Yeah.. the Spurs are just going to wait out this Free Agency

$24 million/yr for Batum :lol
$25.6 million/yr for Beal :lol
$16 million/yr for Mozgov :lol

No way the frugal Spurs will go out shopping for free agents. They might splurge on Gasol if Duncan retires but that's about it. Everything about the management's history says they'll just search for remaining bargains. That's why they're trying to pull in cheap rookies from their Euro pipeline. Too bad they didn't draft too well in the last 4 years.

That Clarkson deal for 12.5 million/year was pretty good though. But even if the Spurs offered that, the Lakers would have just matched.

Looks like you are right. Another year of kyle F-ing Anderson checking in to play and everyone on the court acting like it's ok.

The only one I see as a possibility now is Pau... I think he'd actually want to finish his career with an organization like the Spurs.

I'm just waiting for Bonner to sign a new deal.

The Salary cap is going to go up next year, so salaries are only going to go higher in the foreseeable future...

Mahinmi might be a possibility now that the Pacers blew some space signing Jefferson.

Then again if Mozgov can get $16 million/year, Mahinmi is going to get paid.

We'll probably ended up with a desperate Dwight Howard for eight million a year.

Yeah this is definitely turning out to be a bad year to want to sign valuable rotation pieces. If It's going to take 12-18 a year to sign a Mozgov or a Bazemore, I would rather just wait for a candidate to max out next year.

Old players, young overlooked UFA's, and overseas guys are what's for dinner. Teams that are dishing out 20+ a year long contracts to guys somewhere between Danny Green and All-Star are making a huge mistake.

Come home, Pau.

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Joking aside, I wish he'd get over himself and play for the Spurs for "cheap".

I agree two years from now teams are going to be kicking themselves for giving out these crazy contracts

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The Salary cap is going to go up next year, so salaries are only going to go higher in the foreseeable future...

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90% of the league won't have max cap space next year like they do this year though.

The Spurs are waiting for Durant, as are LAC and GS. We have no idea what they're going to do with however much money they have until after that gets settled.

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The Spurs are waiting for Durant, as are LAC and GS. We have no idea what they're going to do with however much money they have until after that gets settled.

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Do you see SA staying over the cap as possible/likely?

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90% of the league won't have max cap space next year like they do this year though.

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They might.

This year is the ultimate sellers market. Almost every team in the league has max cap space while the talent pool of free agents is two inches deep after Durant.

Wait it out this year and let all these teams blow their money on rotation players. Next year we'll be first in line for the max guys

I'm fine with bringing back a 67 win team with maybe an MLE signing for the bench if Tim and Manu return.

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Do you see SA staying over the cap as possible/likely?

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I don't think it's likely, actually. They have to try to do so, as they are only over because the MLE and LLE count against the cap along with the other holds and salaries. Lot of it hinges on Boban. If he leaves, I think they go under. If he stays, they might stay over, as there really isn't enough cap space then to justify anything.

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90% of the league won't have max cap space next year like they do this year though.

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You'd be surprised. Especially teams that have room for two maxes now (or close to it). If they don't spend it all (which will be tough) and guys on their current roster expire, they are right back to having a max slot.

As well they should. Paying Tim Duncan to retire is a far better deal than all these big man contracts getting thrown around.

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I don't think it's likely, actually. They have to try to do so, as they are only over because the MLE and LLE count against the cap along with the other holds and salaries. Lot of it hinges on Boban. If he leaves, I think they go under. If he stays, they might stay over, as there really isn't enough cap space then to justify anything.

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I was just making some assumptions that if Tim retires and this market they are going to keep Boban which leads me to believe they are staying over unless a FA gives them a reason to get rid of the cap holds/Boban.

To put everything in perspective, JERRYD FUCKING BAYLESS is gettiing NINE MILLION a year!!! with his new contract. No way in HELL should the Spurs enter into this psychotic frenzy. This isn't overspending, this is the entire league going full-retard. No thanks. Stand pat.

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You'd be surprised. Especially teams that have room for two maxes now (or close to it). If they don't spend it all (which will be tough) and guys on their current roster expire, they are right back to having a max slot.

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I expect a lot of teams to have max capspace when the cap goes up $16 million again, but virtually the entire league like is the case this year?

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To put everything in perspective, JERRYD FUCKING BAYLESS is gettiing NINE MILLION a year!!! with his new contract. No way in HELL should the Spurs enter into this psychotic frenzy. This isn't overspending, this is the entire league going full-retard. No thanks. Stand pat.

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Don't look at the dollar amount - it's relative to size of cap. Look at fit, talent, etc.. Then look at the equivalent of what that salary should be compared to last year. Doesn't mean guys aren't getting overpaid even with that mindset, but it's important.

But comparatively & raw dollars, yeah, so many guys getting mega rich.

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To put everything in perspective, JERRYD FUCKING BAYLESS is gettiing NINE MILLION a year!!! with his new contract. No way in HELL should the Spurs enter into this psychotic frenzy. This isn't overspending, this is the entire league going full-retard. No thanks. Stand pat.

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Bayless at $9 million per isn't bad. Mozgov at $16 million per is an unreal level of retarded though.

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I expect a lot of teams to have max capspace when the cap goes up $16 million again, but virtually the entire league like is the case this year?

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Look at how many teams have cap space. They will sign a lot of that just to get to 85M floor but many won't make it far beyond that floor + guys coming off books next year + cap jump.

I haven't looked at every team's situation but there should be a lot of teams that have at least a max slot next year with little to no effort it looks like.

Mozgov's agent must have had video of Jimmy plowing Jeannie on top of Dr Buss' grave or something to extract that $64 million contract out of Fredo.

Interesting..everyone is making it seem like the Durant meeting is just to set foundation for next summer. If that was the case, why would the Spurs wait until after the meeting to make any moves?

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Interesting..everyone is making it seem like the Durant meeting is just to set foundation for next summer. If that was the case, why would the Spurs wait until after the meeting to make any moves?

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In the off case it's not for next year and he's ready to say yes now. There's no one out there (look at all the main FA's that re-signed at max with their own teams, which is expected 90% of the time) that they have to rush for.

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Don't look at the dollar amount - it's relative to size of cap. Look at fit, talent, etc.. Then look at the equivalent of what that salary should be compared to last year. Doesn't mean guys aren't getting overpaid even with that mindset, but it's important.

But comparatively & raw dollars, yeah, so many guys getting mega rich.

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I think each generation has trouble comprehending salary growth... Today, every 3rd string player makes significantly more than Bill Russell did in his prime, which is kind of mind-blowing!

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In the off case it's not for next year and he's ready to say yes now. There's no one out there (look at all the main FA's that re-signed at max with their own teams, which is expected 90% of the time) that they have to rush for.

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Makes sense.

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I think each generation has trouble comprehending salary growth... Today, every 3rd string player makes significantly more than Bill Russell did in his prime, which is kind of mind-blowing!

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Yup! I just read that Whiteside, despite barely being in the league is making than Jordan did his entire career with his new contract :wow

By the way, bleacher report saying that KD can make the most with the Spurs next season of all the teams he's meeting with

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Yup! I just read that Whiteside, despite barely being in the league is making than Jordan did his entire career with his new contract :wow

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Mozgov will make more money on his contract than Kareem did his entire career with the Lakers and that is ADJUSTED for inflation. :wow

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I think each generation has trouble comprehending salary growth... Today, every 3rd string player makes significantly more than Bill Russell did in his prime, which is kind of mind-blowing!

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Bill Russell's highest yearly salary was $100,001, adjusted for inflation is around $600k. Michael Jordan still got paid, his highest salary was $33 million is final year in Chicago. The NBA is approaching a max that is worth MJ.

My guess is they are waiting to see what happens with Durant before making any signings, trades, etc if there is to be any. Pau Gasol definitely seems very likely to sign with the Spurs.

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By the way, bleacher report saying that KD can make the most with the Spurs next season of all the teams he's meeting with

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O saw that. More than OKC. Interesting.

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I was just making some assumptions that if Tim retires and this market they are going to keep Boban which leads me to believe they are staying over unless a FA gives them a reason to get rid of the cap holds/Boban.

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The Spurs will need cap space to give Boban a deal that exceeds the MLE. They may well go under to lock in favorable terms.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if we sit out this offseason with no trades or signings (though I do think we will get Pau) we aren't going to win a championship next year. I haven't been on here much lately, but in my opinion the loss to the Thunder wasn't just a loss. A lot of things about us got exposed in that series, such as our real lack of shooting, lack of athleticism at pretty much every position besides Kawhi and to an extent DG, and no good center next to Tim. Obviously it'd be difficult to address all of those things in one offseason, but if we don't address any of those problems, we will be a pretender next year.

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That is coming soon...... You know it. Some fan boys will defend that move too.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but if we sit out this offseason with no trades or signings (though I do think we will get Pau) we aren't going to win a championship next year. I haven't been on here much lately, but in my opinion the loss to the Thunder wasn't just a loss. A lot of things about us got exposed in that series, such as our real lack of shooting, lack of athleticism at pretty much every position besides Kawhi and to an extent DG, and no good center next to Tim. Obviously it'd be difficult to address all of those things in one offseason, but if we don't address any of those problems, we will be a pretender next year.

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57-58 wins probably and 2nd round exit is their ceiling IMO with this team, which is not bad but for those who want a title not enough.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but if we sit out this offseason with no trades or signings (though I do think we will get Pau) we aren't going to win a championship next year.

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So? The Spurs aren't supposed to win a championship every season. That's not how it works.

But you better believe they'll be damn good and worth watching.

This offseason will be a great case study in market inefficiencies. Teams need to take advantage of the colossal mistake the league made in not adjusting the rookie scale. Sign your promising internationals, take a flier on a extra rookie, target "young vets" who haven't found the right fit elsewhere. This is one of the rare years when carrying multiple rookies is a sound strategy for Spurs. The end of the team's bench should be filled with Murray, Bertans, LJC, Ndoye, and Hanga, or some such combination. Even useless vets, like Andre Miller and Rasual Butler, will make too much this offseason. It's stupid to carry those sort of players on one's roster this year.

There is no way Timofey Mozgov is worth his contract, especially, as Kevin Pelton reported, because it effectively cost the Lakers two-max status next summer. I doubt the Spurs would make that kind of mistake, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed they don't lose site of long term planning and commit a similar mistake of lesser degree.

This summer will likely work in San Antonio's favor, especially relative to free agency 2017. But in the short term, eating a year developing, say, Milutinov at rookie scale vs. spending on a player whom ultimately doesn't add more than a win to your record and won't move any dial in the postseason, is a no brainer. There is no question in my mind than Milutinov on a rookie deal is much better for Spurs, or any organization, than Mozgov at 4 yrs/64MM.

If I were the 76ers, I would not even worry about the salary floor. The penalty for missing the floor is so much less severe than spending foolishly on a multi-year commitment. If they can sign Crabbe or Barnes (I think he's mediocre, but whatever) to a deal, then do it. But otherwise, focus on Embiid and Simmons and Saric and Luwawu. Over the balance of the next decade, their franchise will be much better for it.

Getting Durant is still the best possible outcome for the Spurs, but otherwise returning a 67 win team with some tweaks is not so bad. The Spurs will have to catch a break (injury to Thunder or Warriors) and see a career year from someone like Green or get great minutes from Boban or a rookie, in order to win title, but those odds are so much better for Spurs than over spending on an end of rotation player.

San Antonio is in a can't lose position for the offseason. The franchise either wins small or it wins big, but the front office won't look back to rue July 1, 2016. And Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard's contract look like masterstrokes in retrospect. Two of the best contracts in the league. Kawhi's contract is probably only rivaled by Curry's deal. Parker's deal even looks really strong right now. Here's to the Spurs just not fucking things ups.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but if we sit out this offseason with no trades or signings (though I do think we will get Pau) we aren't going to win a championship next year. I haven't been on here much lately, but in my opinion the loss to the Thunder wasn't just a loss. A lot of things about us got exposed in that series, such as our real lack of shooting, lack of athleticism at pretty much every position besides Kawhi and to an extent DG, and no good center next to Tim. Obviously it'd be difficult to address all of those things in one offseason, but if we don't address any of those problems, we will be a pretender next year.

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I don't see what the Spurs can do to improve.

1. Parker's contract + loyalty to not salary dump him stops the Spurs from clearing any real space.
2. Duncan opted in, Spurs can't control that. Even if they could, they should let Duncan do whatever he wants. This further restricts cap space.
3. Free agency class are getting overpaid and most of the good FA's are restricted. Can't even remember a time where the Spurs tried to outbid for a RFA.

There's no real way to clear cap space available and even if they can clear $15-20 million, at best they can add one solid rotation player for that much. That's why they opted to keep Diaw, and extended a restricted offer to Boban. They might even re-sign West but the Spurs should let him walk if he wants more than a 1 year deal. They also called in their draft and stashes.

Just got to hope Boban, Simmons, and one of Bertans/LJC/KA become good bench players (not getting my hopes up, all 3 look bad). But Boban, Simmons, Mills, and a retained Ginobili + Diaw is still a respectable bench. All improvement will have to come from the players we already have though. There's not going to much outside help coming.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've already talked to the FA's they have interest in. Probably spoke to Pau as soon as they could.

