I think Rubio works great if we get Durant. Simply having a pass first pg run the show and spread the love would be a better option than Parker. Plus Rubio is a great defender. People need to realise that if Rubio could shoot, he would be a star.
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I think Rubio works great if we get Durant. Simply having a pass first pg run the show and spread the love would be a better option than Parker. Plus Rubio is a great defender. People need to realise that if Rubio could shoot, he would be a star.
That's how bad Parker is that we are willing to entertain just about anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14...speaks-volumes
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It has become harder to play a non-shooter, and, holy hell, is Rubio a non-shooter. He has never approached 40 percent overall, or even cracked 50 percent on shots within three feet of the basket. His jumper looks smoother after years of work with shooting experts, but he's still shooting just 30 percent from deep and 38 percent on long 2s. And those long 2s are Rajon Rondo shots -- wide-open looks defenses happily concede. Even if you hit them at a 40 percent clip, that still yields a lower points per possession figure than a functional half-court offense.
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You can't blame Minnesota for being unsure that Rubio is the right point guard for its young core. But that's what makes this hypothetical swap so fascinating: there is something about Rubio that works in the NBA, even with all the indicators blaring that he should be a hugely damaging offensive player. And this goes beyond defense, where he's among the very best at his position -- a long, tough steals machine with a Ginobili-esque sense of when to sneak away from his man and lunge for steals. He and Manu should form a bank-robbing duo after Rubio retires.
The Wolves have been better on the court every year of Rubio's career, sometimes dramatically so, and more efficient on offense in every season but his rookie campaign, per NBA.com. They even did fine when Rubio played without Kevin Love on the floor.
Interesting read on Rubio from Lowe. Posted just a small amount of the interesting parts.Quote:
There is a ton of noise in those numbers, obviously. The quality gap between Minnesota's starters and reserves during Rubio's time, and especially between Rubio and his primary backup in the past two years, probably inflates them. Other stats, including ESPN.com's adjusted plus-minus, paint him as something like an average point guard on offense, though he's even doing well there this season.
But Rubio does something on offense that defies expectations. It's rote to say he's a genius passer, but the dude is a genius freaking passer. There are lots of team executives who still believe in Rubio's ability to lift a team to higher places; he might have more trade value than you'd think, especially since he's on a team-friendly deal through 2018-19.
"We win games when I'm out there," Rubio told me in the fall. "I've just got to stay healthy."
Thanks for sharing that was interesting. There are so few true passers in a league that has too many SG forced to play the point bc of their size. I once read that OF are not trained they are born that way. They just have a knack for finding players in scoring positions that makes an offense rubs smoothly. When you see guys like that you know! Yea if he could shoot he would be Chris Paul who is a star. Another nonshooter who can pass is Rondo. He's been cancerous but his talent was undeniable.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
The problem is how many times have we seen Rubio make the playoffs? He's been the best PG in his team, but not good enough to make the playoffs bc he's such a bad shooter. That picture didn't end well for Dallas and we would be headed to a similar situation. In the playoffs guys like that are forced to beat the other team by the jump shot and they need the ball. They almost already help off Tony anyways and Tony is at least streaky shooting the 3.
It's a big issue to have a PG who is a very inefficient scorer, specially when we are already getting almost nothing from our backcourt some nights. It's a real question that hasn't been answered if you can win a championship with a PG who can't score. I would say no you can't.
^ Don't exactly agree. We have seen teams win championships without a scoring PG. 03 Spurs with Parker and Speedy. Celtics with Rondo. Fisher and Harper and the Lakers. Charmers and the Heat. Kidd and the Mavs. Garry Payton and the Heat. We can even go back to Ron Harper and the Bulls. And other teams who got the finals but lost, Marc Jackson and the Pacers, Eric Snow and the 79ers, and Kidd and the Nets.
Although some of them developed knock down open 3 pnt shooters, especially later in their career like Fisher, Kidd, Harper, and to a lesser extent Charmers, I am convince enough to say that Payton, young Kidd, Snow, Parker/Speedy, and Jackson were never knock down shooters.
Never underestimate good passing pg's. You have to have the personal around them, but they can make good teams great teams, but rarely average teams good teams.
Yes but those teams had supreme talent. The Celtics had 3 elite players and two were knockdown shooters. Only in a system like that was Rondo able to have success. They require a very specific situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbdog
Anyways my knowledge of that time is limited. Parker has not been a shooter but he's always been a scorer. The most limited like Fisher and Chalmers at least could shoot the 3 and were compliments to other talent, they spotted up a lot. When Chalmers couldn't buy a 3 in the 2014 Miami lost. In 2013 him getting hot at the right time helped LeBron's case for a championship.
