playoffs :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SupremeGuy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorY3qkS59k&feature=share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b4D0M9zTRw&feature=share
Tony Parker 2016 playoffs:
26.4MPG, 10.4PPG, 2.2RPG, 5.3APG, 44.9FG%
Manure Ginobili 2016 playoffs:
19.2MPG, 6.7PPG, 2.7RPG, 2.5APG, 42.6FG%
Those stats and difference in price tags. lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
You don't want to see the difference if you take out the Grizzlies series where Manure wasted his load, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard
Manure had the same price tag when he cost the Spurs a ship in 13' :downspin:
He will probably be back bc we project to have too much youth now for once if RC is bringing one or more foreign stashes in. They appeared to have researched some local kids from the NCAA extensively, so even if they are unable to trade up in the draft they might bring someone in still with the 29th pick. That's 3 rookies right there.
Then we still have KA, maybe Boban, Simmons. That's just too many young guys with possibilities for bench bench roles.
POP is going to want Manu to mentor and help. In an ideal scenario some of these young guys,break out of their training wheels and we don't need to rely on Manu. It's the farewell tour. For sure that helps the franchise financially too. It's after all a business.
Conclusion: They are BOTH trash except Porker is going to make 30 mill the next two seasons.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
They would have to be renounced otherwise their cap hold is worse than them opting-in, hopefully it means that they are signing for the vet min.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook