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I think it'd be a great pick up. Went too high in the draft and now could be on the block for cheap. Potential high ceiling value if he's in the right system with the right coaches.
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I think it'd be a great pick up. Went too high in the draft and now could be on the block for cheap. Potential high ceiling value if he's in the right system with the right coaches.
This Malcolm Hyde guy is the Adrian Wojorjowski of Yibada.com
Mills and Anderson for okafor? Yea I'd take that. But would the sixers? If they're trying to help the spurs I suppose.
I don't doubt that at all, and i never believe who the spurs are "reportedly" going after, but if he's right on his price dropping the FO should pull the trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
I doubt this. Teams like the Nets and Bulls would definitely go for a player like him. Pipe dream.
colangelo aint giftin the spurs tbh
Or maybe he will, now that Pop and his dad have (supposedly) patched things up?Quote:
Originally Posted by td4mvp2k
Looks like Mills for Okafor straight up works under ESPN Trade Machine...but why would the Sixers do that?
Trade them Manu and Mills, or Parker and Anderson whatever it takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mnky
i really see it as a huge opportunity, throw ljc, bertans and three first rounders to get him
It is safe to say this year that the team the Spurs start the season with will not be the team they finish the season with.
The only Okafor that the Spurs have a chance to get is Emeka.
We're great at drafting and we not favorites to ring anymore. Cant keep throwing draft picks away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
Ginobili, Mills, and 1st.
with kawhi, green and aldridge, we aren't sniffing the lottery anytime soon. plus they would have to be non consecutiveQuote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
You guys are being idiots. Okafor is worth way more than Mills.
Thats why we have to throw in Ginobili (who we KNOW they want or offer Parker/Anderson too.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
The website that is linked to is a pain the ass with all the ads and crap opening and closing. I quit reading because it was frustrating. They got their click.
So the Spurs paid way over what many thought just to resign Manu and you guys think we're about to turn around and trade him to any team? Lol. Don't know when guys will finally understand that Parker and Manu will never be traded, period. You guys must have forgotten how loyal we are to all of our key guys. If we can't stop resigning Bonner, what makes you guys think we're ever going to trade either one of these guys?
This would be good for making it easier to walk around the AT&T Center and for ordering beer. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
:rollin :rollin :rollinQuote:
Originally Posted by Austin_Toros
They probably want to see if embiid can go first.
Green could go for Okafor. 76ers have cap room to absorb contract difference, and need a SG ergo the reason going after Manu. any cash left over by moving Green's contract would then be used to find another SG. Could make sense both ways.
jesus fuck some of you are retarded
He's pretty good defensively, the last time I saw him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Austin_Toros
Intelligent take lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Kony
And what uganda do about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Kony
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Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Nets cant outbid anyone
Did Okafor do something? I just skimmed the article, but I don't think the price has dropped. And Green for Okafor is ridiculous from both sides.
Okafor on the Spurs would mean rings. His style of play is the closest to Tim Duncan's in years.
Seems like speculation from the writer. Nothing from a source, he's quoting Sports Illustrated where a guy is just throwing shit to the wall of places Okafor could land and where he would like to see him end up. http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/...rade-scenariosQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
They have a logjam at the position. Both him and Noel competing. One of them won't develop with the other taking minutes. They'd be smart to trade one away for something they need. But they're asking price last time was a little steep. Looks like they want to move one so why not ask? Can't be told no unless you askQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
better than “hurr durr let's trade manu and mills and picks for a player on a rookie contract hurr durr!” :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Trueblood
That´s one of the thins that you always say: "Woild be great to see if he can develop with us", but we never get the chance to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trueblood
The most sense for us would be Mills+Simmons+2017 first rounder. That is the best and the most realistic offer that we can make.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
Not great, just real.
Any trades at this point will drastically deplete our bench.
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"I think right now it's best to say we like all of them, we want to see if we can make the most out of each of them in terms to their contributions to this team," Colangelo told SiriusXM NBA Radio. "But at the end of the day, the reality says one has to go at some point, but only when the deal is right."
