Lowe: Spurs have extended a qualifying offer to Boban Marjanovic

If someone offers him 4 years at 10 million plus a year you let him walk imo

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Then the playoffs came and west's contract was unbelievably high.

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Actually based on advanced metrics he was basically average. his P.E.R. was 14.3 (slightly below league average) but had a Net Rtg of +4 and his win shares per 48 where slightly above league average.

People think he was a disaster, couldn't be further from the truth. For the money has was terrific.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Actually based on advanced metrics he was basically average. his P.E.R. was 14.3 (slightly below league average) but had a Net Rtg of +4 and his win shares per 48 where slightly above league average.

People think he was a disaster, couldn't be further from the truth. For the money has was terrific.

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The perception of his poor play was exacerbated by his increased role, tbh..

He's an ideal #4 big, he played mostly against opposing bench units during the season, which was a solid role for him(he excelled, as you said)..

He was horrendous vs. OKC(43.6 TS%, 2nd worst adjusted on/off numbers), but that was mostly due to the matchup, in addition to becoming the #2 big after Duncan and Diaw were completely ineffective..

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Telling y'all. Pop doesn't know what he has in Boban..... He's a fucking beast and better than Whiteside.

:cry but he brings the ball down next to the rim :cry
:cry but he's a poor defender and a liability :cry
:cry Just describing tall stiffs, don't watch games :cry

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

I mean I like Boban too, but you're looking at numbers completely void of any context. Boban didn't even play 10 mpg, and the vast majority of his minutes came in garbage time against other teams' worst players. You can't just blindly look at numbers and start claiming he's better than other guys on that list :lol

That being said, I do think Boban is legit (not better than Whiteside, but he could be one of the best backup bigs in the league). Hopefully some other team doesn't throw some ridiculous offer at him.

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Yeah. You guys give Boban WAY too much credit. Of course dude is a fan fave. He is awesome... in spurts. I really hope the Spurs don't offer him a long term deal. Two MAYBE three more years and he will be done. I like the guy but his body won't be able to take it. He's a fun novelty item but, unless they get rid of the 3 second rule, he is kind of slow and it looks painful to watch him try to move "quickly"

He's only as good as Pop will allow him to be

Pay him whatever a meaningful 3-10 minutes per game commands. As a situational role player he's awesome.

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

Pay him whatever a meaningful 3-10 minutes per game commands. As a situational role player he's awesome.

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The thing is he can play more with any other team. That doesn't mean he is less valuable because the Spurs only decide to play him less.

Assuming the Spurs miss out on a big name like KD....I think you gotta throw a little money at a gamble like Boban.

Some people point to his small sample size and garbage-time level of competition as skewing his stats, but the truth is...we don't really know what his true potential is. And we won't until he is given a chance to contribute for significant minutes, which will likely come next season.

Even if he plays at only 75% of the level he showed in short stints last season, he would still be one of the best bigs coming off the bench if he could do that for 15-20 minutes a game.

He did about as much as a player can do playing janitor last season, and I'd really like to see what he can do as a standard rotation kind of guy.

West having a good regular season is irrelevant. What is relevant, is the fact that he's a poor fit. He can't space to three, isn't a roller, rim protector or plus rebounder. In other words, he doesn't check a single box.

And forget about him as a fifth big, too: Should he forego retirement, he's not returning to play that limited a role.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

The perception of his poor play was exacerbated by his increased role, tbh..

He's an ideal #4 big, he played mostly against opposing bench units during the season, which was a solid role for him(he excelled, as you said)..

He was horrendous vs. OKC(43.6 TS%, 2nd worst adjusted on/off numbers), but that was mostly due to the matchup, in addition to becoming the #2 big after Duncan and Diaw were completely ineffective..

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He hardly played vs. OKC -- he played 28 minutes in 6 games. Not enough to really assess his value on the court vs. OKC.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

He hardly played vs. OKC -- he played 28 minutes in 6 games. Not enough to really assess his value on the court vs. OKC.

