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What Will Sanders Do Now?
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Now that he's endorsed Hillary Clinton for president, Bernie Sanders is gearing up to launch a set of liberal organizations aimed at continuing his push for a "political revolution."
One of the groups will be focused on crafting policy while another one will be devoted to recruiting and boosting liberal candidates to run for office, according to a source with knowledge of the plans. Potentially, a third organization would be some kind of political action committee focused on registering new voters.
While details are still being hammered out, the Vermont senator alluded to his steps to continue pushing the Democratic party to the left and build out his own progressive infrastructure in his speech Tuesday endorsing the presumptive Democratic nominee.
"Our goal will be to advance the progressive agenda that we believe in and to elect like-minded candidates at the federal, state and local levels who are committed to accomplishing our goals,” Sanders said at a joint rally with Clinton in New Hampshire.
Sanders and his wife Jane Sanders discussed starting the groups with Charles Chamberlain, the executive director of Democracy for America. The Vermont senator and his wife received encouragement to start the organizations from Chamberlain, according to DFA spokesman Neil Sroka.
Read more:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4EKjB60vz
Until the election laws particularly at the state level are changed this is the best method for meaningful change. Keep hijacking the party Bernie.
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FuzzyLumpkins
Until the election laws particularly at the state level are changed this is the best method for meaningful change. Keep hijacking the party Bernie.
The Dem establishment was long ago hijacked by big donors, and has abandoned the working class that was the Dem base.
eg, DWS is pro-TPP/TTIP, just like Hillary will be after the campaign.
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boutons_deux
The Dem establishment was long ago hijacked by big donoras, and has abandoned the working class that was the Dem base. eg, DWS is pro-TPP/TTIP, just like Hillary will be after the campaign.
You should just make that your sig and quit parroting. It makes you appear the simpleton when that is all you ever have to say aside from GFY and general ranting in response to criticism.
FWIW, this is a pretty nonfactual take of the current state of pluralism. While unions have been marginalised, they are still represented directly by the dems. Clinton securing their endorsement was huge in her winning the primaries in the NE.
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FuzzyLumpkins
You should just make that your sig and quit parroting. It makes you appear the simpleton when that is all you ever have to say aside from GFY and general ranting in response to criticism.
FWIW, this is a pretty nonfactual take of the current state of pluralism. While unions have been marginalised, they are still represented directly by the dems. Clinton securing their endorsement was huge in her winning the primaries in the NE.
Trash would be nowhere without the support of low-info, low-wage white men. This conned, racist, misogynistic asshole demographic actually thinks Trash and Repugs will give a fuck about them.
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boutons_deux
Trash would be nowhere without the support of low-info, low-wage white men. This conned, racist, misogynistic asshole demographic actually thinks Trash and Repugs will give a fuck about them.
Now moving onto a different one of your memes. Your pet name for Trumps is shit btw tbh.
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Yeah "Trash" is one of the dumbest nicknames I've ever heard.
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Will Hunting
Yeah "Trash" is one of the dumbest nicknames I've ever heard.
check out my post about Trash and sewage. Trash is a shitbag.
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boutons_deux
Trash would be nowhere without the support of low-info, low-wage white men. This conned, racist, misogynistic asshole demographic actually thinks Trash and Repugs will give a fuck about them.
Hillary would be nowhere without being crooked as hell. It is going to be hilariously funny watching her try to crab back to the center after knocking off Bernie. The liberal base will be furious.
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CosmicCowboy
Hillary would be nowhere without being crooked as hell. It is going to be hilariously funny watching her try to crab back to the center after knocking off Bernie. The liberal base will be furious.
"crooked" ? CosmicParasite parroting Trash.
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boutons_deux
"crooked" ? CosmicParasite parroting Trash.
:lmao You were calling her crooked a month ago when you were Berning.
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I don't like the endorsement of Hillary at all, regardless of its "degree" of endorsing so to speak. I feel like he purposely marginalized himself for the sake of the Democrats at large, which is exactly what he was railing against. It was a tough situation but he should have kept his word and fought to the convention, even if it wasn't the best move to make for the other election year democrats. I still have respect for the man and know he will continue pushing for sensical reform in Washington, but I'm not convinced he didn't sabotage the "revolution" when he crossed the battlelines and joined the Clinton camp.
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CosmicCowboy
:lmao You were calling her crooked a month ago when you were Berning.
Of course, she's crooked. But your lover boy Trash is 10x worse in every possible way.