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/21/12...ryan-colangeloQuote:
Last season, it became clear that Okafor and Noel couldn't play together because neither can move down to power forward. Both struggle defending smaller players and neither can score outside the paint with any regularity.
Even if one of them were able to slide down, it wouldn't matter. Next season, that position is going to be filled by Simmons and the 12th pick of the 2014 draft, Dario Saric. Meanwhile, Embiid will take as many minutes as he can handle at center. There's just not enough playing time for everyone, and benching lottery picks is not a good way to maximize assets.
It's a bullshit article. Many teams could use him and would be able to bid much more than Patty Mills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
From Duncan 2.0 hype to getting shopped hard in space of 12 months :lol
Cause that's what i said. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
I thought you were joking, three 1sts for a guy who's ceiling is Brooke Lopez? Mills and a 1st would be about fair priceQuote:
Originally Posted by Raven
sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
I didnt say you did. you Christians and your perceived slights:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Trueblood
Whoa! Spurs aren't known for sticking a knife in the back of a loyal player who took less money to stay with the Spurs. While Philly would get a much better deal than the offer they made to Manu, it would really be a chickenshit way for the Spurs to act.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
They need good point guards BADLY. They need scoring from the guard position, BADLy. They offered a 38 year old Manu 18 million for 2 years fully guaranteed theyre so desperateQuote:
Originally Posted by toki9
Some of the noise around Patty going to Philly is Brett Brown is a big Patty Mills fan from this days coaching the Aussies. I don't know if it would have part in us getting Okafor as I would imagine they could get better value but Patty going to Philly in some deal would not be suprising.
I was suggesting Mills to Philly because they don't have shooting or a good PG during the lead up to the draft. I liked Luwawu but a Luwawu for Mills doesn't make sense sense the Spurs need a good backup and Murray isn't ready.
Mills and a 1st or Mills and Simmons + 1st for Okafor would be a deal worth considering. He can't defend or shoot outside of the paint and is a bad rebounder, and a 68% FT shooter but has potential to be a stellar low post player and is only 20. Heard comparisons to Al Jefferson and Brook Lopez.
You used my post to describe people talking about trading Manu. Don't know how that could be miss perceived. But hey, no hard feelings man. I'll pray for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
I'm not a big fan of Okafor, but I'm going to need the # of your dealer if you think the 76ers are trading Okafor for Mills + Simmons + 1st rounder :lol
I think Okafor's issues are more about attitude and mentality than they are anything else... but he did put up 17 & 7 in an NBA season he started at age 19. That's pretty impressive. If the Spurs vetted him and thought he was capable of maturing (unlike, say, DeMarcus Cousins), I'd absolutely be in favor of trying to grab him... He won't be as good as Karl-Anthony Towns, but at worst he could be a better version of Kanter or B. Lopez on a very inexpensive rookie scale contract.
First proposed trade. Kyle and Patty for Okafur. http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/...rade-scenarios
He put up 17 and 7 at 19 on the worst team in the league hes gotta project to be a better player than brook fuckin lopezQuote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
Based on what I've seen from the Spurs in the last 15 years I don't believe Manu or Parker would ever be traded.
I'll trade Kyle to the 6ers for nothing
I was replying to you about the general topic were posting in? you said “intelligent take” to which i was pointing out that it wasn't much worse than the others in thread, not surprised that went over a xtians head lol. have fun talking to your imaginary sky daddyQuote:
Originally Posted by Trueblood
True to what I've said, I wouldn't do this deal. Would've done it during the draft, though.
we should go for it all in!!!!!!!
Okafurs contract is so small that many teams will throw out offers better than Mills and picks once the asking price drops enough.
No way the spurs land him for that and no way SAS offers Danny for him after the sweetheart deal he gave us.
