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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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Originally Posted by
Spur-Addict
Stop the bullshit. Anyone giving him anywhere near that is a joke. I could see someone doing 13 Mill. Which is still OVERPAYING for a name that died years ago.
Whats wrng with paying him millions for 20 min a night and being injured half the season
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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slick'81
Whats wrng with paying him millions for 20 min a night and being injured half the season
That's the American Dream, for God's sakes!
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
If it's Philly...damn are they desperate to sign a veteran. I guess they figure he can count his money while enduring another miserable losing season.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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cd98
If it's Philly...damn are they desperate to sign a veteran. I guess they figure he can count his money while enduring another miserable losing season.
I honestly believe it was a team with young prospects, like Philly, or LA and wanted him to not only play a bit, but also mentor. I mean, Ginobili would have every young guy's full attention if he was on their team.
And he would probably do a damn good job of leaving a winning impression on said kids.
I'm glad he never got the chance.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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Canyonero
Who wouldn't pay Manu $18M?
Apparently the Spurs, as his pimp likes to point out.
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that's what I want to now too. I know these contracts recently have been bad, but I don't even think Philly is that stupid to offer him that. It's 100% bullshit
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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james evans
that's what I want to now too. I know these contracts recently have been bad, but I don't even think Philly is that stupid to offer him that. It's 100% bullshit
Not at all. Look up the rules concerning the salary cap floor and then look at Philly's current payroll. Signing Manu for 18M wouldn't change the team's net salary expenditures for 2016-17.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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ThaBigFundamental21
They absolutely hate Manu in these parts, I love it. I run my mouth to Nuggets fans constantly about the 05 playoffs.
And then the spinning acrobatic layup + charge combo at the end of that one game in Denver in the 2011 season... we didn't win the ship that year, but we had the #1 record in the west and that was a good time
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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tholdren
Mavs
My GUESS, Cubes to troll the Spurs.....
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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Sean Cagney
My GUESS, Cubes to troll the Spurs.....
Seriously, though, that's too much money for a troll job, even for Cuban. I think it's probably true, but what I can't understand is why? Not that Manu isn't still a contributor, but there's only two reasons I can think of for a team to bring in anyone on a 1-year contract.
1. It's a really good player who wants to get more out of free agency the next year, and you think they could put you over the top this year.
2. You need a fill-in, but you aren't willing to risk offering the guy a long-term contract.
Manu is still a good sixth man, but Denver can't possibly think that adding him will put them over the top this year. (Same with Philly.)
And $18 Million is a hell of a lot to give to a fill-in, and still have to field a mediocre team.
So what's the payoff? Did someone really think he would help sell that many more tickets? Or do teams just have a shitload of money left, and since he's one of the best players unaccounted for, they might as well offer him a great big chunk of it?
If you could just disregard salary cap, the teams that could benefit from Manu the most would be those that made it deep into the playoffs. Cleveland would really benefit, because he would help them stay on top another year. Golden State is stacked, and fuck them anyway. But Toronto... yeah. But Denver and Philly? Seems to me they would still be shit teams, but with a better-led second unit. BFD. But not an $18M BFD. So I'm not even questioning whether he is worth it at this point. Just who is he really worth it to?
I think someone really gave him that offer. But it was stupid.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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GSH
Seriously, though, that's too much money for a troll job, even for Cuban. I think it's probably true, but what I can't understand is why? Not that Manu isn't still a contributor, but there's only two reasons I can think of for a team to bring in anyone on a 1-year contract.
1. It's a really good player who wants to get more out of free agency the next year, and you think they could put you over the top this year.
2. You need a fill-in, but you aren't willing to risk offering the guy a long-term player.
Manu is still a good sixth man, but Denver can't possibly think that adding him will put them over the top this year. (Same with Philly.)
And $18 Million is a hell of a lot to give to a fill-in, and still have a mediocre team.
So what's the payoff? Did someone really think he would help sell that many more tickets? Or do teams just have a shitload of money left, and since he's one of the best players unaccounted for, they might as well offer him a great big chunk of it?
If you could just disregard salary cap, the teams that could benefit from Manu the most would be those that made it deep into the playoffs. Cleveland would really benefit, because he would help them stay on top another year. Golden State is stacked, and fuck them anyway. But Toronto... yeah. But Denver and Philly? Seems to me they would still be shit teams, but with a better-led second unit. BFD. But not an $18M BFD. So I'm not even questioning whether he is worth it at this point. Just who is he really worth it to?
I think someone really gave him that offer. But it was stupid.
At his age and his production level now it was very stupid to offer that contract even though the cap did go up! I agree with you 100%. That is insane.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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Originally Posted by
Spur-Addict
Stop the bullshit. Anyone giving him anywhere near that is a joke. I could see someone doing 13 Mill. Which is still OVERPAYING for a name that died years ago.
Believe what you want the sources on that are solid.
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I love Manu as much as anyone, but to give the guy $18 mil would be insane and i would not have blamed him for taking it.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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Originally Posted by
Spur-Addict
Stop the bullshit. Anyone giving him anywhere near that is a joke. I could see someone doing 2 Mill. Which is still OVERPAYING for a name that died years ago.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
Crazy is a guy like Wade, who's been broken down for a while now, getting 2/$47m and star treatment, or even Joe Johnson getting 2/$22m... And sure, they're younger and play more, but they should really be bench guys at this point, taking what's been Manu's role for a long time now. In that context, it makes complete sense a team like the Sixers which has money to burn to throw around offers like that.
