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07-13-2016
TampaDude

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Originally Posted by Gibbz

Stern was Joffrey and Silver is Tommen.

They're both dead. Next.
07-13-2016
Chinook

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Originally Posted by offset formation

Not sure how you could legally disallow it though unless it was based in anti-monopoly laws that discouraged competition. But someone could easily sue a prospective CBA that prevented a free agent from signing where they wanted.

I like the idea in principle though just to keep the league competitive.

It's not that hard. Just make huge-ass cap holds for free agents. If Curry has a max hold, then the Warriors have to choose between KD and any semblance of depth. Sure, that doesn't stop guys from taking less to make room, but most players don't want to do that anyway. Increasing the max and the roster charges would also accomplish this.

Let's say for example that the new CBA has 40-percent maxes (for the highest level with 35 and 30 for the next ones), max-salary holds for All-Stars and $1 Million roster charges. Well, the Warriors already have $36 Million against a $108 Million. Durant's hold would be for about $40 Million, while Curry's is for $35 Million. Well that puts GS at $111 Million. Then you add in eight charges and get up to $119 Million. So now, the team is bloated against the cap with only the MLE and LLE.

Now you say to yourself: Well, GS can now sign Durant and Curry, and the MLE and LLE are more than they had this year. They'll be fine. They actually won't be. Durant is a non-Bird FA. So the team can only give him 120 percent of his contract this year. The max GS could offer him is like $32 Million. They'd normally be able to renounce him and use cap space ... but they don't actually have it. With Durant renounced and the roster charge, GS has $80 Million committed against the cap, leaving only $28 Million for KD.

And now you're saying to yourself: Well Durant can just opt in and get even more money with his early Bird rights in 2018. But no. Durant's max actually drops in 2018, as the cap is about six percent lower. So inking a four-year deal in GS would see him lose millions. So he'd have to sign a one-and-one again and really keep the team in limbo for about four years total, still losing money in the process.
07-13-2016
SpursforSix

Re: ESPN ticker

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Originally Posted by Chinook

It's not that hard. Just make huge-ass cap holds for free agents. If Curry has a max hold, then the Warriors have to choose between KD and any semblance of depth. Sure, that doesn't stop guys from taking less to make room, but most players don't want to do that anyway. Increasing the max and the roster charges would also accomplish this.

Let's say for example that the new CBA has 40-percent maxes (for the highest level with 35 and 30 for the next ones), max-salary holds for All-Stars and $1 Million roster charges. Well, the Warriors already have $36 Million against a $108 Million. Durant's hold would be for about $40 Million, while Curry's is for $35 Million. Well that puts GS at $111 Million. Then you add in eight charges and get up to $119 Million. So now, the team is bloated against the cap with only the MLE and LLE.

Now you say to yourself: Well, GS can now sign Durant and Curry, and the MLE and LLE are more than they had this year. They'll be fine. They actually won't be. Durant is a non-Bird FA. So the team can only give him 120 percent of his contract this year. The max GS could offer him is like $32 Million. They'd normally be able to renounce him and use cap space ... but they don't actually have it. With Durant renounced and the roster charge, GS has $80 Million committed against the cap, leaving only $28 Million for KD.

And now you're saying to yourself: Well Durant can just opt in and get even more money with his early Bird rights in 2018. But no. Durant's max actually drops in 2018, as the cap is about six percent lower. So inking a four-year deal in GS would see him lose millions. So he'd have to sign a one-and-one again and really keep the team in limbo for about four years total, still losing money in the process.

But at a certain point, I don't know if the true superstars will considering it losing money. With already incredible salaries and endorsements, the incremental $10,000,000 per year (or whatever) might not make much difference to them.
07-13-2016
Tully365

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

I don't know, it seems players have always been disrepected (and their achievements minimized) for not winning a championship, e.g. Barkley, Malone, Stockton.

Guys like Malone or KG will always be footnotes in history compared to Duncan because they never won a ring in their prime. All the players understand winning a ring is extremely important for their legacy.

I agree-- so many critics seem to consistently go to ring counting when evaluating a career but at the same time faulting a player for seeking out better teammates... that makes no sense to me. When LeBron was with Cleveland the first time, he had no other top tier players on his team, but he had to face a Celtics team with three legitimate stars, a young talented PG, a few talented defensive specialists, and some good role players. It sounds pretty unreasonable to me to argue he should "tough it out" with a hugely inferior team rather than try to find other talent that could match up with Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Rondo, Tony Allen, James Posey, Leon Powe, etc...
07-13-2016
Chinook

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Originally Posted by SpursforSix

But at a certain point, I don't know if the true superstars will considering it losing money. With already incredible salaries and endorsements, the incremental $10,000,000 per year (or whatever) might not make much difference to them.

Honestly, if I were an NBA player, I'd totally be like Green and just stay with the team I liked for a decent contract. I just don't get the point in trying to get every last dollar. Quality of the workplace should factor in too. But I'm not a star athlete, with the mentality to get there. So I have no idea how that would affect me.
07-13-2016
coachmac87

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Honestly, if I were an NBA player, I'd totally be like Green and just stay with the team I liked for a decent contract. I just don't get the point in trying to get every last dollar. Quality of the workplace should factor in too. But I'm not a star athlete, with the mentality to get there. So I have no idea how that would affect me.

$$$ all comes down to lifestyles and how many groupies you got lol. Somebody with a chill no spotlight like Duncan probably doesn't care so much. Then you got a guy like Melo who's dating a celebrity where I'm sure the lifestyle is x10.
07-13-2016
Spurtacular

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It actually didn't drown out the criticism when it came to LBJ. Part of the reason he left Miami and came back to Cleveland was that he was tired of people hating him.

No, that's the spin. The truth is Miami was on a downhill and Cleveland was stronger with a younger star and willing to give LBJ more power w/o Riley.
07-13-2016
ducks

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https://sports.yahoo.com/news/adam-s...773.html?nhp=1

here is an article about it

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