Manu Ginobili declines player option

Manu returning is great value, but they desperately need to add another perimeter creator off the bench..they tried with Kevin Martin, but obviously failed..

It's a disservice to both Manu and Parker that the Spurs have yet to find another playmaker on the perimeter to remove some of the load off them..the decline of both players has been exacerbated by the over-reliance on them as creators..

They likely will attempt to address that ^^^ through FA and the draft this season.

haters gonna hate, tbh... he didn't even play 20 mpg last season, and it's clear he had plenty left in the tank... he just can't still be the best player off the bench at this point, tbh...

I mean, if there's room for Matt fucking Bonner, just give me Gino anyday...

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Manu returning is great value, but they desperately need to add another perimeter creator off the bench..they tried with Kevin Martin, but obviously failed..

It's a disservice to both Manu and Parker that the Spurs have yet to find another playmaker on the perimeter to remove some of the load off them..the decline of both players has been exacerbated by the over-reliance on them as creators..

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Conley could help there, but really, the issue is also how we're going to play... if we're going back to ISO after ISO in the post, then I don't know you need much creation... it's more about having shot-makers, IMO.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

haters gonna hate, tbh... he didn't even play 20 mpg last season, and it's clear he had plenty left in the tank... he just can't still be the best player off the bench at this point, tbh...

I mean, if there's room for Matt fucking Bonner, just give me Gino anyday...

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Not hating but it's clear you agree he just can't be the epicenter in the bench as he was. Neither can Mills IMO. I think that experiment failed. Anyways I think the backcourt is their priority either in the draft or FA. We are coming out from this summer with at least one younger playmaker.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Conley could help there, but really, the issue is also how we're going to play... if we're going back to ISO after ISO in the post, then I don't know you need much creation... it's more about having shot-makers, IMO.

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With the starting unit, yes, but the bench's style didn't change dramatically..the over-reliance on Manu is evident, the players next to him tend to struggle when he's off his game(particularly Mills)..

Now we need to find a way to lighten the load of Tony's contract. Don't we still have an amnesty available? Then resign him for less......hell nobody else would take his contract vs his output.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

With the starting unit, yes, but the bench's style didn't change dramatically..the over-reliance on Manu is evident, the players next to him tend to struggle when he's off his game(particularly Mills)..

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Yeah, plus Bobo was terrible, West was terrible too, Kyle was clearly not ready. I actually expect a lot of movement in that area this summer, trying to rebuild the bench.

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Originally Posted by Skoobz

Now we need to find a way to lighten the load of Tony's contract. Don't we still have an amnesty available? Then resign him for less......hell nobody else would take his contract vs his output.

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I don't think the amnesty is available anymore since he's on a new deal. There's no reducing that contract, Spurs going to have to work around it.

Well, at least they already have in-house, cheap options for the secondary creator in Anderson and Simmons..I'm not a fan of the latter and there's a love/hate relationship on ST with Anderson, but both players are at a point where they need to produce, next season(Simmons because of his age, and Anderson because next season will be make or break IMO)..

I would rather go with a bigger name(like a Fournier) off the bench, but it's currently tough to project how much money mid-tier players are going to be receiving, right now IMO..

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I don't think the amnesty is available anymore since he's on a new deal. There's no reducing that contract, Spurs going to have to work around it.

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Ah gotcha. I actually thought it didn't matter when the contract was signed....that's a bitch if true tbh fwiw.

Good to see ya around BillMc

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Originally Posted by Skoobz

Good to see ya around BillMc

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Cheers man!:toast

Manu has a slot on this team as long as he wants, especially if it is a minimum deal. His leadership alone is worth it.

It´s a great move by Manu, he gave up guaranteed money that was below market value for him just to help the team. That´s what leaders do. Third time in a row he has done this. He and Duncan should hve a statue made with the money the spurs saved off them.

About Manu being on the team i am going to be this simple, if you can find better players than him for him for the same pricetag, let him go, if not, just accept the reality that the guy still is better than 50% of the league.

sorry its time for Manu to pack up and call it quits hes playing this summer which is gonna BE more miles on him....if I were the Spurs and he wants to play for Argentina Id say fuck no.....if he is gonna come back ....and besides look at how many titles this guy costed us playing in the summer getting hurt during the season........

Spurs gotta get young and athletic....Sorry Manu fans its time to let go!!!! Thank you for everything Manu your number is already in place up in the rafters.

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Originally Posted by Keepin' it real

Not at all. 2010 Manu ... heck, 2014 Manu is long gone.

6.7 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists per game in the 2016 playoffs.

And he'll be another year older plus having played in the Olympics. He should retire.

I love Manu, but that's just the truth.

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I agree

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Manu returning is great value, but they desperately need to add another perimeter creator off the bench..they tried with Kevin Martin, but obviously failed..

It's a disservice to both Manu and Parker that the Spurs have yet to find another playmaker on the perimeter to remove some of the load off them..the decline of both players has been exacerbated by the over-reliance on them as creators..

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Been saying this for a long time. It's not their fault they aged. Unfortunately in the heat of the moment, they take the criticism because they are on the ones on the court (from myself included). But it really falls on Pop and the front office. They've had years to find replacements but Pops super short leash on new guys makes it difficult. That's why I keep saying as long as they are around, Pop will go with what he knows and ride them till the boat sinks. He can't NOT play them.