We probably lose that game 5 in 2014 at home if Mills doesn't get hot from 3 and ppl blast Tony statpadding at the end, but they forget that Kawhi fouled out of game 5. The fact Miami couldn't get a stop bc of the avalanche from the guards broke their spirit. LeBron took a rest and never got back into the game after that.
I think it is a very big deal. I do like many other things from Rubio. I think he is a special player in areas that are not flashy and underrated, but I have doubts with winning with a guy like that. They need a specific situation and system to be valuable. If you want the ball in someone else's hand they don't help you win games. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason Thibs is shopping him.
Like I said he's never made the playoffs.
Uncertain if I would give up Parker for Rubio...
$15,000,000 vs. $4,700,000?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
i know, but it's rubio
Those PGs weren't making $15 million a year. The Wolves are in an enviable position because several guys are on rookie deals, but he would clog up any flexibility the Spurs have.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbdog
This isn't a problem of a broken shot. He's just a crappy offensive player outside of his passing ability. Chip isn't going to fix his inability to hit at the rim or on floaters.
I agree with some aspects, like you need to have players around a player like Rubio to compliment him. He cannot be a scorer, ever. And although Parker avg about 15points a game on 03, in the finals he was awful (apparently sick), and shot pretty ordinary. There is no doubt that Rondo benefited from the PGA tour, but the Spurs or any team mind you, isn't winning unless our best players (LMA&Leonard) are not hitting on all cylinders when it counts. And although Charmers, fisher, harper had to hit their 3's, deep runs were made by Snow, Marc Jackson, and Gary Payton in the Heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
But consider this, if the Spurs get Durant, and you have 3 scorers all with different skill sets, do you really want Parker running the show or a elite passer like Rubio?
i honestly feel that you can get any college pg to assist to the three listed above. I know I could, and id do it for vet min. 10 apg from me easyQuote:
Originally Posted by tbdog
Rubio's salary for this coming season is $13.4 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursforSix
Pass first players like Rubio, Rondo, and Kyle Anderson are cancers. They have no other option but pass because they can't score for shit. If anyone thinks having a 37fg% career player is the key to 6, you're better off posting on Reddit or something.
Faggot also has a huge ego and made the Minny front office decide between him and Love. Fuck him he's trash
you don't understand kyles game at allQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
He's a fucking scrub. Good luck convincing yourself he can be a scorer if he wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by K...
ha, doesn't work that way. And even if you could somewhat break down a defense on a drive and kick, or could shoot 35-40% on pull ups and floaters, and low 30% of the 3 point line, and you could find passing lanes that only few good points guards can, there is no way you could defend like Rubio does.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
I am not proposing a Parker for Rubio trade (although as we transition into a younger team it isn't a far stretch to consider), but if Durant comes, and for the record I am only saying this; IF Durant comes, we are going to have to salary dump Parker or Green, but most likely Green as. 1. There will be too much depth on the wing due to Leonard and Durant. 2. We still have a hole at the pg position if we lose Parker. 3. We are not getting a cheap alternative to replace parker. Conley will cost 20mil, and Dellavedova is costing about 10mil. Rubio feels like his right in-between those two.
Anyway, I propose earlier that Spurs dump Green for Dieng, and trade Parker for Rubio, which should create about 7 million in space to afford to sign Durant and gaining a starting center.
The thought of opposing coaches game-planning against Rubio in the playoffs is terrifying, tbh..
Sure, but even w/ TP who was a liability on both ends, SA could have beaten OKC. Just getting a marginal improvement on offense (Rubio's passing) and a solid improvement on team defense (already a beast defense) may be enough. It's obviously no slam dunk; for the reasons many have mentioned Rubio has flaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
However, I can't think of many other players that might be attainable, that are still young and that might be able to help if things break right without having to massively over pay for 4 more years.
^ As Parker ages, his legs get older, his shot doesn't fall, and teams will continue to attack him and Mills. Rubio is 9 years younger.
^ You all have good points. It's interesting to discuss. We could actually get much better just with Durant and Dieng.
In a scenario like that Rubio could work our just fine. The playoffs are another beast though. Pop probably will have someone else to close out games I imagine, which in this alternate universe we are talking about could be Mills for his shot or someone unknown yet to be designated.
In a not so alternative universe Tony is not getting traded for Rubio.
Cacho Rubio, right?
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
would much prefer to swap parker for him.
spurstalk would love rubio.
his knock is he can't shoot? well we have the best shooting coach in the league. and we wouldn't need him to take shots, he could find kawhi/lma and get us easy buckets.
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Originally Posted by tmtcsc