Didn't we just draft a kid who doesn't have a jumper and is turnover prone? Seems like it would be redundant.
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Didn't we just draft a kid who doesn't have a jumper and is turnover prone? Seems like it would be redundant.
No.. his contract is worse then Parker's.
rubio... gives you a great statline one night, plays awful 2 other nights in the week.
Not really a Rubio fan.
If we are looking for PG's who make under $15M to add to the roster as opposed to signing Conley for the max....I'd prefer we go after Brandon Knight. He shoots well enough to play off the ball and he is athletic enough to work in the lane. Phoenix is shopping he and/Bledsoe and Knight is a better fit here.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I'd rather take a flyer on J Clarskon, Jennings, or Augiston over Rubio... Heck, I would even go Rondo over Rubio lol!
As others have said, Rubio isn't just a "bad shooter", he's the worst shooting guard of all-time:lol
Didn't know that. Would rather keep Parker and hope for career ending injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXstbobcat
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Originally Posted by SpursforSix
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Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
I work with a lot of Timberwolve fans and they all want the wolves to trade Rubio.
They must have never heard of RealGM. Those guys are adamant that Rubio was worth a ton.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXstbobcat
I want to clarify my stance: I'm not all-in for Rubio or anything. He's very flawed, but I think people really over value shooting & under value defense/rebounding. Rubio for me is in context of Conley. I would rather have Rubio who's younger and that has 2 legit skills (passing/defense) than max level Conley.
I know Rubio is really bad at shooting, but I do think that SA can have enough shooters on a roster to over come that especially if SA has the best defense in the league with Rubio/Danny/Kawhi/LMA.
I'd take Rubio at his contract over Conley at the max. But I'm not moving two picks to make that happen. I really think the idea of getting a non-scoring guard just doesn't make sense if the team is spending big money on that player. They need points. I'd rather move a second-rounder for Lou Williams than the same for Rubio, especially in the context of the current roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Oh I agree, to most teams but especially SA, he's not worth giving up picks for. I think having either TP or Rubio for the bench now would be massive as long as SA lands shooting at other positions (especially the 4/5). I agree SA could use some points, but I can't get over how SA's offense was top 3 even with TP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I know TP started off well, but he nose dived some in the 2nd half. The offense, while not smooth, still held strong enough. That was with Danny tanking most of the season, LMA adjusting (though he improved every month) & getting nothing from Tim.
I think that Rubio (assuming he starts) could keep the offense the same level as TP had it with his passing and if SA landed a big that could shoot better than Tim + shooters off the bench then SA could have an even better defense & the starting lineup offense that was 3rd in the league with TP could still be fine.
If England can fix Bruce Bowen's shot, he can fix Rubio's.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Lets not act like he's some 30 year old has been here
You mean Parker & Kawhis. Bowen was signed in 01' and he built his shot when he was with Miami. Chip didn't come til 05'.Quote:
Originally Posted by T Park
Rubio can improve his shot, to what degree? Don't know, but it can only improve. Especially with him being only 25, and with the Spurs having Chip Engllend.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
One thing people are overlooking and not aware of is Rubio is an elite defensive PG. He's graded out 2nd/1st/2nd in DRPM for the past 3 years -- has great size, has a knack for creating turnovers and getting deflections. He also has lateral quickness to stay infront of his man.
Defense from the PG position has been a huge glaring weakness for the Spurs -- Parker graded out 33rd in DRPM last year and 76th the year before guarding the same starting PG's Rubio has guarded. Mills graded out 25th last year and that's pretty bad considering most of his minutes are up against back ups. This is where Rubio would be a huge upgrade, as Danny and Kawhi wouldn't have to work so damn hard on the defensive end chasing smaller guys around.
With that being said, Rubio would improve the defense drastically and improve play-making from the perimeter -- which they desperately need.
Considering the terrible alternatives in Free Agency, and the lack of valuable/expendable assets to get Jrue Holiday or better PG, Rubio is about as best Spurs can do to improve their PG play the next 2-3 years. And it's less of a risk than throwing the max at 28 yr old injury riddled Conley.
I'd imagine Minny wants Green right now from SA, but the smart thing for SA is to wait it out and let Rubios' value drop when Dunn/Levine eat into his minutes more and more during the year. By February, when Rubios value is lower because of his decreased production caused by decreased playing time, Minny should be more than happy to take Diaw/Mills/Anderson for Rubio as it would clear 29 mil in cap space for them the following 2 years.
RPM is adjusted for teammates. Patty is the better player already.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
It's a depressing day in San Antonio if all we can get for Diaw and Mills is the poorest poor man version of Manu on our team. :depressed
Haha - people use RPM to try to prove something without even knowing what it means. Like saying that Rubio played against starters while Levine played against reserves DESPITE THE FACT THAT RPM ADJUSTS FOR THAT!Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Intriguing question. If only he could finish OR shoot the 3 I'd say yes, but given that he can't do either, probably not. Great defender, visionary passer, but his inability to put the ball in the hole really limits him.
I like Manu4Tres' take: if you want to gamble that Chip can rehab his shot, try to grab him for cheap mid-season.
LOL. So funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursforSix
Big no. You just CAN'T have a guard in this day and age that cannot shoot on the floor playing big minutes. We're already in an era where ALL FIVE players on the floor are becoming capable of shooting. We've seen what having a guy on the floor that can't hit the open shot/three can do and its crippling. See Harrison Barnes. He is reason A-Z as to why GSW lost. He FEASTED on wide open looks the likes few have ever seen and he clanked damn near every one of them and it killed them. We need a capable shooter and finisher in the PG role.
DRPM is one of the best tools to quantify individual defense. There's a reason why Kawhi is top at SF, Dray top at PF, Bogut/Duncan top at C.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
There's also a reason Parker has graded out 33rd last year and 76th the year before.