Manu Ginobili declines player option

I'll absolutely take Manu for the vet minimum...that's still a great deal for someone of his caliber.

The problem is, I don't want the FO to just re-sign Manu for the vet min and then still rely on him to be the main driving force off the bench. I still think Manu is a solid player, but relying on him to consistently run the 2nd unit and be the 6th man night in and night out isn't the best idea at this stage in his career. Some nights, sure, he'll be able to play that role. But we still need to go out and get a playmaker off the bench even if Manu does come back.

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

I'll absolutely take Manu for the vet minimum...that's still a great deal for someone of his caliber.

The problem is, I don't want the FO to just re-sign Manu for the vet min and then still rely on him to be the main driving force off the bench. I still think Manu is a solid player, but relying on him to consistently run the 2nd unit and be the 6th man night in and night out isn't the best idea at this stage in his career. Some nights, sure, he'll be able to play that role. But we still need to go out and get a playmaker off the bench even if Manu does come back.

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Your concern is one I share. He's fine helping and mentoring. Him and Timmy are the best teammates ever. But Pop's is too used to relying on him and now it's gotten to the point it's too much. He can't be that guy anymore and neither can Mills for that matter. Pop needs to start relying on someone else. Hopefully he's training his replacements and someone loses his training wheels during the course of the season.

Manu at minimum or near-minimum is ridiculous value, tbh..

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

Those stats and difference in price tags. lol..

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hopefully we trade parker and that results in less shitty posts by thegreatcunt.

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Originally Posted by cjw

No, he's not. He's vastly underpaid at the vet minimum. Yes, he's limited to 20 minutes per game but still is playing at a high level. He's not at ring chaser level like many of these vet mins.

High usage while he was on the floor - just under Butler, Klay and Dirk and ahead of Bosh, Conley, KAT. Above average shooting and high assist rates (turnovers high too).

3rd last year in RPM among SG behind Harden and Butler, and only guy over +1 oRPM and dRPM.

If he can do that in even 15 minutes per game to run the bench units, he's worth well more than the vets min.

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WHEN ADVANCED STATS GO WRONG:
anything citing harden as a good basketball player. W..... T....... F.... dude

I don't know why anyone would think Ginobili is going to re-sign for less. Duncan, West and him, were never going to pick up their well below market value player options. They only signed for what they did because those were the exact numbers required to make last season's team work financially.

That's no longer the case, so they can sign for a more representative number.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

WHEN ADVANCED STATS GO WRONG:
anything citing harden as a good basketball player. W..... T....... F.... dude

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Ball hog, yes and turns the ball over ... crappy defender, yes. Turnovers a problem.

But you're insane to think he's not a very good offensive player. Great scorer without being inefficient (getting to FT line helps efficiency) and a very good rebounder for a 2.

I wasn't trying to prove that Harden's an elite player so stop putting words in my mouth. I was comparing other SG to Ginobili who people think isn't worth the vet's minimum. Give me a break.

Don't bother responding because no need to read your posts anymore with many more quality posters on here.

The good news is we knew West was opting out. It never made sense for Tim/Manu to no opt out as well and with Manu actually doing that, SA is in great shape. If Manu/Tim don't retire, it looks like they are setting up SA to do their thing in Free Agency and will take what's left which is boss.

If SA whiffs on their plans, then they can reward Tim/Manu with a nice 1-year deal. It's literally a win-win and thanks to Manu/Tim if this actually pans out to where they take what's left over (likely the min).

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

Better get KD now

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That easy?

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

The good news is we knew West was opting out. It never made sense for Tim/Manu to no opt out as well and with Manu actually doing that, SA is in great shape. If Manu/Tim don't retire, it looks like they are setting up SA to do their thing in Free Agency and will take what's left which is boss.

If SA whiffs on their plans, then they can reward Tim/Manu with a nice 1-year deal. It's literally a win-win and thanks to Manu/Tim if this actually pans out to where they take what's left over (likely the min).