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http://galleryoftattoosnow.com/Tatto...y/IMG_1904.jpg
What am I supposed to do about my leg Charlie Murphy!
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He was in cahoots with Hillary to corral the youth vote - the Obama coalition demographic she struggles the most with. The plan was always to rile them up against the R candidate and hand them off to Hillary. His campaign went a lot better than expected (the goyim actually took him seriously) and he got a little big for his britches. Now most of the Berniebots are vowing to stay home, write in Bernie, or vote Green. Some are even voting for https://i.imgur.com/EKgclJS.png .
This DNC "get out the vote" plan backfired in a big, big way.
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boutons_deux
Of course, she's crooked. But your lover boy Trash is 10x worse in every possible way.
Couldn't he be better by just not being a neocohen ?
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Hillary is going to run away from Bernies platform as soon as she can.
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CosmicCowboy
Hillary is going to run away from Bernies platform as soon as she can.
Maybe but she needs to win reelection and her party wants the millennial votes. Seeing how they capitulated to your generation for similar reasons 25 years ago, I see them doing the same.
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neither Bernie could no have gotten, nor Hillary will get any progressive laws, regs passed. Repugs will block everything.
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I have to say that boutox using hopeless fatalism as an excuse is one of the more cowardly worldviews I've ever seen.
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FuzzyLumpkins
I have to say that boutox using hopeless fatalism as an excuse is one of the more cowardly worldviews I've ever seen.
Repugs will block everything. It's simple mathematics. Repugs have done it for 8 years, and will do it for the next 8 years.
Go find the 2016 Repug platform. David Fucking Barton and Tony Fucking Perkins are on the platform committee.
Go lookup "redmap".
now, nor you nor ANYBODY here has shown any path to stopping the strict obstructionism of the Repugs.
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Here's unstoppable, mega-capital taking over state capitals, silently, totally, with the sole aim of sucking even more wealth from citizens.
How Private Equity Found Power and Profit in State Capitols
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/bu...ent-group.html
So, Ms. anti-fatalist, what path propose to stop and reverse the catastrophe?
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May I ask why he didn't try for reform within the DNC (like doing away with the super delegates) instead of health care (single payor) when he had the most leverage? The first is more achievable. Hillary will just promise the second but can't get it done with a Republican House.
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Originally Posted by
rmt
May I ask why he didn't try for reform within the DNC (like doing away with the super delegates) instead of health care (single payor) when he had the most leverage? The first is more achievable. Hillary will just promise the second but can't get it done with a Republican House.
Bernie isn't a Dem, he's a protest candidate.
Both party's establishments are basically impregnable.
He did get $15/min wage and stronger environment points into the platform, but the BigCorp-corrupted Dems blocked his attempt against TPP/TTIP shit.
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boutons_deux
Bernie isn't a Dem, he's a protest candidate.
Both party's establishments are basically impregnable.
He did get $15/min wage and stronger environment points into the platform, but the BigCorp-corrupted Dems blocked his attempt against TPP/TTIP shit.
Republicans don't have super delegates like Dems which can sway the nomination or else Trump wouldn't be about to be nominated. Dem voters probably wouldn't be able to get an outsider (non-establishment) candidate like Trump.
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He sold out. He should apologize to all his fans and get on his knees in front of Lord Trump
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Originally Posted by
z0sa
I don't like the endorsement of Hillary at all, regardless of its "degree" of endorsing so to speak. I feel like he purposely marginalized himself for the sake of the Democrats at large, which is exactly what he was railing against. It was a tough situation but he should have kept his word and fought to the convention, even if it wasn't the best move to make for the other election year democrats. I still have respect for the man and know he will continue pushing for sensical reform in Washington, but I'm not convinced he didn't sabotage the "revolution" when he crossed the battlelines and joined the Clinton camp.
The next best thing is getting a really progressive platform which I think he got.
It would have been counter productive if he kept stalling. If you want to change a party from the inside, you dont do it by wrecking the party itself.
Imo, it would have been political suicide for Bernie to try and force the issue. So not only does he loses, the party crumbles as well.
And at that point, what does the democratic party has left to lose? They would make sure they bury Bernie along with them.
I think they both get what they want this way. Bernie himself said he got 85% of what he wanted and called the DNC platform the most progressive platform in DNC history.
I will take his word for it.
I wish Hillary would pick someone like Warren as her running mate to solidify a progressive agenda going forward and beyond the convention.
