DUNC'D ON PODCAST: West nearly better than Pau; Spurs maybe disrespected West?

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Originally Posted by SuperCam

isn't this the podcast full of warrior dick suckers? of course they're gonna pump up West since their favorite faggot team picked him up..

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Your damn right! Media and their darling teams, fuck em.

The Spurs always get the players when they're over the hill. Finley, Van Excel, Dice. Hopefully he still has a lot left.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Pop will have a lot to answer this season. I was in the camp that gave him a pass this summer in dat thread from ElNono, about Pop going senile...
but the reason is that Timmy really fell off a cliff latter part of the season and it felt like he was in fumes giving all he had but he didn't look right. Can't blame Pop when he had relied so much on Timmy and Boban wasn't ready. The reason Boban wasn't ready? Pop precisely having loyalty to Dwest and not playing Boban at Center. DWest practically made Diaw irrelevant if you played Boban.. and Diaw well, he had reason to be coasting at that rate if he didn't play and the man already had a tendency to coast if you left him irrelevant.

But the point I really wanted to make was that there were issues last season, mainly TD's lack of health that were too much for Pop to cover for. This season Pop will have to coach for real. Youngsters even and he can't afford to misuse these youngsters for several reasons: chief among them the youngest ones are in the formative stages of their games. Whatever he has in store for them needs to be unleashed. He needs to maximize what he has now... maybe that includes not featuring Manu as much.

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man SAG with the goods ... Appreciate your posts as always, top 5 poster of the year tbh ..

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Originally Posted by Chinook

My guess is he wanted money, and the Spurs weren't into that. They needed a bench center. As I've said many times, I don't think he would have been a bad starter. But he can't play the five anymore. So if the team can only afford one bench big, it wasn't going to be West. And getting a bona fide offensive player like Gasol should help then quite a bit more than a role-player like West. I wanted a guard, but in the market they had, that was dicey.

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So, you were wrong and we were right about West.

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Originally Posted by KenziE

man SAG with the goods ... Appreciate your posts as always, top 5 poster of the year tbh ..

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Thanks. A lot of posters I like. A few very noisy trolls just ugly it up. :toast

Pau and West aren't even in the same league.

And West as C was complete garbage.

He looked like a lost rookie out there

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Originally Posted by DrSteffo

So, you were wrong and we were right about West.

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No. I think Aldridge is a five. But with Anderson set to be the backup four, there'd be no question West would be the bench five. You should have gotten that from the post I made.

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Originally Posted by KenziE

man SAG with the goods ... Appreciate your posts as always, top 5 poster of the year tbh ..

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She's good when she's not talking about Kyle.

But it makes for tough reading sometimes, just waiting to get to the Kyle part and start raging haha

All good

Great podcast to listen to, but they are massive Golden State homers. If they signed Bonner they'd say he was better than Pau.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

No. I think Aldridge is a five. But with Anderson set to be the backup four, there'd be no question West would be the bench five. You should have gotten that from the post I made.

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Did you expect Anderson to be a 4 or has that just become apparent from his bulking up and the FO's moves so far?

If West had been willing to take the minimum from the Spurs again he would have been worth having, but not if the FO really wants Anderson to be the backup 4.

Kyle can never ever guard anyone below 4s because he is so slow.

Getting bigger and stronger the only answer if he wants to have an NBA career beyond his rookie contract.

His future is clearly as a 4.

Learning how to shoot from range would also help! That's simply a must for a non-athletic 4 in today's NBA.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

No comparison between Pau Gasol and David West. The interior defense will improve with Pau and the offense should flow even better than it did with the 67 win Spurs.

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My brother Solid needs his own podcast.

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Originally Posted by Kawhi m8

She's good when she's not talking about Kyle.

But it makes for tough reading sometimes, just waiting to get to the Kyle part and start raging haha

All good

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SA tranny is as good as KA in the playoffs.

:lol Blaming West for the way Retardedovich misused him.

I think it's really dumb how critical some people here are of West. Dude was extremely solid in the regular season and a fairly large part of why we were able to win 67 games even with our starting bigs playing limited minutes. Yeah he shat the bed against OKC, but 1) it was a bad matchup for him, especially with Pop trying to play him at center, and 2) damn near the entire team shat the bed against OKC :lol Blaming West for losing that series seems insane to me.

I mean obviously I'd rather have Pau, just think the whole "D-worst" stuff is stupid. Dude took a giant paycut to come here and gave it his all. People act like he was the worst player on the team or something. He wasn't a great fit with our bench, but it seems a bit dumb to fault him for that when it was Pop and the FO who put him in that situation. I'd love to have him back now that we have Dedmon as our backup C.

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

Did you expect Anderson to be a 4 or has that just become apparent from his bulking up and the FO's moves so far?

If West had been willing to take the minimum from the Spurs again he would have been worth having, but not if the FO really wants Anderson to be the backup 4.

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I think he will be asked to play the four a lot more. But even if it's not him, it looks like it will be him, Bertans and LJC splitting time there.

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

I think it's really dumb how critical some people here are of West. Dude was extremely solid in the regular season and a fairly large part of why we were able to win 67 games even with our starting bigs playing limited minutes. Yeah he shat the bed against OKC, but 1) it was a bad matchup for him, especially with Pop trying to play him at center, and 2) damn near the entire team shat the bed against OKC :lol Blaming West for losing that series seems insane to me.

I mean obviously I'd rather have Pau, just think the whole "D-worst" stuff is stupid. Dude took a giant paycut to come here and gave it his all. People act like he was the worst player on the team or something. He wasn't a great fit with our bench, but it seems a bit dumb to fault him for that when it was Pop and the FO who put him in that situation. I'd love to have him back now that we have Dedmon as our backup C.

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Not sure why folks defend D-Worst as if he wasn't getting outplayed by the corpse of Luis Scola last season.:lol

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

Not sure why folks defend D-Worst as if he wasn't getting outplayed by the corpse of Luis Scola last season.:lol

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Since I saw you use VORP in another topic to compare Parker/Ellis, I'll assume you think it's a fairly useful stat (otherwise, I don't know why you'd bring it up).

West last year: 1.9 VORP
Scola last year: 0.3 VORP

In fact, pretty much any metric you can find out there points to West being an above-average player last season. He was 10th among all PFs in RPM. He was 5th on the Spurs in PER, 4th in WS/48, 5th in BPM, and 5th in VORP. The team played just as well with West on the court compared to off the court.

I'm not saying he's necessarily as good as those metrics might suggest, but the dude was our 4th big playing for the fucking minimum :lol The amount of criticism he gets from some people here is beyond stupid. It'd be one thing if we signed West to a big contract and he was playing like shit for 30 mpg, but that's not the case at all.

They're usually balanced and do a decent job hiding their Warrior homerism, but they were still understandably giddy after getting Durant

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

Since I saw you use VORP in another topic to compare Parker/Ellis, I'll assume you think it's a fairly useful stat (otherwise, I don't know why you'd bring it up).

West last year: 1.9 VORP
Scola last year: 0.3 VORP

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Monta Ellis played on mediocre teams compared to Porker, lets compare West/Scola's RPM when they were playing the SAME system::lol

He was getting benched for Scola at the end of the 2014-15 season::lol http://www.indycornrows.com/2015/2/16/8046543/there-is-value-in-david-west-being-there-for-the-pacers

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0.41: West's Real Plus Minus (RPM) defined by ESPN.com as a "player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors" is ranked lower than both Lavoy Allen's (2.77) and Luis Scola's (1.23).

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Given this caveat, what has perhaps been more disconcerting than the slide in his on-court impact have been the cracks in the professionalism of his on-court demeanor. At times,West has appeared somewhat disinterested in as well as disgruntled with the process. The very same player who once would have unleashed the wrath of his signature scowl at Paul George for making a cavalier behind the back pass in traffic has been guilty of developing his own brand of lack of mental focus this season

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In fact, pretty much any metric you can find out there points to West being an above-average player last season. He was 10th among all PFs in RPM. He was 5th on the Spurs in PER, 4th in WS/48, 5th in BPM, and 5th in VORP. The team played just as well with West on the court compared to off the court.

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Patty has similar deceptive advanced metrics but eye test says it's a fluke.:wakeup

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I'm not saying he's necessarily as good as those metrics might suggest, but the dude was our 4th big playing for the fucking minimum :lol The amount of criticism he gets from some people here is beyond stupid. It'd be one thing if we signed West to a big contract and he was playing like shit for 30 mpg, but that's not the case at all.

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Washed up Scola looks like prime Karl Malone compared to D-Worst when they are together on the same court::lol

So now we're judging how West played last year with the Spurs based off how he played in a much larger role the year before on a different team? :lol That seems pretty stupid. I really don't care about Scola - the main point of my argument is that West wasn't bad at all for the role he played last year with the Spurs (4th big on a minimum contract). Again, the guy wasn't even playing 20 mpg and was on a minimum deal. If you weren't happy with his production/performance given that role, then your standards for a 4th big are far too high. Compare West's production to other team's 4th bigs from around the league and let me know what you find.

And please, are we really resorting to YouTube highlights to back up our arguments now? Should I link highlights from that game where Parker dropped 31 and start arguing that Parker was actually really solid last year? :lol

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

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My brother Solid needs his own podcast.

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Haha, no thanks, Chopper. Trying to finish grad school.

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

Did you expect Anderson to be a 4 or has that just become apparent from his bulking up and the FO's moves so far?

If West had been willing to take the minimum from the Spurs again he would have been worth having, but not if the FO really wants Anderson to be the backup 4.

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I wonder about that. Maybe the hushed aspect that no one mentions is that Pop really likes Anderson and cleared vets to open up playing time for him. It happens all the time.

For D west, the Spurs were a tough choice to come back to. He wasn't tied to Pop and the culture the same way and he could have cared less long term what the Spurs were doing and probably didn't even like the idea that youngster Anderson could come in balling out of the gates and his playing time dwindle. He probably considered Bertans another stretch forward coming in, that was going to get time to develop as well. So it was clear to D west his playing time wasn't guaranteed as a PF. He was going to in effect be subject to youngsters competing for a spot. Yeah he might have started out better than the others, but he wasn't mobile enough to keep up with some forwards (even Diaw wasn't the forward of choice for Pop to defend on the 3 guys like Ryan Anderson). If D west came back as a PF he was likely a deep reserve. Considering that, he might just just preferred to retire (something that was a real consideration) or ring chase elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by SpursFan86

So now we're judging how West played last year with the Spurs based off how he played in a much larger role the year before on a different team? :lol That seems pretty stupid. I really don't care about Scola - the main point of my argument is that West wasn't bad at all for the role he played last year with the Spurs (4th big on a minimum contract). Again, the guy wasn't even playing 20 mpg and was on a minimum deal. If you weren't happy with his production/performance given that role, then your standards for a 4th big are far too high. Compare West's production to other team's 4th bigs from around the league and let me know what you find.

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My point is why are folks fighting tooth and nails for a 4th big that basically unplayable against contenders ala Blair?:lol(The Bonner Crew has jumped on the D-Worst bandwagon)
Give some guy like Jarnell Stokes a shot & develop some young players b/c D-Worst isn't moving the needle.:wakeup