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This offseason will be a great case study in market inefficiencies. Teams need to take advantage of the colossal mistake the league made in not adjusting the rookie scale. Sign your promising internationals, take a flier on a extra rookie, target "young vets" who haven't found the right fit elsewhere. This is one of the rare years when carrying multiple rookies is a sound strategy for Spurs. The end of the team's bench should be filled with Murray, Bertans, LJC, Ndoye, and Hanga, or some such combination. Even useless vets, like Andre Miller and Rasual Butler, will make too much this offseason. It's stupid to carry those sort of players on one's roster this year.

There is no way Timofey Mozgov is worth his contract, especially, as Kevin Pelton reported, because it effectively cost the Lakers two-max status next summer. I doubt the Spurs would make that kind of mistake, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed they don't lose site of long term planning and commit a similar mistake of lesser degree.

This summer will likely work in San Antonio's favor, especially relative to free agency 2017. But in the short term, eating a year developing, say, Milutinov at rookie scale vs. spending on a player whom ultimately doesn't add more than a win to your record and won't move any dial in the postseason, is a no brainer. There is no question in my mind than Milutinov on a rookie deal is much better for Spurs, or any organization, than Mozgov at 4 yrs/64MM.

If I were the 76ers, I would not even worry about the salary floor. The penalty for missing the floor is so much less severe than spending foolishly on a multi-year commitment. If they can sign Crabbe or Barnes (I think he's mediocre, but whatever) to a deal, then do it. But otherwise, focus on Embiid and Simmons and Saric and Luwawu. Over the balance of the next decade, their franchise will be much better for it.

Getting Durant is still the best possible outcome for the Spurs, but otherwise returning a 67 win team with some tweaks is not so bad. The Spurs will have to catch a break (injury to Thunder or Warriors) and see a career year from someone like Green or get great minutes from Boban or a rookie, in order to win title, but those odds are so much better for Spurs than over spending on an end of rotation player.

San Antonio is in a can't lose position for the offseason. The franchise either wins small or it wins big, but the front office won't look back to rue July 1, 2016. And Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard's contract look like masterstrokes in retrospect. Two of the best contracts in the league. Kawhi's contract is probably only rivaled by Curry's deal. Parker's deal even looks really strong right now. Here's to the Spurs just not fucking things ups.

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I agree with everything you said with one caveat....The 76ers shouldn't just save their money. Yes, they should focus on the rooks and young guys and yes they should make offers that will probably be matched to Crabbe and Barnes but, after that they should spend money on solid vets that can show those rooks how to be professionals and help develop them. They just need to keep the contract length to 3 years or less so those contract will be coming off the books at the same time that the young guys are stepping up and due extensions.

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This offseason will be a great case study in market inefficiencies. Teams need to take advantage of the colossal mistake the league made in not adjusting the rookie scale. Sign your promising internationals, take a flier on a extra rookie, target "young vets" who haven't found the right fit elsewhere. This is one of the rare years when carrying multiple rookies is a sound strategy for Spurs. The end of the team's bench should be filled with Murray, Bertans, LJC, Ndoye, and Hanga, or some such combination. Even useless vets, like Andre Miller and Rasual Butler, will make too much this offseason. It's stupid to carry those sort of players on one's roster this year.

There is no way Timofey Mozgov is worth his contract, especially, as Kevin Pelton reported, because it effectively cost the Lakers two-max status next summer. I doubt the Spurs would make that kind of mistake, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed they don't lose site of long term planning and commit a similar mistake of lesser degree.

This summer will likely work in San Antonio's favor, especially relative to free agency 2017. But in the short term, eating a year developing, say, Milutinov at rookie scale vs. spending on a player whom ultimately doesn't add more than a win to your record and won't move any dial in the postseason, is a no brainer. There is no question in my mind than Milutinov on a rookie deal is much better for Spurs, or any organization, than Mozgov at 4 yrs/64MM.

If I were the 76ers, I would not even worry about the salary floor. The penalty for missing the floor is so much less severe than spending foolishly on a multi-year commitment. If they can sign Crabbe or Barnes (I think he's mediocre, but whatever) to a deal, then do it. But otherwise, focus on Embiid and Simmons and Saric and Luwawu. Over the balance of the next decade, their franchise will be much better for it.

Getting Durant is still the best possible outcome for the Spurs, but otherwise returning a 67 win team with some tweaks is not so bad. The Spurs will have to catch a break (injury to Thunder or Warriors) and see a career year from someone like Green or get great minutes from Boban or a rookie, in order to win title, but those odds are so much better for Spurs than over spending on an end of rotation player.

San Antonio is in a can't lose position for the offseason. The franchise either wins small or it wins big, but the front office won't look back to rue July 1, 2016. And Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard's contract look like masterstrokes in retrospect. Two of the best contracts in the league. Kawhi's contract is probably only rivaled by Curry's deal. Parker's deal even looks really strong right now. Here's to the Spurs just not fucking things ups.

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Excellent post. We had our Christmas last year with getting LMA and putting Kawhi and Danny on favorable contracts. Now flesh out the roster with cheap young ones (mostly foreign picks) and let them grow. We'll be very good and if GSW or the Thunder (if Durant returns) or Cavs stumble we'll probably be right there. If not in a year or two, if any of these guys pan out, we may become the favorites again. During the days of Kobe-Shaq Lakers and the Heatles that's how it worked. Spurs kept themselves really good and when those guys stumbled they were there to capitalize. That's probably how its going to be for a year or three. Short of getting Durant we're not the favorite. And given that Durant and Curry both have a history of injuries I'd say we have a damn good chance of returning to the Finals sometime in the next 3 years. That puts ahead of all but 2 or 3 teams in the league.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they've already talked to the FA's they have interest in. Probably spoke to Pau is soon as they could.

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Absolutely - these players know nothing happens until KD meetings. There is probably offered already tee'd up in the event KD is a no go and there is mutual interest.

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Short of getting Durant we're not the favorite. And given that Durant and Curry both have a history of injuries I'd say we have a damn good chance of returning to the Finals sometime in the next 3 years. That puts ahead of all but 2 or 3 teams in the league.

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Totally agree with this.

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They just need to keep the contract length to 3 years or less so those contract will be coming off the books at the same time that the young guys are stepping up and due extensions.

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This is probably right. The Bayless contract is right in line with your thinking here. My contention is just that you might miss salary floor, even if you spend. Don't sign a guy to a big number, unless it's a one year deal, in order to miss the floor. The floor isn't a big deal.

If I were the 76ers, I'd offer contracts to Barnes and Crabbe and then wait and try like hell to absorb old, good contracts, like Bogut or Green and Diaw.

Here's some of the potential 2017 Free Agents:

Stephen Curry, LeBron James (if he signs another one-year deal this summer), Blake Griffin, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Serge Ibaka, Paul Millsap, Gordon Hayward, Greg Monroe, Derrick Rose, Rudy Gay, Andrew Bogut, Jrue Holiday, Danilo Gallinari, Andre Iguodala, J.J. Redick, Taj Gibson and George Hill among many others.

Get Pau and Dudley and call it an offseason, tbh.

I've been saying this all month, tbh..

It's not the money that has me concerned, though..it's the shitty options that aren't worth long-term commitments..

:lol today's NBA

When I was in primary school, I won dodgeball at every recess by hiding way back in a corner and letting the majority of the contestants eliminate one another. I'd engage once the game was down to a few players on each side. Competition is for losers, right?

I think of primary school dodgeball in moments like this and on draft nights when the Spurs most successful and proven strategy is simply to sit back and let 20 or 25 other teams fuck themselves, then enter the fray and capitalize on some obvious collective mistake.

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Here's some of the potential 2017 Free Agents:

Stephen Curry, LeBron James (if he signs another one-year deal this summer), Blake Griffin, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Serge Ibaka, Paul Millsap, Gordon Hayward, Greg Monroe, Derrick Rose, Rudy Gay, Andrew Bogut, Jrue Holiday, Danilo Gallinari, Andre Iguodala, J.J. Redick, Taj Gibson and George Hill among many others.

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So Spurs spend like 20 mil on George Hill? lol.. None of those guys are gonna want to play here. Maybe Gallinari Gibson but nah they'll get super over paid by someone.

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So Spurs spend like 20 mil on George Hill? lol.. None of those guys are gonna want to play here. Maybe Gallinari Gibson but nah they'll get super over paid by someone.

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I thought the whole "No premium free-agent will ever want to come to San Antonio" schtick died once and for all when LA signed last summer.

The 2017 class everyone is talking is as good as this one. I don't know where all the "let's wait crap" came from. You're saying you rather have mouthpiece over Durant? Please

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I thought the whole "No premium free-agent will ever want to come to San Antonio" schtick died once and for all when LA signed last summer.

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LMA was a special case.. Texas ties, close to his kid, family and quiet guy.. money was still gonna be decent, Spurs looked like they were a piece away from another title run. In most cases the players that will be free agents next season are gonna stay put and collect monster cash or teams are going to overspend and offer insane deals. Out of the lot a good number of those players are not in the Spurs mold either.

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This offseason will be a great case study in market inefficiencies. Teams need to take advantage of the colossal mistake the league made in not adjusting the rookie scale. Sign your promising internationals, take a flier on a extra rookie, target "young vets" who haven't found the right fit elsewhere. This is one of the rare years when carrying multiple rookies is a sound strategy for Spurs. The end of the team's bench should be filled with Murray, Bertans, LJC, Ndoye, and Hanga, or some such combination. Even useless vets, like Andre Miller and Rasual Butler, will make too much this offseason. It's stupid to carry those sort of players on one's roster this year.

There is no way Timofey Mozgov is worth his contract, especially, as Kevin Pelton reported, because it effectively cost the Lakers two-max status next summer. I doubt the Spurs would make that kind of mistake, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed they don't lose site of long term planning and commit a similar mistake of lesser degree.

This summer will likely work in San Antonio's favor, especially relative to free agency 2017. But in the short term, eating a year developing, say, Milutinov at rookie scale vs. spending on a player whom ultimately doesn't add more than a win to your record and won't move any dial in the postseason, is a no brainer. There is no question in my mind than Milutinov on a rookie deal is much better for Spurs, or any organization, than Mozgov at 4 yrs/64MM.

If I were the 76ers, I would not even worry about the salary floor. The penalty for missing the floor is so much less severe than spending foolishly on a multi-year commitment. If they can sign Crabbe or Barnes (I think he's mediocre, but whatever) to a deal, then do it. But otherwise, focus on Embiid and Simmons and Saric and Luwawu. Over the balance of the next decade, their franchise will be much better for it.

Getting Durant is still the best possible outcome for the Spurs, but otherwise returning a 67 win team with some tweaks is not so bad. The Spurs will have to catch a break (injury to Thunder or Warriors) and see a career year from someone like Green or get great minutes from Boban or a rookie, in order to win title, but those odds are so much better for Spurs than over spending on an end of rotation player.

San Antonio is in a can't lose position for the offseason. The franchise either wins small or it wins big, but the front office won't look back to rue July 1, 2016. And Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard's contract look like masterstrokes in retrospect. Two of the best contracts in the league. Kawhi's contract is probably only rivaled by Curry's deal. Parker's deal even looks really strong right now. Here's to the Spurs just not fucking things ups.

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Great post. This does seem like a cut bait year for the Spurs. Plan more for the future.

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When I was in primary school, I won dodgeball at every recess by hiding way back in a corner and letting the majority of the contestants eliminate one another. I'd engage once the game was down to a few players on each side. Competition is for losers, right?

I think of primary school dodgeball in moments like this and on draft nights when the Spurs most successful and proven strategy is simply to sit back and let 20 or 25 other teams fuck themselves, then enter the fray and capitalize on some obvious collective mistake.

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Not that my opinion matters, but I approve of this analogy. :bobo

Spurs are going to have a bunch of players that will be playing extra-hard to cash in as much as possible, tbh..

Aldridge and Kawhi are locked in and would get theirs regardless(due to their status as stars), but the rest of the team is going to be in $$$ mode, particularly Parker, Diaw, Mills and the unproven guys(Anderson, Simmons, etc)..

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Spurs are going to have a bunch of players that will be playing extra-hard to cash in as much as possible, tbh..

Aldridge and Kawhi are locked in and would get theirs regardless(due to their status as stars), but the rest of the team is going to be in $$$ mode, particularly Parker, Diaw, Mills and the unproven guys(Anderson, Simmons, etc)..

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Not to mention assorted foreign guys who know they're a couple of years away from life-altering income.

Locking up Kawhi and Danny at what are now good contracts and getting LMA. RC was in the zone last year.... This year, by default, will be more quiet (unless Durant falls from the sky).

I mean this guy isn't even as good as Kyle Anderson.

:lol Evan Turner's deal
:lol Mozgov's deal
:lol Bucks paying a 3rd string PG who can't shoot 10/year
:lol all the shit teams with money to spend are shooting themselves in the foot right out of the gate

Parker's contract not looking so bad anymore. With the cap going up again next year, even Kyle Anderson will be making 15 mil a year

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Originally Posted by 313

With the cap going up again next year, even Kyle Anderson will be making 15 mil a year

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Well yeah, Solomon Hill is basically Kyle Anderson statistically and he's making $13 million a year. I have never seen an offseason anywhere like this one.

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Originally Posted by Brian Windhorst

Yeah this is definitely turning out to be a bad year to want to sign valuable rotation pieces. If It's going to take 12-18 a year to sign a Mozgov or a Bazemore, I would rather just wait for a candidate to max out next year.

Old players, young overlooked UFA's, and overseas guys are what's for dinner. Teams that are dishing out 20+ a year long contracts to guys somewhere between Danny Green and All-Star are making a huge mistake.

Come home, Pau.

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This.

if we can get TD to stay, get Pau, or hopefully both, then it will be a good offseason imo. Looking at all these terrible deals makes me appreciate that the Spurs think more big picture and can be very frugal at times.

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Originally Posted by Tully365

I think each generation has trouble comprehending salary growth... Today, every 3rd string player makes significantly more than Bill Russell did in his prime, which is kind of mind-blowing!

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Each generation doesn't get salary growth,

because so few actually get it.

Only 1% of the population,

including pro athlete lucky bastards,

ever even sniff salary growth.

So you'll have to forgive the 99% our ignorance.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Mozgov's agent must have had video of Jimmy plowing Jeannie on top of Dr Buss' grave or something to extract that $64 million contract out of Fredo.

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:rollin :rollin :rollin

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Originally Posted by Brian Windhorst

:lol Evan Turner's deal
:lol Mozgov's deal
:lol Bucks paying a 3rd string PG who can't shoot 10/year
:lol all the shit teams with money to spend are shooting themselves in the foot right out of the gate

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:lol Today's NBA

it's as if the NBA went from keynesianism to neoliberalism overnight.

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Originally Posted by rjv

it's as if the NBA went from keynesianism to neoliberalism overnight.

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Originally Posted by HI-FI

This.

if we can get TD to stay, get Pau, or hopefully both, then it will be a good offseason imo. Looking at all these terrible deals makes me appreciate that the Spurs think more big picture and can be very frugal at times.

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agree

These free agents demanding a ridiculous amount of cash wouldn't hurt us so bad if we didn't strike out in the draft every year since the Kawhi trade

I always think back on a George Karl interview I saw years ago where he joked that if you ask NBA scouts & coaches, they'll tell you there are about 15 max players in the league-- but if you ask agents, they'll tell you there are 40 or 50.

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Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop

I thought the whole "No premium free-agent will ever want to come to San Antonio" schtick died once and for all when LA signed last summer.

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It did. The same with David West forgoing 12 mill for his vet minimum here. The Spurs are also one of a handful of teams able to go after this year's best FA. That "None of those guys are gonna want to play here" is filled with hatorade and wrong.

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Originally Posted by DJR210

These free agents demanding a ridiculous amount of cash wouldn't hurt us so bad if we didn't strike out in the draft every year since the Kawhi trade

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this is sarcasm right?

What's funny is all these teams keep spending money and nothing ever comes of it.
We spend wisely and keep winning regular season games, division titles, playoff series, conference championships , finals champions and earning respect along the way.
So no worries about missing out on big names, just sign a Pau Gasol , trade for a Ricky Rubio, bring over Davis Bertan and Livio Jean Charles, draft Dejountay Murray, sign Bryn Forbes and Ryan Arcidicono, develope D leauge players and continue the " Commitment to Excellence " and leave the NBA scratching its head.
GO SPURS GO

Batum even took a big discount.

This is exactly as expected - massive overpays for mediocrity. Spurs sitting it out is exactly what we want to see. :tu

Best deal so far is definitely Clarkson.

Another year of Bonner. Woot. Woot.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

This is exactly as expected - massive overpays for mediocrity. Spurs sitting it out is exactly what we want to see. :tu

Best deal so far is definitely Clarkson.

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Yes on both counts. Anybody we had a realistic chance at is still on the board. Plus we may get to figure in as a third-team trade-facilitator when we get deeper into free agency. The Clarkson deal is a little hard to figure. Why wouldn't he wait and see if another team would tender an offer before accepting an early deal with LA?

Insane.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Spurs are going to have a bunch of players that will be playing extra-hard to cash in as much as possible, tbh..

Aldridge and Kawhi are locked in and would get theirs regardless(due to their status as stars), but the rest of the team is going to be in $$$ mode, particularly Parker, Diaw, Mills and the unproven guys(Anderson, Simmons, etc)..

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Agree. I actually think both Anderson and Simmons are underrated by different camps in here. I am sure if not for Manu both would have played a lot more and Kyle can ball. He kept our team afloat with Manu and Tim injuries. With Evan Turner getting overpaid simply bc he can make plays from the forward spot, ppl here don't even know what they have bc he's 22, was played off the ball and Pop did not use him optimally. And Simmons, his camp/fans are crazy about his athletic ability and he's desperate at this point. He's going to be 27 and his game absolutely depends on him being an elite athlete. He's got to cash in on that athleticism and make a difference this season. He could really blow up for us if he fixes just a few deficient areas. He's in the perfect situation for his game too bc he's surrounded by supremely talented and unselfish passers in the bench, who will enhance his cutting, slashing and lob catching abilities. I expect both these guys to have great seasons. I imagine Simmons is looking at Bazemore's contract and thinking he can be just as good if he worked hard. Bazemore blew up in the NBA in the span of one season when he had the opportunity to play.

I am actually less sold on Mills, Diaw, Parker bc there is not much upside there. Diaw can be motivated and competitive when he wants to, but he's under contract with a cheap team option the season after this one. I would expect one of our new forwards to continue to push him outside of the rotation. Anderson, Bertans, LJC will push him if he coasts through the season. He's not completely free to leave and I am expecting him in deferral state to youngsters honestly. He's lucky Anderson doesn't want to be all trigger happy with the 3. He is only a reliable 3 away from making Diaw expendable. I know Diaw posts up and has a different kind of game, but if the Spurs pay Boban, they don't need Diaw as much. Boban already plays inside and both Anderson and Bertans fit better and if there is a matchup with a forward that is bullying them, there is LJC in the bench.

Mills is the one who has to be hungry bc he's never gotten a good payday and Tony, well, I think at least he will do whatever Pop wants. Murray is super raw and he appears to need to learn how to play. I see him kind of like a Lavine. Lavine came into the league without even knowing how to play, super skinny, super young and was terrible his first season. One of the worst guards in the league if I am not mistaken. Super athletic and skinny but didn't know how to play pro ball. I see Murray about the same except he will learn how to play in the dleague, but he will push both Patty and Tony IMO. Tony can't be all chillax.

Our biggest upside is in the younger unproven guys. I just wish we got word we are adding a big to this group like Milutinov or Cady... but we may run out of roster spots.

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Originally Posted by BatManu20

Insane.

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What the fudge?!

Supposedly, Atlanta wants to move Splitter for the cap space to keep the Horford dream alive or something like that. He'd slot right into the team's project cap space. Would be amenable to bringing him back, especially if Tim is also returning.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Supposedly, Atlanta wants to move Splitter for the cap space to keep the Horford dream alive or something like that. He'd slot right into the team's project cap space. Would be amenable to bringing him back, especially if Tim is also returning.

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I'd take him back in a second, so long as there's some provision that the Spurs can cut him loose for nothing if his health problems persist.

:lmao Mike Conley's contract. Holy shit.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

I'd take him back in a second, so long as there's some provision that the Spurs can cut him loose for nothing if his health problems persist.

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Dude's not giving up $8 Million bucks. Best you could hope for is the most comprehensive physical ever.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Dude's not giving up $8 Million bucks. Best you could hope for is the most comprehensive physical ever.

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And that's probably a decent gamble if he passes it.

I don't understand what Atlanta is doing... if they're trying to keep Horford, does this mean that they try to move Millsap to SF? If Millsap starts at PF, then what is the pitch to Horford-- re-sign with us and come off of the bench? I have to think Horford is headed to Boston or OKC... I hope it's Boston.

Is it really gonna be any better next year? If anything the contracts are gonna be even worse

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Originally Posted by siraulo23

Is it really gonna be any better next year? If anything the contracts are gonna be even worse

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The FA class will be MUCH better and teams that are tossing out huge long-term deals this year will likely be out of the running for them.

I have to think there are quite a few older players who've thought about retirement but now feel they have to try and play at least for another year or two, to cash in on this salary frenzy...

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

And that's probably a decent gamble if he passes it.

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Oh yeah. In a heartbeat, if that were the case.

Conley better morph into Michael Jordan on the basketball court next season for that kind of money. lol Stupid move on the Grizz's part, untradeable contract. They better hope he stays healthy.

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Originally Posted by Tully365

I have to think there are quite a few older players who've thought about retirement but now feel they have to try and play at least for another year or two, to cash in on this salary frenzy...

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Richard Jefferson, SJax:lol

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Originally Posted by Tully365

I have to think there are quite a few older players who've thought about retirement but now feel they have to try and play at least for another year or two, to cash in on this salary frenzy...

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Captain Jack is trying to make a comeback. :king

Fucking OJ Mayo might be the dumbest person in the history of sports.