We gotta make his acquisition a priority. Getting a talented young big man for Kawhi and Murray to team up with? Leverage the present season or two if we must. Trade parker, Anderson, and a couple firsts
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Don't under estimate MVPatty's value. In 2 weeks at the Olympics he'll average 30, lead KD and Melo in scoring again and he's back under the nose of GMs and RC's phone starts ringing again.
He'd have to turn into Iverson-lite to get 1 for 1 consideration for Okafor.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99 Problems
Another #2 pick and bust.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Austin_Toros
Yer for sure. I agree, but it will help perceived value in package trade scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
If he turned into iverson-lite, he'd have more value for us, than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99 Problems
This is a better option than Monroe, Spurs need to make this happen! 76ers keep losing and just want to fill seats at this point.
It is worth it because he has the highest ceiling than all our young players (Anderson/Bertans/Murray) and most likely higher ceiling than anyone we draft in the 20's of the next few years, and is on a cheap contract for 3 more years.
Spurs don't need a glass-cannon center. They will need Anderson's offense. Had the Spurs done this instead of Pau then used the cap space on a guard, that would be one thing. But the team really can't afford it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
Too many reasons to make this work. I hope PATFO isnt foolishly holding on to Parker or Green or Anderson, or any other wing we can replace with Murray.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbdog
I admit i have buyers remorse on Pau, but this a move for the future. And DAMN Andersons offense. Realistically, We wont be winning a chip this year anyway. Gotta surround Kawhi and Murray with as much young, high potential talent as possible for the future dynasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
And i LIKE anderson almost as much as SAGirl. Im sure she'd agree that Parker and Anderson +1 for Okafor is a GREAT trade for kawhi.
Then we just Sign Ty Lawson for the min, play this year out, develop Murray and Bertans and the other young guys and shoot for the chip next year after Durant opts out and Lebron is a year weaker. Maybe with Green/Kawhi/LMA/OK4 Westbrook takes a long hard look at getting revenge with us next season.
the Spurs shitty offers of Anderson, mills, or both aren't close to enough. Especially with someone like Boston who can offer real value for him. I wish philly was that stupid though, but this isn't 2k unfortunately.
throwing draft picks away>? Have you actaully watched an nba draft the past 10 years? it's not like the NFL in which you can get a great pick in the 4th or 5th round. past the 10th pick in the past few drafts, there hasn't been much to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
If you believe this, you may as well pack up for and go on vacation for a few years. GS will only get stronger with time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
Kawhi and Murray don't belong in the same sentence. Anyway, no, when you have two 30-plus-year-old bigs, you aren't trying to build for the future.Quote:
Gotta surround Kawhi and Murray with as much young, high potential talent as possible for the future dynasty.
Wait, PARKER and Anderson plus the first? That's even worse. No. Fuck no. And I don't even like Parker.Quote:
Im sure she'd agree that Parker and Anderson +1 for Okafor is a GREAT trade for kawhi.
Ew. Why not just start Murray if you're throwing the season away?Quote:
Then we just Sign Ty Lawson for the min
Durant is opting out and going right back to Golden State. And shame on you for thinking Lebron is an issue with Kawhi on the team. Obviously, it's he's an awesome player, but the Spurs as currently constructed are more than capable of beating the Cavs. I don't see why they wouldn't be favorites over Cleveland.Quote:
shoot for the chip next year after Durant opts out and Lebron is a year weaker.
I'm not throwing away a chance this year for a chance next year. This is the year to get past GS. If they win, they gel, and Durant calms down to play to his potential. And there's a reason why Okafor would be available for a "you gotta take it" deal. He's not on a star track. I doubt he'd start over Pau, and if he did, I'd be more than concerned about the defense.Quote:
Maybe with Green/Kawhi/LMA/OK4 Westbrook takes a long hard look at getting revenge with us next season.
