Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Originally Posted by
TrainOfThought5
He was a rookie last year, he'll become much better with us.
Probably not next season if he were to join and would be an awkward fit going forward. He can't really shoot outside the paint while Gasol and and LMA are elite for big man shooters meaning that one of them is going to have to be paired with him and that would have to be LMA because he is a good rim protector and pretty good rebounder so Jah would have to start.
the bench rotation would look like
Mills
Manu, Simmons
Anderson, Bertans,
Gasol, LJC
Dedmon
It would push Simmons out of a rotation spot (assuming that KA is the backup PF and Simmons is currently the backup 3) meaning that Bertans would be much less likely to see any minutes and Simmons wouldn't play nearly as much as he expected to this season. Gasol is a better C than a PF because he can at least us his length to block shots near the basket instead of having to be pulled away from the basket and forced to cover p&rs, he is also a great Defensive rebounder.
Jah would really only be effective in post ups, next season at least, and how many post ups can he expect with Kawhi getting more touches and shots and Aldridge getting the same and Parker having to step up as the 3rd leg of the big 3. Even if he were to play 28 mpg, he probably wouldn't see the ball in the post more than five or six times a game which would limit his effectiveness. Gasol is probably going to be on the 17-18 team as well so I am not sure he would fit at all with the Spurs the next two years.
Noel would be the better of the two, he projects as an above average starting defensive center and is barely 22 years old.
BTW I saw a rumor that the Cavs were trying to acquire him for Shumpert which would be NBA 2K level highway robbery.
Mills is a better player than Shump in my opinion and I would toss in a 1st rounder to make sure that deal got done.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
I'll tell you this, though. I'd do something around Simmons for Jerami Grant easy.
This should get more discussion. Grant is essentially what we're hoping LJC will end up being, only younger, more athletic and more experienced. I'm not sure how his man-defense is, but it's up to snuff, being able to trot out him, Bertans and Anderson would mean there's an awful lot of versatility on the court.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Raven
no post moves? really? :lol
Maybe if you count the high post.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
First Spurs draft a Dejounte Murray that leaves vulgar tweets, and now there's rumors of them being interested in a player like Jahlil Okafor known to be immature and knock out Boston Celtic fans on the streets. They must be getting desperate.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
This should get more discussion. Grant is essentially what we're hoping LJC will end up being, only younger, more athletic and more experienced. I'm not sure how his man-defense is, but it's up to snuff, being able to trot out him, Bertans and Anderson would mean there's an awful lot of versatility on the court.
I haven't watched him enough to be able to give opinions on him. He's indeed a similar athlete to LJC, but more experienced. I am not sure he would be rotation player for Pop.
As for JSimms, I think we need him for depth while Manu is in the team. He just does things that Manu used to do but can no longer pull off against the elite athletes. His talent finishing at the basket or drawing fouls and his aggressiveness in transition is useful. Bertans is a different player and although I like Dejounte bc he rebounds better, has better instincts coming up with loose balls, and has those long arms to poke balls away, he's raw and very slim, which makes it difficult for him to finish through contact, while JSimms is like a small tank. Dejounte also needs to learn to play within a system and work on his defense and his shot. I expect to see him through the season, but he has to WOW to displace JSimms... although its not out of the possibilities. Ultimately, it's up to JSimms too what he does with his season but I wish him well.
How much can the team spare JSimms in general depends on what role he's expected to play next to Manu, bc he won't repeat a high usage performance like in SL and considering that, the other two guys might do just as well or better.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Originally Posted by
sexinthatsx
First Spurs draft a Dejounte Murray that leaves vulgar tweets, and now there's rumors of them being interested in a player like Jahlil Okafor known to be immature and knock out Boston Celtic fans on the streets. They must be getting desperate.
Those rumors are not even rumors. Its a reporter suggesting spots for Okafor.