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Exactly. Sample size was too tiny. The whole regular season showed he is a good rotation player.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

West having a good regular season is irrelevant. What is relevant, is the fact that he's a poor fit. He can't space to three, isn't a roller, rim protector or plus rebounder. In other words, he doesn't check a single box.

And forget about him as a fifth big, too: Should he forego retirement, he's not returning to play that limited a role.

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I hope SA takes out the PnPop long 2 options for bigs outside of LA. It really hurts the offense more than people realize -- it takes away all weakside action/open 3's. The good teams will repeatedly give the Spurs the long open 2 and take away easy shots in lane/open 3's. West couldn't have fit in worse when it mattered. He couldn't defend, couldn't rebound in traffic, hell he couldn't box out with his bullshit face to face boxing out attempts, he couldn't create his own offense, he couldn't even hit the long 2's teams were giving the Spurs out of the Pick N Pop, his pick and pop attempts took away any potential wide open weak-side 3's, took away any weakside back door cuts. The long 2 pick and pop is the absolute worst offense you can draw up since it essentially takes away the most valuable shots in basketball.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

I hope SA takes out the PnPop long 2 options for bigs outside of LA. It really hurts the offense more than people realize -- it takes away all weakside action/open 3's. The good teams will repeatedly give the Spurs the long open 2 and take away easy shots in lane/open 3's. West couldn't have fit in worse when it mattered. He couldn't defend, couldn't rebound in traffic, hell he couldn't box out with his bullshit face to face boxing out attempts, he couldn't create his own offense, he couldn't even hit the long 2's teams were giving the Spurs out of the Pick N Pop, his pick and pop attempts took away any potential wide open weak-side 3's, took away any weakside back door cuts. The long 2 pick and pop is the absolute worst offense you can draw up since it essentially takes away the most valuable shots in basketball.

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Depends on personnel next year.. The Spurs could have more 3 point shooters available to stretch the floor to allow for better pick and pop situations.. A lot of those shitty pick n pop plays are because of penetration too so it goes back to Parker, Mills, or whoever getting off their guy enough to create that window.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

I hope SA takes out the PnPop long 2 options for bigs outside of LA. It really hurts the offense more than people realize -- it takes away all weakside action/open 3's. The good teams will repeatedly give the Spurs the long open 2 and take away easy shots in lane/open 3's. West couldn't have fit in worse when it mattered. He couldn't defend, couldn't rebound in traffic, hell he couldn't box out with his bullshit face to face boxing out attempts, he couldn't create his own offense, he couldn't even hit the long 2's teams were giving the Spurs out of the Pick N Pop, his pick and pop attempts took away any potential wide open weak-side 3's, took away any weakside back door cuts. The long 2 pick and pop is the absolute worst offense you can draw up since it essentially takes away the most valuable shots in basketball.

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Seeing that the pnp big jumper is by definition strongside how does it hurt weak side action? The rotation still has to come from a weakside defender. Duncan was shooting it for the past several years with his elbow jumper already. LMA improved off that.

The main reason why the offense stagnated is because Kawhi is a below average distributor off of pnr and penetration in general. I'm not worried about it because he works his butt off and was already improving during the season but he still has a way to go. It also didn't help that Verde was shooting like shit for most of the season either.

Maybe the play him...now.

We lucky he's capped at $5.6m next year or given Mosgov's contract... he'd be pushing $15-20mil

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Originally Posted by hsxvvd

We lucky he's capped at $5.6m next year or given Mosgov's contract... he'd be pushing $15-20mil

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Mozgov is better and easier to utilize against most teams than Boban.

I hope we can retain Boban. I think he's legit as a bench big option and I would much rather have him than D west if it comes to that.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Seeing that the pnp big jumper is by definition strongside how does it hurt weak side action? The rotation still has to come from a weakside defender. Duncan was shooting it for the past several years with his elbow jumper already. LMA improved off that.

The main reason why the offense stagnated is because Kawhi is a below average distributor off of pnr and penetration in general. I'm not worried about it because he works his butt off and was already improving during the season but he still has a way to go. It also didn't help that Verde was shooting like shit for most of the season either.

