Spurs should have drafted McCaw instead of Murray. McCaw is a year older and has done everything we hoped Murray could. He could be a rotation player for the Spurs as a combo guard this year. GS scouts are kicking the Spurs scouts butts.
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Spurs should have drafted McCaw instead of Murray. McCaw is a year older and has done everything we hoped Murray could. He could be a rotation player for the Spurs as a combo guard this year. GS scouts are kicking the Spurs scouts butts.
I'll take him over Manu and Green at this point, him and Kawhi could have been great combo...
There's a huge difference from spending one year vs. two in college - Murray is further from eventual finished product. Murray will take longer to develop but don't think too many conclusions should be made from summer lewgue.
Warriors may have found great value, though. If he does pan out, too bad for them he's only under a two year deal (2nd rounder) as he'll get a massive pay raise in RFA and Bird Rights will be limited for a team capped out. Rich man problems for the Warriors.
The sad thing is, they could have had both. GS bought that pick with cash.
Murray is a keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
But the Spurs should've done what GSW did by buying that pick. They were fine with paying Manu $14 million, so $2 million to draft McCaw is simply chump change.
This kid is GOOD and going to be VERY GOOD with more muscle . Good shooter, good penetrator, good ball handler, good court vision, good off the ball, good passer, good defender. Spurs should plan on snatching him in a couple of years.
The most immediate issue with Murray is that we will spend the next two seasons of Kawhi and LMA's contracts without a PG that will allow us to compete at the highest level. We will be also-rans for a couple of years of Kawhi and LMA's contracts while Tony declines and we are waiting for Murray to "grow" enough to run an NBA championship-caliber team.
I think they are going to try and sign a PG in the off season. Next year's PG FA crop is really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
Westbrook, Chris Paul, K Lowry, Jeff Teague, G Hill, Shaun Livingston, and the Greek Freek will all be free agents. Murray can grown under one of them, hopefully.
Unfortunately there is an instant gratification, over emotional, over reactionary group here. They expect hall of fame action from the get go. Murray has a higher ceiling than Mccaw. Murray has also done some really good things. I wanted Mccaw and mocked him multiple times. But Murray is the better prospect, he just requires a bit more patience.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
It it is much like the fight chinook goes through, with LJC. People hate on him because he isn't killing it. But I'm excited he is stateside to finish his development. As a 4th or 5th big he brings qualities you want. And you've seen flashes in the few games he has played. But like I said he is stateside where he will get better development. I wish they would have brought Milutinov over as well. I'm over the development over seas. I don't think they develop as well. I think a kid like Hanga would be a rotational guy by now had he been brought over sooner.
But let's be honest these same people that OOH and AAH over Mccaw are quick to tell others it is summer league whenever our players do well, but praise others.
Both players will be fortunate to see any floor time this year. Murray has a loooooooong way to go.
You go after Westbrook first but I wouldn't be surprised if we go straight for George Hill. He would be alot cheaper than Russell and we already know how he fits in the system. He finally gets his spot as starting point and we can move Tony to the bench. Though the repercussions of this development means Murray would move more to shooting guard in a Manu role like some namely Chinook mentioned. With George you would have the point guard of the foreseeable future. We'll see how fate will have it with Murray. I think he would be best as point with all star potential then coming off the bench with sixth man potential. Murray could play the back up point too, it's just that Parker has said he wasn't too play 4-5 more years which would put Murray back at third string. How's the shooting guard class next year. Maybe we find a Manu replacement then a Parker. The Spurs have already demonstrated their loyalty to Tim and Manu, and I doubt they stop with Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
As for Murray, I think he was the right pick for what we needed. He has a higher ceiling than McCaw. McCaw has potential to be an elite roleplayer imo and I've already stated what Murrays celling is. I think he realizes his potential with the Spurs. If he was a project big I would be skeptical but we have a pretty good track record with guards.
