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I don't understand this move. Doesn't this make it harder for the Spurs to lure a max free agent like KD?
Seems strange that he'd exercise the player option if he's not even sure he's returning. Doesn't that just tie up cap space for the time being?
Great to hear! Tim will be important as a mentor to any new pieces we acquire and will likely help mold his inevitable successor.
This doesn't necessarily mean he's coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooberNuts
Don't ruin your career stats playing for a pretender, Tim. :depressed
The Woj convo from earlier proved to be prophetic. I just don't get it though...seems like it hurts the Spurs in their free agency recruitment process.
Get your money, Tim. You owe this franchise nothing.
Spurs aren't getting Durant and he's the only FA that Tim should take the minimum for...
Who cares about career stats. The man is the Spurs GOAT. He can do what he wants. He decides to retire that is his severance package.
:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:Quote:
Originally Posted by NASpurs
Hope that means you're staying another year TD!!!!!!!!
Tim can do whatever he wants.
He's going on the pitch for Durant, so he clearly thinks there's some chance. It just seems like an odd move if he's still unsure about coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Btw, I don't begrudge him taking the money...it's his, he has more than earned it. Just saying I don't see what the play is from the bigger picture if there is one.
Yes.. But it's TFDQuote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
He's coming back
Casuals do. 20 years from now millennials will look back at his stats and see 17/16ppg.Quote:
Originally Posted by HankChinaski
If he comes back, I hope he just rests up for the playoffs. Won't happen though.
That "pitch" like many NBA talking heads have alluded to is to lay the foundation for the summer of 2017 when Durant is more likely to leave. He's doing a 1+1 to remain with OKC this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
He's not coming this year thus making Duncan's contract irrelevant in the grand scheme of this offseason.....
Chinook does this mean RC is going to have to move either Danny or TP to make room for a max player? IIRC Mills and Diaw would've been enough before, right?
No way to afford KD now unless TP is traded for Doritos.
TP probably signs off on that trade if he gets to keep the Doritos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud786
Cool ranch or nacho cheese?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud786
I don't blame him at all for taking the money. Even ignoring all he's done for this franchise, he's still easily worth $5.6 million in terms of what he gives you on the court.
It just seems weird that he'd opt in if he truly isn't sure about coming back.
Glad hes coming back :tu
hopefully his "good" knee actually heals for next season
what does this mean for the durant hunt tho?
Interesting how you make complete bullshit conjecture appear like fact. Even if you linked to said "talking heads", neither they nor you would be able to say for sure what the pitch is going to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
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Originally Posted by NASpurs
Welp, there it is. No one should begrudge Tim at all for this - he's done so much for the franchise beyond taking the pay cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I really didn't think it made sense for him to opt in and put the teams cap space in jeopardy, so I am surprised.
Now we really don't know anything and this puts a damper on SA's free agency chances. Like I said in the above post, maybe he's done caring about the franchise needs and is looking out for only himself (which is no big deal).
Just really interesting since SA could have paid him even more if he opted out and came back.
If he retires, he doesn't get his money. So him optin in does nothing except tie up cap space if he retires. If he stays, then it guarantees him the money, but SA likely could have paid him more if he opted out.
:toast
:lol Not sure what I can do for you if you think the Spurs have a realistic shot of bringing in KD THIS summer...Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
So basically he's coming back and doing us a solid by taking another paycut?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
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San Antonio Spurs cap situation http://yhoo.it/291CQlF
Exactly. Seems like it would've made more sense for him to opt out either way. It wouldn't count against the team's cap for the time being. If he decided he wanted to come back, Spurs could've offered him a 1-year deal for a similar amount, possibly more if/when they strike out on big name FAs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Cosigned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
Hope this means TD is coming back.
Seems like the Danny is the odd man out if they really want Durant... unless they can get rid of Parker. (Yeah KD and trading Parker are long shots)
Can't the team still pay him this year's salary if he retires? Why wouldn't the Spurs pay him if it was part of the deal last season when Timmy took a below market value contract....Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I'll ride with Timmy. Fuck a ring. I just wanna see some Spurs basketball.
Not at all. He's not doing the Spurs any favors and we don't know if he's coming back. He may be worth more on the open market if he returns, but I don't know. If he retires, then he definitely hurt the Spurs (but again, it's all good).Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor
Maybe he's letting the Spurs use him and his contract in a trade before he calls it quits lol
I'm not sure actually. I would imagine SA might be able to pay him, but if he retires I don't think teams usually pay players for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
To me, it's the same thing (circumventing the rules to an extent) as telling Tim that if he opts out SA will pay him 6M to be a "big man coach" or something.