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Here's why Verde had a rough season, why Spurs had a tougher time manufacturing the most efficient shots in basketball, and why long 2 pick and pop play hurts weakside action and weakside open 3PA.

Good teams don't rotate to the Pick N pop long 2.

The weakside defenders stay at home on their man, while the defensive big involved in the pick and roll is concentrated on helping prevent the guard/wing from penetrating in the lane -- giving up the long 2. That hurts open 3 point attempts on the weakside and any action towards the basket from the weakside because the defensive player out on the wing pays more attention to the man their guarding. When Spurs had a diver, teams had to move their weakside defender over into the paint to prevent an easy bucket in the lane -- which opened up 3 point attempts on the outside.

That's why you didn't see 3 point flurries this past year like you did in previous years when Spurs had 48 minutes of divers in the game with Splitter and healthy TD -- Mills, Green, Neal, Manu ect would all have a field day. Having a diver induces all 5 guys on the defensive end to rotate and move -- which makes simple unselfish ball-movement so valuable. Spurs usually yielded the two most valuable shots in basketball with a diver incorporated in the offense (corner 3, wide open/uncontested 3 or layups/dunks in the lane). Having West/ Aldridge as pick and pop guys for 48 minutes made it really tough for Spurs to manufacture the best shots in basketball because teams simple were taking away the drives in PnR's and funnelling the shots to the long 2 pick and pop while the defenders on the weakside didn't have to move or expend any significant energy.

Not having a diver, allows good teams to use the 2 men in the pick and roll to funnel the shots to the long 2 while the weak-side defenders don't have to move or rotate -- they can just stay on their man.

Add him to the list if bums you guys already have.

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Originally Posted by Buddy Mignon

Add him to the list if bums you guys already have.

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You have Mozgov

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Here's why Verde had a rough season, why Spurs had a tougher time manufacturing the most efficient shots in basketball, and why long 2 pick and pop play hurts weakside action and weakside open 3PA.

Good teams don't rotate to the Pick N pop long 2.

The weakside defenders stay at home on their man, while the defensive big involved in the pick and roll is concentrated on helping prevent the guard/wing from penetrating in the lane -- giving up the long 2. That hurts open 3 point attempts on the weakside and any action towards the basket from the weakside because the defensive player out on the wing pays more attention to the man their guarding. When Spurs had a diver, teams had to move their weakside defender over into the paint to prevent an easy bucket in the lane -- which opened up 3 point attempts on the outside.

That's why you didn't see 3 point flurries this past year like you did in previous years when Spurs had 48 minutes of divers in the game with Splitter and healthy TD -- Mills, Green, Neal, Manu ect would all have a field day. Having a diver induces all 5 guys on the defensive end to rotate and move -- which makes simple unselfish ball-movement so valuable. Spurs usually yielded the two most valuable shots in basketball with a diver incorporated in the offense (corner 3, wide open/uncontested 3 or layups/dunks in the lane). Having West/ Aldridge as pick and pop guys for 48 minutes made it really tough for Spurs to manufacture the best shots in basketball because teams simple were taking away the drives in PnR's and funnelling the shots to the long 2 pick and pop while the defenders on the weakside didn't have to move or expend any significant energy.

Not having a diver, allows good teams to use the 2 men in the pick and roll to funnel the shots to the long 2 while the weak-side defenders don't have to move or rotate -- they can just stay on their man.

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If the defending big closed out LMA would drive which forces a rotation typically opening up the weakside corner.. Again Duncan was already doing the pnp before Aldridge. He wasn't as good at it. LMA can roll to the basket.

Duncan's regression was our biggest issue as well as losing shooting off the bench.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

You have Mozgov

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:lol

And what a bargain!

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Originally Posted by Bartleby

:lol

And what a bargain!

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Shitty Indiana getting Al Jefferson for half the price :lol

Indiana is a bigger FA destination than LA, lol Lakers

Some team is gonna give him an Arenas offer sheet. Watch it be Dallas when they strike out on Whiteside and Howard