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+1

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

The good news is we knew West was opting out. It never made sense for Tim/Manu to no opt out as well and with Manu actually doing that, SA is in great shape. If Manu/Tim don't retire, it looks like they are setting up SA to do their thing in Free Agency and will take what's left which is boss.

If SA whiffs on their plans, then they can reward Tim/Manu with a nice 1-year deal. It's literally a win-win and thanks to Manu/Tim if this actually pans out to where they take what's left over (likely the min).

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Let's say SA's #1 target in FA is Durant and he signs elsewhere. Who do you think is the backup plan?

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Originally Posted by look_at_g_shred

Let's say SA's #1 target in FA is Durant and he signs elsewhere. Who do you think is the backup plan?

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

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:lol

We could be actually heading to the scenario we least expected: Manu playing for 1 more year while Tim retires.

Manu will come back, play 15 min a game and every other game, then be pops go to guy off the bench in the playoffs again while other teams run circles around him.

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Originally Posted by UZER

Manu will come back, play 15 min a game and every other game, then be pops go to guy off the bench in the playoffs again while other teams run circles around him.

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

Conclusion: They are BOTH trash except Porker is going to make 30 mill the next two seasons.:lol

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You guys are idiots. Look at advanced for the playoffs, not per game stats. Manu, for as bad as he was, was still the most consistent and efficient G other than KL. It was KL/LMA then manu.... not much else to say.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

You guys are idiots. Look at advanced for the playoffs, not per game stats. Manu, for as bad as he was, was still the most consistent and efficient G other than KL. It was KL/LMA then manu.... not much else to say.

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You expect ten year olds to understand anything except counting stats?

Some people will never get over Manu's game 7 in 2006 or game 6 in 2013. He's still one of the best guys coming off the bench in the league on a per minute basis. Just can't count on him for more than 20.

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Originally Posted by UZER

Manu will come back, play 15 min a game and every other game, then be pops go to guy off the bench in the playoffs again while other teams run circles around him.

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:pop: get over yourself, he's Manu Ginobili.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

You guys are idiots. Look at advanced for the playoffs, not per game stats. Manu, for as bad as he was, was still the most consistent and efficient G other than KL. It was KL/LMA then manu.... not much else to say.

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ManUre has been getting benched in key moments the past two postseasons b/c he can't guard anyone.:lol

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Originally Posted by Keepin' it real

Just understand that Manu can no longer play significant (by that, I mean meaningful 4th quarter) playoff minutes. He's past that point. If he wants to come back to mentor young players and help the Spurs get a few regular season wins, that's fine.

I would therefore expect no more DNP-old because the Spurs have no reason to "save" him for the playoffs. He should be glued to the bench by late April.

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completely idiotic

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

ManUre has been getting benched in key moments the past two postseasons b/c he can't guard anyone.:lol

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Originally Posted by T Park

completely idiotic

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Not at all. 2010 Manu ... heck, 2014 Manu is long gone.

6.7 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists per game in the 2016 playoffs.

And he'll be another year older plus having played in the Olympics. He should retire.

I love Manu, but that's just the truth.

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Originally Posted by Keepin' it real

Not at all. 2010 Manu ... heck, 2014 Manu is long gone.

6.7 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists per game in the 2016 playoffs.

And he'll be another year older plus having played in the Olympics. He should retire.

I love Manu, but that's just the truth.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

You guys are idiots. Look at advanced for the playoffs, not per game stats. Manu, for as bad as he was, was still the most consistent and efficient G other than KL. It was KL/LMA then manu.... not much else to say.

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Originally Posted by cjw

You expect ten year olds to understand anything except counting stats?

Some people will never get over Manu's game 7 in 2006 or game 6 in 2013. He's still one of the best guys coming off the bench in the league on a per minute basis. Just can't count on him for more than 20.

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One of the best bench players in the league period.