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rmt
Republicans don't have super delegates like Dems which can sway the nomination or else Trump wouldn't be about to be nominated. Dem voters probably wouldn't be able to get an outsider (non-establishment) candidate like Trump.
Hillary actually got more votes than Bernie, but people who didn't care much for either, were swayed by Hillary and the press counting her pledged delegates, back in Feb, before they officially can pledge at the convention.
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Hillary will move to the center after the election. If she folds to the left progressive element she loses the independents. If she leans to the center independents she still gets the progressives by being a more palatable option than Trump.
I don't see Hillary's ego letting her choose Warren who is a more popular female than she is.
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Originally Posted by
boutons_deux
Repugs will block everything. It's simple mathematics. Repugs have done it for 8 years, and will do it for the next 8 years.
Go find the 2016 Repug platform. David Fucking Barton and Tony Fucking Perkins are on the platform committee.
Go lookup "redmap".
now, nor you nor ANYBODY here has shown any path to stopping the strict obstructionism of the Repugs.
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Here's unstoppable, mega-capital taking over state capitals, silently, totally, with the sole aim of sucking even more wealth from citizens.
How Private Equity Found Power and Profit in State Capitols
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/bu...ent-group.html
So, Ms. anti-fatalist, what path propose to stop and reverse the catastrophe?
I've already told you that the electorate is changing. We just got through two terms of a minority president and he was able to pass health care reform when noone else has been able to do shit for 40 years. It will take one more anti-Citizens United justice to get that law changed and it's an issue in the current election. I don't like Hillary but at least she will change that.
A candidate whose views are very in tune with my own harnessed the burgeoning demographic and almost made it. We'll be stronger next cycle.
You're a coward and a quitter.
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CosmicCowboy
Hillary will move to the center after the election. If she folds to the left progressive element she loses the independents. If she leans to the center independents she still gets the progressives by being a more palatable option than Trump.
I don't see Hillary's ego letting her choose Warren who is a more popular female than she is.
:lol Like you are in a position to knwo such things. You think everyone thinks like you which is just false.
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FuzzyLumpkins
:lol Like you are in a position to knwo such things. You think everyone thinks like you which is just false.
Pot/Kettle/Black
I've seen a hell of a lot more elections than you have.
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Originally Posted by
rmt
May I ask why he didn't try for reform within the DNC (like doing away with the super delegates) instead of health care (single payor) when he had the most leverage? The first is more achievable. Hillary will just promise the second but can't get it done with a Republican House.
Who's to say he didn't try? It's well publicized that he didn't get everything that he wanted.
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CosmicCowboy
Pot/Kettle/Black
I've seen a hell of a lot more elections than you have.
I'm not the one making claims, dimwit. AGain this is the first election since the 1960s where your demographic didn't dominate the electorate. It subsumes your attempt at big timing, pedobear.
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FuzzyLumpkins
I'm not the one making claims, dimwit.
By saying I am wrong, you are, fuckhead.
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CosmicCowboy
By saying I am wrong, you are, fuckhead.
I'm saying that your not in a position to make such claims. There is a difference but nuance is hard for you with your one track mind.
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Just sit back and watch. Bernie will be irrelevant after his 15 minutes of fame at the convention. Hillary is going to disappoint the shit out of progressives.
Which is a good thing.
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CosmicCowboy
Just sit back and watch. Bernie will be irrelevant after his 15 minutes of fame at the convention. Hillary is going to disappoint the shit out of progressives.
Which is a good thing.
It's interesting watching you constnatly hedging your expectations. You wishcast like Darrin and WC so it's little surprise. It's a new electorate, pedobear, but keep being hidebound. It typifies you.
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Hillary knows exactly where her bread is buttered and it isn't through Bernie fans $25 donations.
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FuzzyLumpkins
It's interesting watching you constnatly hedging your expectations. You wishcast like Darrin and WC so it's little surprise. It's a new electorate, pedobear, but keep being hidebound. It typifies you.
You are the wishcaster bitch.
Hillary is going to disappoint the shit out of you.
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Bothwell leaves Democrats over Clinton
ASHEVILLE - One of the city's most outspoken Democrats, Cecil Bothwell, says he's left the party over its choice of presidential candidates, leveling strong criticism at Hillary Clinton and calling the former secretary of state "entirely untrustworthy" and "a felon."
"Bernie Sanders announced the end of his campaign this morning by endorsing Clinton. As of an hour ago I am registered unaffiliated for the first time since I cast my first vote in 1968," Bothwell, who is a city councilman, said in a Tuesday Facebook post.
The post generated more than 100 comments from those supporting and opposing the move, including fellow Councilman Gordon Smith who defended Sanders' endorsement of Clinton. Bothwell, whose Facebook profile picture is a Sanders' campaign sign, responded to the comments with the strong criticisms of Clinton and saying he was "pretty sure a (Donald) Trump presidency would be the best outcome for the Democratic Party."
Bothwell is known as a firebrand who didn't shy away from conflict with other Democrats, most recently on issues including his opposition to the city ban on short-term vacation rentals in residential neighborhoods and his support for turning city-owned property on Haywood Street into a downtown park.
After his initial post Bothwell responded to some commenters who questioned whether he was being extreme and who said Clinton had agreed to incorporate some of Sanders' positions.
Bothwell said Clinton could not be trusted to carry out those promises and that the election of the Republican Trump might galvanize Democrats around progressive issues.
"I detest Trump and his made-for-reality-TV campaign," he said. "But I'm pretty sure a Trump presidency would be the best outcome for the Democratic Party. The DNC seems to have abandoned the people, the DNC congressional leaders seem to have joined the oligarchy. What more can we possibly do to create a revolution within the party beyond urging everyone we know to vote for (Green Party nominee Jill) Stein?"
Smith and some others pointed out that Sanders had said Clinton was the most viable candidate. The councilman called Bothwell's Trump comments a "burn the village in order to save it" philosophy.
At one point Bothwell called Clinton a "felon," "congenital liar" and "beyond the pale of ... human normalcy."
Asked Wednesday about the strong language, Bothwell said Clinton is "at bare minimum" a perjurer and her sworn Congressional testimony about her handling of classified information as head of the State Department was false according to the FBI director. He said he thought she would take the country into war, approve bad trade deals and increase "corporate control."
Buncombe County Democratic Party Chairwoman Kathy Sinclair thanked Bothwell for "his dedication to the community" and commitment to support local Democratic candidates in the fall.
But Sinclair said the best way to support Sanders' ideas was to help elect Clinton.
The party chairwoman said Sanders had "contributed to creating the most progressive platform ever."
"His supporters participating in the election of Hillary Clinton as our next Democratic president will be a display of loyalty to Senator Sanders, and the only way his contributions can move forward," she said.
Sinclair did not respond to questions about Bothwell's specific criticisms of Clinton or whether she was concerned that others might follow him out of the party.
http://experience.usatoday.com/story...nton/87035754/
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CosmicCowboy
You are the wishcaster bitch.
Hillary is going to disappoint the shit out of you.
Again, I'm not the one making claims about Hillary or the dem party. I made the OP a question after all, dimwit.
I have no expectations of Hillary and think she is Obama 2.0. Speak for yourself has been my comment to you because you suck at speaking for others.
I also don't dumb shit down into fixating on POTUS. The party platform is important in legislative session and I think it is an improvement over what the dems have put out before. I'm interested in progress and not getting everything I want like a spoiled child.
Your demographic is about to be marginalized as you guys die off and more and more millennials reach their majority. I expect I will enjoy the next 20 years much more than you. Your turn is over.
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FuzzyLumpkins
I've already told you that the electorate is changing. We just got through two terms of a minority president and he was able to pass health care reform when noone else has been able to do shit for 40 years. It will take one more anti-Citizens United justice to get that law changed and it's an issue in the current election. I don't like Hillary but at least she will change that.
A candidate whose views are very in tune with my own harnessed the burgeoning demographic and almost made it. We'll be stronger next cycle.
You're a coward and a quitter.
ACA was the ONLY biggie the Dems got done, and not one Repug voted for it. And the Repugs have been sabotaging everything for 8 years.
Then, for the 2012 elections, after the 2010 redistricting, "redmap" slaughtered the Dems in Congress, and Repugs monopolized 20 states legislatures and governorships. Also, Repug SCOTUS gutted the VRA. Repug gerrrymandering, redistricting is solidifying their state level dominance, which is a huge help in putting and keeping their assholes in Congress.
yes, the electorate is changing, but it won't make any difference in red states, and is very iffy in purple states.
C-U has given the 1%/BigCorp even more enormous powers to buy elections. They're even attacking municipal and school board elections.
So you still, feckless assholes, haven't described a practical path to combat all the above.
"electorate is changing" isn't a plan.
Watch the Repugs lose the WH, but destroy at the state and local levels, and maintain enough of their assholes in Congress to block ALL progress.