Solid post :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by palangi
JJ Redick, Tyreke Evans, and Tony Allen are all UFA. Oladipo, K Caldwell-Pope, and CJ McCollom are all restricted. Gordon Hayward has a player option.Quote:
Originally Posted by raybies
I was probably the 1st person to bring McCaw as a Spurs target and I love him as a prospect, but Murray is a great prospect too.
Don't put too much stock on what Murray is showing now in the SL as a freshman out of college. Murray is raw and he was drafted based on his tools and his potential. He still has a very long way to go before he starts to produce like a Spurs material player.
Just be patient. Murray's pick will pay off in the long run. The only thing that makes me sad about McCaw is that he went to the most stacked team in the NBA for cash and the Spurs could have taken both if they wanted to.
Shouldn't be about Murray vs McCaw - both would have been nice especially since it was so cheap.
We'll have to revisit this thread in a couple of years.
Redick on the Spurs :D wow, that would be amazing. Also I love Hayward as a player and is so much a Spurs player. Thing is, we as well as many other teams will have about 30mil in cap, which is enough to get 1 stud or 2 players of Redick type. Something like George Hill and Taj Gibson for example. Our core is intact, so will be interesting what we do next offseason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
We don't. Mcpoop sucks compared to Murray.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
I'm very interested in next off season as well! That is going to be a crucial free agent class for the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbdog
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Originally Posted by SpursTalk, Summer of 1997 Thread: Spurs Should have Traded Duncan Pick to Utah for Ostertag
Murray has a higher ceiling.
Great post and agree on Hanga. He's turned into a top defender in Europe (by their standards) - imagine developing his shot stateside. Defenders in the league will always be at a premium, and if he could turn into a fringe 3 & D guy, I would have taken it.Quote:
Originally Posted by palangi
Jerry West, felt McCaw should not have slipped that far, saying "People are gonna be sorry they didn't draft him."
Like others have said Murray has the upside. Anyone remember how much RC got trashed for the Joseph pick in 2011 because his adopted son played with him at UT? Look at where Cory is now. I'm just curious who we bring in to replace Chad Forcier.
Spurs PATFO losing their edge. This is ridiculous!! With all the departures, Spurs have a lot of brain drain.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
Lets re-visit this a few years down the road and see. Right now it's just here say.
PATFO were looking for a ball handler rather than a scorer & McCaw is somewhat like Will Barton.Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
I agree they were definitely looking for an athletic guard who could be the main ball handler. McCaw projected as a 3/D wing from my recollection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Jamaal Tinsley is the far better point guard, WTF, why didnt we grab him instead of Tony f'ing Parker??!?!!?!?!?
Spurs talk in 2003
Is this a hindsight 20/20 thing or did alot of ppl actually have McCaw projected to go earlier then he was drafted?
Dude will fold when facing real competition
WestBrick: Not playing in SAQuote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
CP3: Most likely if he wants to upgrade from one contender to another like Dominos (Porker can be the 6th man)
Lowry: Most likely will get the max & age like Porker
Teague/Hill: most likely re-signing w/ their respective team who will PAY 'em unless they wet the bed like Ty Lawson
Livingston: Duds have his Bird Rights & should be more in their price range than Iggy
Giannis: Ain't going anywhere
Jrue is actually a possibility if the Pelicans want to move on from him ala Eric Gordon/Ryan Anderson & Darren Collison is a guy that could work as a backup if he doesn't end up in prison.:lol
ReDick: Last chance to cash in after being underpaid his entire career ala Conley (would have to over pay for a 33 yr old)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dre_7
Reke: Rich man's Simmons
Tony Allen: washed up
Dipo/KCP/CJ: Ain't going anywhere
....I would say someone like Korver is more likely since he's at the end of his career & will be ring chasing
Casspi as a backup PF would also be interesting if Bertans isn't fit for the job considering that Casspi won't most likely re-sign w/ the Kings & has been a journey man like Marco.