I agree. People can keep acting like Okafor's value is dropping all they want, but it's not. He's their best center prospect, so it's the value of the guys below him that is the issue. Like what are people offering for Noel? And will someone like Richaun Holmes be cut/traded so the team can put off dealing with their top guys for another year? I don't think Boston is ready to offer real value yet, but they will be if the Sixers get close to dealing for the packages described here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanElliot'sLeftNut
people also act like Noel has a high ceiling, he would have had it if there was ever a chance of him being able to play pf which there isn't. As a center, he's pretty much byombo 2.0Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Not really. Teams have found gems outside of the top 10 picks in the draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by james evans
Kawhi-15th
Gobert 28th
Butler-30th
Ibaka-24th
Batum-25th
George Hill-26th
Dragic-42nd Pick
Teague-19th
Second Rounders
Korver
Parsons
Milsap
Thomas
Middleton
Dray.Green
D. Jordan
M. Gasol
I've stayed out of this one so as to not appear blind, but the truth is that I don't know Okafor enough to yap about him. I do know he's difficult to build around bc offensive centers who don't protect the rim are a bad idea. Perhaps bc of that, I am not eager to trade anyone that we have for him. I know he's young and bound to get better, but we might as well have kept Boban who schooled him pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5
Boston is trying to fleece 76ers on account of Okafors violent incidents in Boston. They also are probably making offers on Westbrook. Until that chip falls they won't be serious about Okafor IMO. Them picking up Al Horford also lessens their desperation for a big.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanElliot'sLeftNut
He and Boban are very different. Even in terms of just like mobility. Okafor has much more upsideQuote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
I'll tell you this, though. I'd do something around Simmons for Jeremi Grant easy.
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I think the Sixers are shopping Noel more than they are Okafor. His upside offensively is miles apart from Okafor or Embiid, though he has some use as an interior defender.
How's his meniscus doing?
Noel might not be a star but defensive big men, specially as roleplayers always have a place in the league and with LMA already in the team, I think he could be fit in better than Okafor. Okafor is a tough cookie. In a few years someone might bump this thread to laugh in my face but I stated ahead of time I am not pretending to know much about him. The 76ers were so bad that it's hard to blame one guy but Noel was their best defensive player and the only guy on there without a net negative. One certainly can't build a team around a blue collar guy like Noel, but he can be an important roleplayer in a championship team, rather than the offensive center who is going to demand touches in the paint, then not be impactful at the other end. :td
Reading page 3 of this thread has absolutely blown my mind. Wow
who told you he doesn't protect the rim?Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
The stats. I don't watch him as I have said, but he's been a net negative on defense. Noel is a +3.4 defensively, Okafor a -1.5. Ironically, Okafor is a net negative offensively too and in BPM much worse than Noel. Whatever he was doing there wasn't good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
so, nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
I can't tell from your comments. Are you just being a devil's advocate? Or have you seen Okafor play some and come to a different conclusion about his defensive skill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
the latter. He's terrible defending the pick and roll, but that shouldn't be what is asked of him in any case. Also, they keep on trying to play high pace bball with him which is retarded. If challenged straight up, he has good mechanics and the shot blocking numbers reflect that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
As a 5, Okafor will have to defend the PnR at times. Teams that employ the PnR as a staple of their offense will run a heavy dose of it against a team that isn't capable of defending it. But it does seem like Okafor (with 2 good legs) would be no worse than Tim was last year. The Spurs seemed to do all right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
you got a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
meh.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
So, you'd give all that up for the next Carlos Boozer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
yep.. then we'd be set for yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
A primary big with no post moves and sub par defensive skills and rebounding is a recipe for perpetual first and second round exits. Basically, you want to give up the farm for a slightly better David West (And I'm not talking prime West, I'm talking about 2016 West) :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Raven
15-16 West was excellent during the regular season and average during the PS, not the greatest comp. especially when West is an excellent mid range shooter and Jah can't shoot outside of the paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
Keeping hearing Brook Lopez and Al Jefferson as player comps that sounds closer to his ceiling. and Raven isn't being serious, I don't think.
no post moves? really? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spurtacular
He was a rookie last year, he'll become much better with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
Yeah Jah's post game is really the only thing scouts rave about dude is apparently gifted in the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven