Marc Stein: Spurs to keep Diaw; interest in Conley "overstated"

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

You forgot Bonner.. he's already scheduled meetings with the Spurs, Subway and a Chevy dealership

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The anonymous big man free agent Alex Kennedy was talking about, tbh.

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Originally Posted by ceperez

That's more length and youth! Consider the impotence of Miller/West/Martin in the playoffs... any contribution from any of these 3 will be worth it.

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With the exceptions of the Big 3 and Kawhi, rookies don't get playing time under Pop. The only playoff experience Murray will get this year will be in Austin

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Forgot all about the weight incentive. I'm not a cap expert, I'm sure Chinook can answer :tu

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It really depends on the nature of the incentive when it was signed. If Diaw were under 254 pounds in 2014, then those incentives started off as likely to be earned, so they would have counted against the cap in 2015. Then provided he didn't meet the goal that season, they would have fallen off the cap for 2016 (meaning this most recent season, not this upcoming one). In addition to that, the Spurs would have gotten back the incentive for 2015.

Let's look at it this way. Say Diaw's deal was a flat $30M/4 deal that included an annual $500k weight clause. That clause started out as LtBE, but Diaw never met it. The cap hits would look like this:

2014-2015: $7.5 Million
2015-2016: $6.5 Million
2016-2017: $7 Million
2017-2018: $7 Million

Total payout is $28M/4 and flat from Diaw's perspective but divotted from that of the Spurs.

Anyway, according to Spotac, Diaw's incentives were always considered UtBE, so the team got back no cap space from him failing to meet those goals.

I will say, though, that they also list Diaw's salary for this upcoming season at $6.5 Million. So I don't know what's going on with the real numbers.

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So it seems that all incentives count toward the first year of the cap. So if the deal was basically as I had described, then it would look like that. However, if the inclusive cap hits looked like Spotrac says (8/7.5/7/7.5), then Diaw's cap hit is in fact only $6.5 Million. So that mostly balances out Tim's increased cap number, but the team still has about a quarter-million less than I expected them to.

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Originally Posted by Big Empty

Diaw is good for when we play Golden State and Cleveland. That's all we need him for and that's why he is still important.
That's who you will play in the wcf and nba championship. He's usefull when it matters not the regular season.

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He wasn't useful in OKC. When it mattered.

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Originally Posted by SpursforSix

He wasn't useful in OKC. When it mattered.

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Tiago wasn't useful in the Heat finals, but was invaluable in getting there. Some series are for certain role players, others aren't.

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Originally Posted by cjw

Tiago wasn't useful in the Heat finals, but was invaluable in getting there. Some series are for certain role players, others aren't.

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Sure. I agree with that. But Boris wasn't a significant piece of anything this season. And we never got to GSW or Cleveland.

Not unhappy Boris Diaw is returning.

His contributions are well documented, and he doesn't negatively affect the game by doing TOO much like a certain starting guard.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

It really depends on the nature of the incentive when it was signed. If Diaw were under 254 pounds in 2014, then those incentives started off as likely to be earned, so they would have counted against the cap in 2015. Then provided he didn't meet the goal that season, they would have fallen off the cap for 2016 (meaning this most recent season, not this upcoming one). In addition to that, the Spurs would have gotten back the incentive for 2015.

Let's look at it this way. Say Diaw's deal was a flat $30M/4 deal that included an annual $500k weight clause. That clause started out as LtBE, but Diaw never met it. The cap hits would look like this:

2014-2015: $7.5 Million
2015-2016: $6.5 Million
2016-2017: $7 Million
2017-2018: $7 Million

Total payout is $28M/4 and flat from Diaw's perspective but divotted from that of the Spurs.

Anyway, according to Spotac, Diaw's incentives were always considered UtBE, so the team got back no cap space from him failing to meet those goals.

I will say, though, that they also list Diaw's salary for this upcoming season at $6.5 Million. So I don't know what's going on with the real numbers.

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Same with Tims # & how it's being listed. I'm assuming it's over 36 Rule.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Same with Tims # & how it's being listed. I'm assuming it's over 36 Rule.

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The over-36 rule shouldn't apply to anyone except maybe Parker when he gets his inevitable extension next off-season. It's its own animal.

Anyway, it turns out that Tim did count for $6 Million last season, as all incentives, LtBE and UtBE alike count for the first season. But because the team had only won 55 games in 2014-2015, the incentive for Tim's contract didn't count for 2016-2017. However, the team met that incentive, so Tim's cap hit rose to meet the heightened expectations. This technically happens during the moratorium. So Tim's salary is actually $5.6 Million right now, but we all know it will be $6.4 Million by the time the Spurs can actually use cap space.

Well damn it :lol

Always was a Boris fan but can't root for him if he continues the TPark diet.

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Originally Posted by Dex

Spurstalk is in peak offseason form already, I see.