He was a good as Ryan Anderson last season (same WS/48, better VORP/BPM/TS%/ORtg/DRtg): http://bkref.com/tiny/SmoH3Quote:
Word is Knicks/Spurs still hot for Casspi and checked in to see if they could wedge their way into last trade fun of 2010-11. But … Cavs told ’em they traded for Casspi with intent to keep him. GM Chris Grant says Cavs have liked Casspi since Kings drafted him in 2009
:lol I love when sports fans try to judge players before they have even played a single professional game, tbh..
^ Yeah. In addition, it ignores where the players in question are at in their development and the Spurs are at as a franchise and what they need moving forward. They're no longer at the stage where trying to find a high floor, low ceiling type makes sense. They need high ceiling types, even if they come with a low floor (which is inevitable when you pick late 20's virtually every year).
It was time to swing for the fences. I don't even care if McCaw goes on to be a good backup and Murray is out of the league in 3-5 years. I'd rather see if the latter can become a starter or sixth man.
:lol
McCaw would have been nothing but a footnote in this franchise's history.
Dejounte could add a page, or two, before it's all said and done.
Lol, McCaw.
DPG, c'mon man.
Just because the Logo ( J. West ) says so , doesnt make it a sure thing . All I have seen him do is talk the league into letting him sign whoever he want's regardless of of the rules or money . I seem to remember him being able to get Pau even though no one else knew he was available for the Lakers !!! Also remember Pop saying something to the effect that pop wished he had known that Pau was even available back then !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
I'll happily eat my words if this game was a taste of Murray to come. This is the first of his summer league games, including his first, where I've been impressed with his play and decision making. Nonetheless GS made a move buying a pick and scoring a player you guys would be raving about if the Spurs front office had been savvy enough to go after. Have a look at McCaw in the game he's about to play.
Which brainless fucker wanted the Duncan for Ostertag trade? At that point in time Duncan was already all round while Ostertag's ceiling was very obvious..... No hindsight required
Seriously there are some stupid inbreds here
Murray's upside is ridiculous. Has good physical tools and feel for the game, things you cant teach. If he wants it bad enough he'll be a really good player
Watch GS highlight McCaw in blowouts next year and then West trade him and his RFA rights in the off season for a good draft pick. GS was smart on this, a lot smarter than SA,especially since the Spurs had the kid in for a try out. They should be more aggressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
When have teams ever traded draft picks for second year players?Quote:
Originally Posted by picnroll
he's a sg.
Bump. More to come.
Don't know how much we'll see of Murray this season but he seems competitive and wants to play in the RS. He makes bad decisions and can't shoot right now. Both are fixable but take time.
McCaw was a steal and 29 other teams may be banging their heads not just Spurs. Murray may yet emerge to be a better or at least a comparable player if he learns how to shoot.
It's obvious Spurs wanted and needed a PG prospect. The Murray project is not done, barely getting started.
Good news is that McCaw is on a two year contract and not a whiff of salary cap room to re-sign him. He could make a nice replacement for Green in a couple of years.
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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
I missed this :lol? What did I do?Quote:
Originally Posted by tonight...you
Honestly now? I forgot. Probably nothing...Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I remember saying I wanted SA to get McCaw pre-draft - maybe that was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by tonight...you
Maybe and my brain was adding words to your thoughts. I was probably drinking, or something at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
This year's Chris Singleton, or whatever that guy's name was people wanted over Kawhi?
Good ole' TJastalQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Jist fi ished rewatching three of the warriors pre-season games. The dude an NBA ready contributor!
Biggest draft steal this year bu far...
Golden State Organization is way ahead of San Antonio.. Way ahead
Murray is a project, mccaw is instant gratification on a loaded team that really doesn't need him. Plus it's pre season where teams are trying defensive schemes and playing with a loaded team like the warriors makes offense easier for McCaw. Murray is the better pick the raw talent is there he just needs to be sculpted I mean just look at kawhi, the physical gifts where there as well. I actually think the spurs coaching staff might be able to make Murray into a great pickup for a 29th pick in the draft.