Hmmm interesting pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Juan
Like Bowen, right? Maybe we're getting Rich Jefferson back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juan
I know this sounds ludicrous but is it possible that he opted in so that the Spurs could trade the value of his contract and then he retires? They would be able to send him and Boris' 7 mill somewhere and get a 12.5 Million player in return, if not more. That's what they did with Bruce Bowen.
Lil dpg needs to explain this betta
If TD decides to play another season, this really does show the Durant courting in the coming days is for the 2017 season. As always with SA FO - chess not checkers.
Interesting thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
Chinook - is it me or does this seem way different than what we discussed?Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
At this point. Yes. He brought what S.A. was never, ever ever, everevereverevereverevereverever gonna get without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
And he brought it over and over again.
Trophies.
Tim can suck up all the cap space for the entire year and he would deserve it ten times over.
Do what you want, big guy. I'm bringing my hot rod to your shop no matter what.
What you talking bout Willis?Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMarcus Bryant
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Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Tim taking matters into his own hands and screwing the Spurs before Pop gets a chance..
Actually, hope he does come back..
Casual Fans. Who gives a shit about casual fans. Anytime I talk to a casual fan about sports I may as well water board myself. Much like a large quantity of posters here. I just don't bother commenting to their takes they are emotionally anger responses of no lifers that live too much through other peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Pretty clear Timmy is retiring, tbh. Taking the 5 mill and calling it a career. :toast
PAFTO need to ink Gasol ASAP
I'm not exactly clear either even after a Google search.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I think the Spurs can still choose to pay him for "Nothing" if he retired and it would count against this year's cap.
If that happens, then you can say it's Timmy screwing the team over but what if it was an under the table agreement last year that Timmy would retire this offseason and the Spurs would still pay him. It would have come out to around 10-11mil salary for Duncan last year which is more than fair considering he's the franchise and still one of the best defensive bigs in the league...
And yet you bitch about every player that even sniffs joining the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by RD2191
You're so bullshit and I love you for it, big dog.
he is sucking up 5 or 6 million in cap space. WOW. compared to other unnamed nba players that held albatrosses on other teams I am sure the front office is more than happy to write that check.
Considering his personality and how much Timmy has sacrificed for the Spurs, the only scenario where this move makes sense is Duncan calling it quits tbh....
and his contract gets traded before he announces his retirmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
None of this makes sense tbh especially if we are going after Durant. I think something is brewing...
I don't think Spurs were going to gut the roster for Durant anyways, sounds like Spurs are confident they can get rid of Green or Parker if Durant comes.
Can you imagine? "The Spurs have traded Tim Duncan to the Philadelphia 76ers for..." :lol
I don't really think it's about screwing the franchise over - there has to be something I am missing (and others) about the benefit of excercising the option. I just don't see any upside for Tim let alone SA (unless they trade him like other say).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
I am tweeting Larry Coon to see if he can answer the CBA rules on retiring.
Salsa Verde GOATQuote:
Originally Posted by RD2191
Your motto is "Get Paycheck, Get Drunk"Quote:
Originally Posted by HankChinaski
:pop: is that you?
Maybe he simply is done and wants what's coming to him...Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
We'll know more in the next couple of days, for sure.
I wanna do this but I'm not sure why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Two bad knees tbh... looked geriatric against Adams and Kanter in the playoffs. Don't blame him.
Look forward to Poop getting exposed as the coattail rider he is :wakeup
I checked Larry's CBA FAQ and it definitely appears you get your money if you retire. I can see Tim wanting his money if he retires and perhaps he's really just unsure. If he was going to play, I guess he opts out. But if he's truly unsure and a deadline was forced the only way for him to get his money would be to opt in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen
It means the team has less chance to improve if he comes back, but I guess that is worth the risk if he's really weighing his options.
More of a Bukowski thing than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Surprising.
Not blaming him. Dude deserves every penny and then some. He's left more on the table than most would.
Like others, it makes me wonder how the Spurs attack this off season now.
I don't know what to tell you at this stage. I have gone through a lot of ideas here, and he seemed to me more likely to retire than Manu, but Manu at least made it clear at this stage it is an individual decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
I have since the very beginning been under the impression the major FA rumors were pipedreams, anyways so I am not disappointed that the clearing of cap space seems unlikely now. (Maybe the meeting with Durant is for next season assuming he does the 1&1 year deal with OKC)
Here you have the following:
1. Boris staying Spurs wish to keep him.
2. Timmy opts in.
3. Boban gets his QO, meaning Spurs intend to match offers for him within reason.
4. Bertans rumors of 2 years at 4 mill. He's paid higher than the minimum in Europe and has a $650k buyout. He's not coming here for the minimum.