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boutons_deux
ACA was the ONLY biggie the Dems got done, and not one Repug voted for it. And the Repugs have been sabotaging everything for 8 years.
Then, for the 2012 elections, after the 2010 redistricting, "redmap" slaughtered the Dems in Congress, and Repugs monopolized 20 states legislatures and governorships. Also, Repug SCOTUS gutted the VRA. Repug gerrrymandering, redistricting is solidifying their state level dominance, which is a huge help in putting and keeping their assholes in Congress.
yes, the electorate is changing, but it won't make any difference in red states, and is very iffy in purple states.
C-U has given the 1%/BigCorp even more enormous powers to buy elections. They're even attacking municipal and school board elections.
So you still, feckless assholes, haven't described a practical path to combat all the above.
"electorate is changing" isn't a plan.
Watch the Repugs lose the WH, but destroy at the state and local levels, and maintain enough of their assholes in Congress to block ALL progress.
That isn't the only thing and it disproves your universal anyway.
It isn't a plan. It's reality and for some reason you fight it. Youre a coward of the worst sort.
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FuzzyLumpkins
That isn't the only thing and it disproves your universal anyway
what other big "thing" did the Dems get passed. :lol
The Iran deal was huge, but that was the Exec only.
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boutons_deux
what other big "thing" did the Dems get passed. :lol
The Iran deal was huge, but that was the Exec only.
Treaties have to be ratified by the senate. Also Warren helped push through Dodd-Frank. Youre basically whining about the slow pace of US government as if that is anything new.
Again the electorate is changing with a massive new demographic entering the booth. They were very clear this cycle in what they want and while I'm not in a position to take advantage of it I'm not worried that someone else like Bernie will moving forward.
Times are beginning to change and that is soemthing that I have been talking about for quite some time. Millennials are now the US's largest demographic.
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Bernie bros are booty blasted all over the internet check out the huff post comment section or
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident :toast
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FuzzyLumpkins
Treaties have to be ratified by the senate. Also Warren helped push through Dodd-Frank. Youre basically whining about the slow pace of US government as if that is anything new.
Again the electorate is changing with a massive new demographic entering the booth. They were very clear this cycle in what they want and while I'm not in a position to take advantage of it I'm not worried that someone else like Bernie will moving forward.
Times are beginning to change and that is soemthing that I have been talking about for quite some time. Millennials are now the US's largest demographic.
Your Millenial wishcasting is hilarious. "Free everything for all! It's the right thing to do! You old people suck and are dying!"
Like working millenials are going to stay idealistically "progressive" into their middle age when they realize their take home after taxes isn't shit. :lmao
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CosmicCowboy
Your Millenial wishcasting is hilarious. "Free everything for all! It's the right thing to do! You old people suck and are dying!"
Like working millenials are going to stay idealistically "progressive" into their middle age when they realize their take home after taxes isn't shit. :lmao
Your characterizations are stupid. Bernie had a payroll and speculation transaction tax to fund his proposals. You are parroting your fox news stupidity which is what I've come to expect. I really enjoyed it when you used their slogan to try and say they were impartial.
What I would expect would be a cut into your boomer gravy train and you don't have the votes to stop it, pedobear.
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FuzzyLumpkins
Your characterizations are stupid. Bernie had a payroll and speculation transaction tax to fund his proposals. You are parroting your fox news stupidity which is what I've come to expect. I really enjoyed it when you used their slogan to try and say they were impartial.
What I would expect would be a cut into your boomer gravy train and you don't have the votes to stop it, pedobear.
I am comfortably set with or without Social Security, loser.
And Bernie's plan to pay for the free stuff was a joke just like you.
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:lol
Bernies 25 minute speech today and zero mentions of Hillary. Guess the love fest is over.
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/the...minute-speech/
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CosmicCowboy
I am comfortably set with or without Social Security, loser.
And Bernie's plan to pay for the free stuff was a joke just like you.
I do want to get my social security when the time comes, but I too, have my own retirement account. It galls the hell out of me that liberals want me to pay even more in taxation, when I easily contribute more than $20K annual already.
Those supporting the current political democrat ideals are losers. There is no nice way to put it. They are losers because they want other people's money, or because they are too blind to really see what the left is doing.
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CosmicCowboy
How many times did Hillary mentioned Bernie on her race relations speech yesterday? Zero
What do you expect these people to do? Talk about one another in every speech they make? :lol