If McCaw keeps at it, he'll make Livingston expendable.
G State would be smart if they can trade Livingston and bring in a big better than Zaza.
Like David Lee, perhaps?!Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Um no.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
If I'm GS, I'm calling Philly. Livingston for Noel makes sense for both teams. Wouldn't be fair.
That thru the legs pass was pretty nice :tu
Livingston makes no sense for Noel.
Your opinion. We've disagreed before, and will continue to disagree on things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
McCaw's trick almost half court shot looks just like that one time Murray hit a 3 from the sun:
It's too early, entirely too early to judge Murray in comparison.
yup I really like Laprovittola.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJR210
Not sure Philly is trading Noel for a 2017 UFA when they can sign him outright next summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
IMO, Noel for Marcus Smart is more reasonable.
Just shows how subjective picking draft choices is at this level. Both seem to have considerable upside possibilities while McCaw seems clearly to be more ready to take a place in a rotation at this stage. And for him to break into the GSW rotation is quite a coup for him and for the GSW FO.
Drinking game: Everyone on ST has to take a shot every time I say "DeMarco Murray" instead of "Dejounte Murray" this season.
Can't believe we pass on him, he has some Kawhi in him, in a smaller, SG body, fuck having another season of danny green instead...
Yeah, I've thought since around the draft that there was a good chance that Noel for Smart would eventually happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Livingston isn't near sufficient value for Noel and he makes no sense for them. In addition to what you said, he's an aging third guard, that can't shoot 3's. With Simmons and to a lesser extent Saric, playing point forward, a 3 and D point guard would be ideal.
Really?
Its not a fair compare. Two different systems, but obviously tonight is not his night.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbdog
tell that to the OPQuote:
Originally Posted by K...
Murray is better...AND has a higher ceiling...u don't get ppl with Murrays height, speed, and handles, plus drive to play ball everyday
Murray is better...AND has a higher ceiling...u don't get ppl with Murrays height, speed, and handles, plus drive to play ball everyday
Bump
Typical NBA GM like PATFO butthole still acting like every move they make is gold :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Meh. None of those players on the list have proven anything yet. Keep your dick in your pants.
Macaca is a scrub. I have not been impressed by him whenever I have seen him play. He also shoots a shitty FG percentages. I feel with some spur fans that the warriors could put a jersey on feces and they would bitch about RC and Pop not drafting feces
Not drafting McCaw will go down as the biggest flub in NBA draft history.
Murray is immensely better than McCaw
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Originally Posted by duncan2k5
From what i saw last year both could be good and have potential, we'll see in 2/3 years who will be better.
Leave it to a Spurs fan to gush all over over any Warriors pick.
That guy is always wrong, no matter the subject. Incredible feat tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Walter Donovan
Not a Spurs fan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
We'll see......Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Donovan
Murry is leaps and bounds better than McCaw and it's not even close. McCaw is your typical spot up shooter Spurs have in Bryan Forbes and any other shooter. Dejounte Murray is a slasher that can get to the rim. It's cool and dandy when you show a highlight reel of McCaw, but it's the summer league. Take a look at the video below - Dejounte Murray is schooling all-stars such as Kyrie Irving, KD, Draymond Green, and Karl Anthony Towns. As far as I can tell, McCaw's one-trick pony is shooting 3's because he can't create his shot at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baTmiirkVp8
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Originally Posted by sexinthatsx
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how did you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
How does Spurstalk feel about after yesterday's 20% shooting performance? I know how hot some of our takes can be. Forbes for president.
Are you referring to the game 2 days ago when Murray shot 2/7 (29%)? I'm confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPURt
This!Quote:
Originally Posted by sexinthatsx
I meant McCaw who had 9 points on 3/15 (I think).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kindergarten Cop
Smh someone take the drafting AND car keys away from RC...