In reality there is not really a report that Okafor's trade value has decreased. Colangelo came out saying the opposite.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
Losing Tim Duncan hurts. Spurs should be a dangerous playoff team this season with the roster, but expecting a championship is a bit premature. Okafor would be a Pop project and fill Tim's void, but this trade probably won't happen. All these trade scenarios are because the Spurs just lost an all-time great player to retirement, so the Spurs are in need of some kind of infusion. Gasol will help, but the Spurs lost some depth (Duncan, Boban, Diaw).
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
People are acting like we don't have a big anymore. We've got LMA and Gasol. Neither is Timmy, but no other players are. But consider we just lost a top 10 player to retirement, we are sitting pretty well.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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lmbebo
People are acting like we don't have a big anymore. We've got LMA and Gasol. Neither is Timmy, but no other players are. But consider we just lost a top 10 player to retirement, we are sitting pretty well.
Yes, but the roster has lost some depth. Gasol will get plenty of minutes as a Spur this season and LMA to.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
I haven't watched him enough to be able to give opinions on him. He's indeed a similar athlete to LJC, but more experienced. I am not sure he would be rotation player for Pop.
I'd say he's a far superior athlete to LJC (especially post injury) and would be the best on the team by a decent margin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGJ2TwZ0Eyk
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As for JSimms, I think we need him for depth while Manu is in the team. He just does things that Manu used to do but can no longer pull off against the elite athletes. His talent finishing at the basket or drawing fouls and his aggressiveness in transition is useful. Bertans is a different player and although I like Dejounte bc he rebounds better, has better instincts coming up with loose balls, and has those long arms to poke balls away, he's raw and very slim, which makes it difficult for him to finish through contact, while JSimms is like a small tank. Dejounte also needs to learn to play within a system and work on his defense and his shot. I expect to see him through the season, but he has to WOW to displace JSimms... although its not out of the possibilities. Ultimately, it's up to JSimms too what he does with his season but I wish him well.
How much can the team spare JSimms in general depends on what role he's expected to play next to Manu, bc he won't repeat a high usage performance like in SL and considering that, the other two guys might do just as well or better.
I think Grant would slide right into that spot Simmons currently occupies. In the very least, he seems like a decent (and very willing) help-defender/rim-protector, and seems adept at finishing, which is something that will be needed if Dedmon is indeed the starter. His perimeter skills seemed to have decline a bit since his rookie season. He was pretty much able to dribble-penetrate and spot up during his first year, and both of those things seem to have tapered off somewhat during his sophomore campaign. Depth behind Manu would be a little sticky, but Murray and whichever guard the Spurs keep (if not both) would be there to provide emergency filler. It's not ideal, but neither is relying on Simmons to be a rotation player.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Originally Posted by
sexinthatsx
First Spurs draft a Dejounte Murray that leaves vulgar tweets, and now there's rumors of them being interested in a player like Jahlil Okafor known to be immature and knock out Boston Celtic fans on the streets. They must be getting desperate.
I'm fine with him knocking out Boston fans, like the guy that write 21 reasons why he (and only he) thinks that McHale is better than Duncan.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
I'd say he's a far superior athlete to LJC (especially post injury) and would be the best on the team by a decent margin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGJ2TwZ0Eyk
I think Grant would slide right into that spot Simmons currently occupies. In the very least, he seems like a decent (and very willing) help-defender/rim-protector, and seems adept at finishing, which is something that will be needed if Dedmon is indeed the starter. His perimeter skills seemed to have decline a bit since his rookie season. He was pretty much able to dribble-penetrate and spot up during his first year, and both of those things seem to have tapered off somewhat during his sophomore campaign. Depth behind Manu would be a little sticky, but Murray and whichever guard the Spurs keep (if not both) would be there to provide emergency filler. It's not ideal, but neither is relying on Simmons to be a rotation player.
Hm you are right Chinook, I have to agree with you that he's the much better prospect. It's possible the dribble plays went away once Okafor got in the team and started clogging the lane. Him also not shooting the 3 or being much of a jumpshooter has probably affected drives by now. Simmons is bound to have the same problem if his jumpshot doesn't come back, although he looked like an improved midrange shooter.