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This POS front office always ruins our chances of winning! :madrun

CIA Poop, tbh

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Originally Posted by TheGoldStandard

You forgot Bonner.. he's already scheduled meetings with the Spurs, Subway and a Chevy dealership

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Bonner and Boris should just go together and buy Subway. They could start making subs on croissants, and Boris could write off his massive food bill as advertising.

The comment above about sunk costs is right. The $3M was spent already, no matter what they did. So Boris will cost them "just" $4M this season. I just wish they could make his contract contingent on getting into shape. Boris has crazy skills and BBIQ, but he seriously got too fat and slow to put them to good use - especially against the kind of athletes he faces in the playoffs.

$4M for a fit Boris Diaw is a steal. Fat-ass Boris Diaw will only help bring playoff disappointment.

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Originally Posted by Big Empty

Diaw is good for when we play Golden State and Cleveland. That's all we need him for and that's why he is still important.
That's who you will play in the wcf and nba championship. He's usefull when it matters not the regular season.

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This.

He is our best Warrior Killer. Unfortunately we never made it to the series with the Warriors. As far as to why he wasn't used in the OKC series i'm not sure. I don't think it was simply because he was in the doghouse with Pop. For all we know he might have been dealing with some kind of undisclosed injury. Regardless of that who else are you going to replace him with at 4mil a year(which is whats still owed to him) for the same value. And this doesn't mess up trying to acquire Durant. You think the FO is that stupid? I'm sure they have it worked out on which pieces they will have to move in the case that Durant does want to sign with us.

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Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan

A 2 year/ $14 mil, with a fully non-guaranteed second year, is awesome value even for a fat Boris. Just watch the likes of Lin and Gordon get 8 figure deals over multiple seasons.

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And the talk with Noah getting 28million :lmao 7 million will seem cheap soon.

Timmys decline may just be his knee, if he recovers he should be fine. Give LMA another year in the system and maybe Green can work better with him. Kawhi will improve even more. We will be fine.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Let me guess, Bonner is coming back too right?

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Does anyone really believe that Bonner isn't coming back?

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Originally Posted by timtonymanu

Always was a Boris fan but can't root for him if he continues the TPark diet.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

This POS front office always ruins our chances of winning! :madrun

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Spurs aren't going anywhere with two massively declining starters (Duncan and Parker), a bonehead shooting guard that occasionally hits 3's and a trashy bench consisting of Diaw, Ginobili, Mills. LJC, Boban, Anderson, Simmons and Lorbek. With whatever little cap space they have left, they'll probably piss it all away on David West. For the second year in row, Spurs will lose the championship in the offseason.

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It's just easier to say you're an idiot if you think the Spurs lost the Championship last offseason. 67 wins was screwed by shitting coaching and getting absolutely NOTHING from EVERYONE not named LaMarcus or Kawhi in the OKC series. Mofuckinron.

Yes because Gordis is a very hardworking player he even brings his Nespresso machine to practices and games, what else?

I figure that they would keep Diaw. I bet the front office put in his contract a clause that said, "if by some chance Boris becomes morbidly obese, the Spurs organization will kindly foot the bill for liposuction and plastic surgery to remove all the excess loose skin." If I was Diaw, I would have signed that contract too. Can't blame the guy.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

The one that won 5 rings in 15 years? Go find another team.

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you're both exaggerating. FO has been sound in moves they make, they don't hit them all but they built a culture. its the only team thats keeping the nba from nothing more than and and1 mixtape...ooh baby. on the other end, FO has made some ridiculous moves. I don't think boris would be motivated by anything, but realistically, whats the other player SA could definitely get for the price that isn't a loser, and has talent??

I'm not upset by this. I like the idea of a contract year Boris, plus this free agent class isnt that great to justify the stupid money some players are gonna get.

See where KD is at, but then operate above the cap when he says no. Focus on developing the 3 rookies, Anderson, and dleague prospects.

MLE - Pau (if Tim retires); west/Boban (if not)

LLE (whatever it's called now) -
Bertans

bird - Manu
Rookie exception - Murray
Rookie exception - LJC

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Originally Posted by tholdren

you're both exaggerating. FO has been sound in moves they make, they don't hit them all but they built a culture. its the only team thats keeping the nba from nothing more than and and1 mixtape...ooh baby. on the other end, FO has made some ridiculous moves. I don't think boris would be motivated by anything, but realistically, whats the other player SA could definitely get for the price that isn't a loser, and has talent??

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FO has made some poor moves, as has every other FO in the NBA. My point is that Spurs' FO hits more often than not, and has made some absolutely brilliant moves which brought us a ridiculous 5 rings in 15 years, yet somehow some people still want to pretend they're crap? I think those people should fuck off and adopt another team. I despise ingratitude.

None of that was aimed at you, btw. :)