Gino will give the Spurs a discount (again), because being a Spur for life is more important for him, which should be something to appreciate, tbh... but the Spurs should also help themselves and Gino and do some bench revamping (which they're apparently doing with Dedmon, Bertrans, etc).
People need to adjust to these new cap realities, where no-name free agents like Allen Crabbe get 4/$75m offers, or a guy like Conley suddenly is the best paid player in the NBA...
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The point is, the Sixers need to be developing the young guys they have. I know, I know... Manu would have been a "mentor to the young guys". But that's not usually done with a 1-year rental. And it's not usually done by paying a guy $18M. Even under the old cap that's what, $13.5M? You don't pay a guy $13.5M to be a mentor for one year. Hell, you give him $25M for three years, and tell him that the last two seasons he's going to be more of a coach/mentor on the bench most of the time, and you'll give him some DNP's to go spend time with his family. That way you have some continuity in your program, and you don't fuck up your cap space (and everyone else's). And as a bonus, you get a fiery bench guy who still has enough left in the tank to help in shorter minutes.
It's not about Manu, or what he can contribute. It's about teams just flailing around and tossing money like confetti. Just more proof that many, if not most teams, suffer from piss-poor management.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
538 Carmelos: 2016-2017
Manu worth $10.4M
Wade worth $10.5M
Johnson worth $1.4M
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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Originally Posted by
GSH
The point is, the Sixers need to be developing the young guys they have. I know, I know... Manu would have been a "mentor to the young guys". But that's not usually done with a 1-year rental. And it's not usually done by paying a guy $18M. Even under the old cap that's what, $13.5M? You don't pay a guy $13.5M to be a mentor for one year. Hell, you give him $25M for three years, and tell him that the last two seasons he's going to be more of a coach/mentor on the bench most of the time, and you'll give him some DNP's to go spend time with his family. That way you have some continuity in your program, and you don't fuck up your cap space (and everyone else's). And as a bonus, you get a fiery bench guy who still has enough left in the tank to help in shorter minutes.
It's not about Manu, or what he can contribute. It's about teams just flailing around and tossing money like confetti. Just more proof that many, if not most teams, suffer from piss-poor management.
Good points. It doesn't make sense. I can only think that the fact he's so loyal to the Spurs meant that to pry him away they had to throw stoopid money at him otherwise that wouldn't even consider it. I am sure a guy like Nowitzki was placed in a similar spot.
And a team like the 76ers needs to spend on somebody anyways, plus show the league they are legitimately trying to get better at this point. Manu most definitely have value for a team like that. They might have even offered him more years. It was Manu who probably was noncommittal over the one year.
Frankly I kind of think Manu anywhere else at this point would just retire after the one year. If he's in a losing team with a bunch of kids making mistakes all the time the joy to play is probably not the same. He's said it himself, that he would have retired already if he didn't enjoy the Spurs locker room camaraderie and on court chemistry so much.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Crazy is a guy like Wade, who's been broken down for a while now, getting 2/$47m and star treatment, or even Joe Johnson getting 2/$22m... And sure, they're younger and play more, but they should really be bench guys at this point, taking what's been Manu's role for a long time now. In that context, it makes complete sense a team like the Sixers which has money to burn to throw around offers like that.
Gino will give the Spurs a discount (again), because being a Spur for life is more important for him, which should be something to appreciate, tbh... but the Spurs should also help themselves and Gino and do some bench revamping (which they're apparently doing with Dedmon, Bertrans, etc).
People need to adjust to these new cap realities, where no-name free agents like Allen Crabbe get 4/$75m offers, or a guy like Conley suddenly is the best paid player in the NBA...
Johnson should and will come off the bench, but :lmao at thinking Wade should. He proved in the playoffs that, at his best, he's still the second best shooting guard in the league.
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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UNT Eagles 2016
And then the spinning acrobatic layup + charge combo at the end of that one game in Denver in the 2011 season... we didn't win the ship that year, but we had the #1 record in the west and that was a good time
I'm pretty sure I was at the game. Wasn't Tim hurt and the Spurs narrowly lost that game?
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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Mel_13
Not at all. Look up the rules concerning the salary cap floor and then look at Philly's current payroll. Signing Manu for 18M wouldn't change the team's net salary expenditures for 2016-17.
But that money would have been divided amongst the rest of the roster, so signing Manu for that amount would take money directly out of the pockets of the rest of the roster. Philly's management doesn't seem to care about the players' feelings anyway, but that contract would have been a giant middle finger on top of the turd sundae. It's not like Manu would do any appreciable good to the franchise in just one season.
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Exactly just because a team can doesnt mean they should
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$13m is a perfectly sane and reasonable amount for him, tbh...
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Re: Which team was supposedly ready to throw 18-19 millions at Manu?
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Seventyniner
But that money would have been divided amongst the rest of the roster, so signing Manu for that amount would take money directly out of the pockets of the rest of the roster. Philly's management doesn't seem to care about the players' feelings anyway, but that contract would have been a giant middle finger on top of the turd sundae. It's not like Manu would do any appreciable good to the franchise in just one season.
Hi, Seventyniner. Long time, no talk.
Refer back to the title and OP of this thread. The purpose of this little thought exercise, as I understand it, is to assume that timvp's report of an 18M offer is true and to guess which NBA team made the offer. Of the NBA teams with sufficient remaining cap space to even make such an offer, I find that the case for Philly is the most persuasive for the reasons already stated. Objections as strong, or stronger, than the ones you stated, can be lodged against of the other guesses submitted to this point.