I think for Grant, his lack of a 3 pt shot will push him to the 4, but he also doesn't shoot the midrange shot. (I checked his shot chart but he doesn't take many midrange shots and it's possible, he can't make those shots, or they don't fit Brown's system in Philly). He's hard to fit offensively but you can't beat size. The blocks and help defense are more than JSimms does. The question is if 76ers will take JSimmons. Also, Pop and his loyalty. I am inclined to believe they want to give JSimms his chance and only if he is not cutting it, they will look around.
How much of that report of Dedmon starting do you believe? It might be up to still be decided until Pop sees guys in actual training camp, but I have trouble seeing it unless both Kawhi and LMA become better playmakers. I expect Pop to make adjustments to have Kawhi with the ball a lot more this upcoming season, so I guess we will see.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
Terrible article. The proposed deal of Mills + Anderson is both unrealistic, as they'd likely get more for Okafor AND at the same time doesn't make sense for the Spurs to lose their back-up PG and back-up PF for a 3rd center and be left with no money to fix the roster. I guess it could get worse though, something like Green for Okafor and then start Murray :lol
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
This should get more discussion. Grant is essentially what we're hoping LJC will end up being, only younger, more athletic and more experienced. I'm not sure how his man-defense is, but it's up to snuff, being able to trot out him, Bertans and Anderson would mean there's an awful lot of versatility on the court.
He's one of the worst players I have ever seen on an nba field, no offence
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Raven
He's one of the worst players I have ever seen on an nba field, no offence
He's better than Simmons.
Re: The price for Okafor has dropped
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
Hm you are right Chinook, I have to agree with you that he's the much better prospect. It's possible the dribble plays went away once Okafor got in the team and started clogging the lane. Him also not shooting the 3 or being much of a jumpshooter has probably affected drives by now. Simmons is bound to have the same problem if his jumpshot doesn't come back, although he looked like an improved midrange shooter.
I think they are also not letting him have as much freedom to experiment offensively with Okafor getting a ton of touches. I'm not sure if that's affected him getting into a shooting rhythm too, but the fact that Philly seemingly can't teach anyone how to shoot makes me think he's not in the ideal developmental landscape right now.
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I think for Grant, his lack of a 3 pt shot will push him to the 4, but he also doesn't shoot the midrange shot. (I checked his shot chart but he doesn't take many midrange shots and it's possible, he can't make those shots, or they don't fit Brown's system in Philly). He's hard to fit offensively but you can't beat size. The blocks and help defense are more than JSimms does. The question is if 76ers will take JSimmons. Also, Pop and his loyalty. I am inclined to believe they want to give JSimms his chance and only if he is not cutting it, they will look around.
I think he's more of a roll-man than a pop-man, which would go well next to LMA or Gasol. Independent of that, I think, he'd just play wherever. It's not idea for him to be a three next to Anderson's four, but he could probably play off him relatively well. Defensively, he would let Anderson play on the weaker forward, so the concerns about Kyle getting abused in the post don't really apply. But on offense, he'd just be a slasher/diver, and I like that with the passing and spacing that should be available for that unit. His true position probably won't be too big of a deal.
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How much of that report of Dedmon starting do you believe? It might be up to still be decided until Pop sees guys in actual training camp, but I have trouble seeing it unless both Kawhi and LMA become better playmakers. I expect Pop to make adjustments to have Kawhi with the ball a lot more this upcoming season, so I guess we will see.
I think Dedmon can play well next to those guys. Parker should be able to use him on PnRs, and besides that, just having him board and finish would make everyone's live's easier. As far as the likelihood of that happening goes, well it's a tougher call to make. I believe in Keith Smith's credibility, but I just don't see Pau agreeing to that situation. But maybe it's a "I'll try it, but I'm not happy with it" kind of thing. And that means we'll only know if it's a permanent change after seeing it.