5. All our first round stashes are likely coming over (LJC for sure, Milutinov declined to play for his national team in the Olympics!!! That is not peanuts Milutinov is leaving out there in terms of opportunities for personal growth and fun playing basketball in the olympic games, to show up for our summer league team. I tend to think Milutinov is at least at 50% or more probability to be picked up for next season, depending on the quality of his play. If Timmy is on the roster for next season, Milutinov is a potential minutes eater to spare Tim's body)
6. No moves to clear capspace during draft night despite rumors the Spurs were looking to move up in the draft aggressively, and all the rumors surrounding Danny Green.
Bottom line: We are rebuilding depth the old fashioned way, draft and develop. It seems next season is when we can add a significant FA.
Even the rumors about Pau don't make sense to me at this point.
For sure - now that I'm 99% sure players can get paid if they retire (in most scenarios - which is crazy to me) that does make sense. However, you would think SA could give him a "job" that pays him the same while giving the team cap space if retirement was known.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonight...you
Seems likely he's really torn
Maybe. But I don't know if I buy the unsure part. He's a smart guy and I'd imagine pretty in tune with the realistic options for who the Spurs can nab in Free Agency. He's also had a month+ to decide....Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I think him opting in signals that Timmy will be retiring within the next day or two.
If he opted out, it would have been a sure fire sign that he was coming back for one more season.
Why would he be meeting with Durant on Friday if he's retiring?Quote:
Originally Posted by tonight...you
Think McDyess. Yes, the team can still pay him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
He's coming back.
Not that I expect Durant to choose the spurs, but would they really send Duncan to the pitch meeting where he's gna tell KD that he's retiring and eating cap on his way out?
I hope they bring Milutinov over so he can learn a thing or two from Timmy.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs10
Move into an elder statesman role. Doesn't seem too weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ
What I want to know now is why didn't Manu do the same thing, given most indications that he would follow suit with whatever TD would do?
If Duncan retires (and gets paid), does that 6 million still count against the cap?
Is that for sure, or just a rumor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ
Maybe he, for sure, wants in for just one more year and locked the team into it.
I don't claim to know anything, myself. This is one deal that can go any way when it comes to conjecture and postulating.
Obviously this means one thing and one thing only: Timmy is playing another year
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Yessir. This will not be free money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud786
Muh nigga. :hatQuote:
Originally Posted by tonight...you
I know the team can still pay him (now), but do you think that is likely that SA would pay him for not working? What if they need that cap space?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I forgot what happened with McDyess.
Not too thrilled about Tim coming back since he looked washed up during the playoffs but the positive of this is that he won't be going into the hall of fame at the same time as Kobe.
I'm still not entirely sure what impact this has on our cap situation. What was his cap hold(if there was one) before he opted in?
I'm pretty sure Tim is gone. He knows he's done and I doubt he'll pull a Kobe and drag the Spurs down with him.
Why are their numbers so different from what we have? Is the 6.3M because of the Over 36 rule? In our cap scenarios Tim opting out gave the Spurs cap space, didn't restrict with 9M cap hold (unless we were assuming they renounce Tim and he takes the min).Quote:
Originally Posted by LakerHater
Ya - teams bring in retired stars all the time to recruit. Hakeem, Magic, etc...it's definitely a normal part of recruiting process for most teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
I mentioned before that this was the likeliest result of a one-plus-one deal. My guess is that the team planned for this. Of he retires, he'll be stretched if they need space. But it was always very likely that Tim and Manu were going to be paid to go retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Well this officially confirms Duncan will be on the plan to see KD...
Just the tip of the ice burg
Sounds like we are all in a giant cluster eff over here...Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I certainly hope RC and the FO aren't running around like headless chickens like we are.
I'm willing to bet conversations were made. Decisions happened and plans are in effect, as well as they can be made effective.
Shit... maybe I'm wrong and RC is half-naked, drunk in his front yard screaming at his wife to turn on the sprinklers full blast.
IT'S HOT AS HELL OVER HERE WOMAN!!!
They would have had to renounce both manu and tim to get those figures correct. those cap holds weren';t going anywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud786
It's quite possible.. RC tried calling Pop but he's already in bed and doesn't answer the phone after 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonight...you
Lol wtfQuote:
Originally Posted by tonight...you
How does him retiring make sense with the Durant meeting?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I think Timmy is coming back.
Timmy might just be pitching KD for next season.
I don't remember seeing your post on it being likely. I didn't think it was likely at all unless the logic was no way Tim was willing to chance playing for the minimum. That is the only scenario I can think of that made sense to exercise the option is if Tim was not willing to play for the min under any circumstance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
However, now learning that he can be stretched (did not know that, although I should have - retiring doesn't change that rule) it makes more sense as it's a small hit to the cap moving forward.
People are just completely ignoring that Duncan is supposed to be part of KD meeting...unless it's not true. Just haven't heard anybody dispute it. Him opting in kind of supports him being at the meetingQuote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Then why would Manu opt out? What if Tim does not retire, does the decision then not make any sense to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook