Article: Ginobili heard all summer how he should have been finals MVP

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Originally Posted by Manu'sMagicalLeftHand

So, the Spurs would have won it all with Lebron? Jeez, you are a walking contradiction...or maybe something is lost in translation?

"No Manu, no difference"
"Actually he was important last season"

-Insert one of your 10 million posts saying Lebron James sucks-
"With Lebron Spurs would have been Champs"

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james has not proven he can carry a team
if was a spurs he would not be the best player and would not have to carry the team

the problem with james is he does not trust his teamates
with the spurs duncan would have to trust HIM NOT JAMES has to trust duncan

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Who said anything about reality? Look I'm not arguing Manu's greatness. I 'm probably as big a Manu homer as any non-Argentinian can be. It's just you could swap Manu for Wade, Kobe, T Mac, and win. You can't take Shaq, put hhim on th Spurs and beat Detroit, same with KG.

But to show you how big a Manu homer I am I'd rather have him than Kobe, T Mac, Wade (although that ones tough). Not because I think he's better just that he exemplifies more what I like about the Spurs, intelligence, personality, mature and he's hella fun to watch.

But TD's MVP.

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I think that is bullshit, if you think Kobe would be able to fit into the Spurs system, you've got another thing coming. Kobe needs to be the center of his team's offense to be productive, he just wouldn't be that here. I find it funny that whenever the Spurs try to sign a player every Spurs fan in here is worried about chemistry, but now Manu is suddenly replaceable with any guard who happens to score more points. I'm sorry, but neither of those you mentioned can be acquired at the same price Manu is costing the Spurs, with the exception of Wade, but even with him, you're dreaming.

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Originally Posted by picnroll

ducks you lost me at Melo.

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not sure if melo was a spur instead of manu they would have won it all

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

I think that is bullshit, if you think Kobe would be able to fit into the Spurs system, you've got another thing coming. Kobe needs to be the center of his team's offense to be productive, he just wouldn't be that here. I find it funny that whenever the Spurs try to sign a player every Spurs fan in here is worried about chemistry, but now Manu is suddenly replaceable with any guard who happens to score more points. I'm sorry, but neither of those you mentioned can be acquired at the same price Manu is costing the Spurs.

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why does the other player have to make the same amount?

spurs could trade barry for draft picks and use that saraly for manu's replacement

Basically what we have with Manu is a Superstar that can take control over games BUT IN ADDITION has to also be a team player and do unusual things like give up the ball late in the game and even start at the bench if he has to.

NOBODY MENTIONED ABOVE(WADE,TMAC,KOBE,LEBRON) has both of the above qualifications.

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Originally Posted by ducks

why does the other player have to make the same amount?

spurs could trade barry for draft picks and use that saraly for manu's replacement

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You just don't get it do you?? http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/s...mirolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

I think that is bullshit, if you think Kobe would be able to fit into the Spurs system, you've got another thing coming. Kobe needs to be the center of his team's offense to be productive, he just wouldn't be that here. I find it funny that whenever the Spurs try to sign a player every Spurs fan in here is worried about chemistry, but now Manu is suddenly replaceable with any guard who happens to score more points. I'm sorry, but neither of those you mentioned can be acquired at the same price Manu is costing the Spurs, with the exception of Wade, but even with him, you're dreaming.

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I think you underestimate Pop.

And we weren't talking about price. When I brought up those players then you threw price in as a qualifier.

btw Wade is a team player, and I think LeBron is too and I think Pop could get more out of Kobe as a team player than Phil and all his zen can.

I doubt those players would like to come off the bench
but pop might not have asked them to either
he did that with manu because he knew he would be willing to...

lebron has never been asked not to have the ball late in the game so who knows if he would be willing or not

rember duncan does not get the ball late in the game all the time either

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

You just don't get it do you?? http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/s...mirolleyes.gif

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you not get it

manu is not god

Without Duncan, there would be no championships in San Antonio.

Duncan is definitely, definitely, definitely a more important player than Manu in the spurs system. Hes number 1... then a long ways down Manu is number 2. Just last year it was tony parker who was number 2 - but duncan has always been number 1. Duncan deserved the finals mvp with his game 7 performance. Remember that two of manu's baskets including a three pointer in the fourth quarter of game 7 when he scored 11 points were assists from duncan. The reason Manu had such a big quarter was mainly because duncan was getting doubleteamed in the post and that let manu do his thing unimpeded for the first time the entire series. Also detroit gave up at the end; remember the easy layup manu scored on them with like 2 minutes left? Everyone was talking about Duncan's phenomenal game 7, because it was he who caused everyone else's greatness to show brightly for the first time in a while.

If we win it again this year, Duncan will be finals mvp again. Its just that damn simple.

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Originally Posted by ducks

I doubt those players would like to come off the bench
but pop might not have asked them to either
he did that with manu because he knew he would be willing to...

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Dude! he asked Manu 'cause he HAD TO, not 'cause he could. We had no punch off the bench. Which is exactly what would have happened w/any of the other stars. We would have been fucked!

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Originally Posted by picnroll

I think you underestimate Pop.

And we weren't talking about price. When I brought up those players then you threw price in as a qualifier.

btw Wade is a team player, and I think LeBron is too and I think Pop could get more out of Kobe as a team player than Phil and all his zen can.

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just to clarify...

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

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Originally Posted by ducks

remember, Manu's great but there are probably five or six players that could have taken Manu's place and gotten the Spurs a trophy.

picnroll gets it
we have a winner!

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yeah, five or six players, BUT NOT AT MANU'S SALARY!! Why is it so hard to grasp that concept??

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and then you posted

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Originally Posted by picnroll

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

yeah, five or six players, BUT NOT AT MANU'S SALARY!! Why is it so hard to grasp that concept??

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Wade? Gotcha.

I'd say LeBron but then I'd have ducks on my back too.

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Originally Posted by ducks

you not get it

manu is not god

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I never said he was Ducks!! You're the one saying Manu doesn't make a difference!

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Last year Parker was the Argentines' anti-Christ. Looks like this year they'll be targeting Duncan. :lol

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Bingo.

For the 567th. billion time: No one is discussing Tim's MVP Trophy

The article has taken some people's opinions (some who are basketball fans, others who only watched the Finals) as the whole statement of a nation. Anyone who has been watching the Argentina's National Team in the past 5 years knows that for the Argentinian basketball community (fans, coaches, players, journalists -not all, some like to stir things up in order to have something to write about-) individual goals are nowhere near winning trophies.

The discussion here is how much was Manu's influence worth in winning the Larry O'Brien trophy.

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

Dude! he asked Manu 'cause he HAD TO, not 'cause he could. We had no punch off the bench. Which is exactly what would have happened w/any of the other stars. We would have been fucked!

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had theyhad no choice they might have

ai no
but in the playoffs players want to win they might have WHO KNOW"S FOR SURE?

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Originally Posted by z0sa

Without Duncan, there would be no championships in San Antonio.

Duncan is definitely, definitely, definitely a more important player than Manu in the spurs system. Hes number 1... then a long ways down Manu is number 2. Just last year it was tony parker who was number 2 - but duncan has always been number 1. Duncan deserved the finals mvp with his game 7 performance. Remember that two of manu's baskets including a three pointer in the fourth quarter of game 7 when he scored 11 points were assists from duncan. The reason Manu had such a big quarter was mainly because duncan was getting doubleteamed in the post and that let manu do his thing unimpeded for the first time the entire series. Also detroit gave up at the end; remember the easy layup manu scored on them with like 2 minutes left? Everyone was talking about Duncan's phenomenal game 7, because it was he who caused everyone else's greatness to show brightly for the first time in a while.

If we win it again this year, Duncan will be finals mvp again. Its just that damn simple.

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Do you post without reading what the hell is being discussed often?

Ohh
whats the name of this thread?
my screens messed up...

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Originally Posted by ducks

had theyhad no choice they might have

ai no
but in the playoffs players want to win they might have WHO KNOW"S FOR SURE?

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what??

Okay. I won't argue Manu's not a bargian. But then we go back to Wade and LeBron who do have lower salaries regardless of why and to cover yourself you had to bring in reality.

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

what??

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manu was forced to come off the bench in the playoffs

someone said lebron,mcgrady,kobe, and wade would not

I said players want to win in the postseason

they might be willing to do that in the playoffs if it meant winning a title

they are assuming only manu would do that


they forgot duncan has came off the bench before

I see ducks still sucks.

Melo > Lebron, eh?

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Okay. I won't argue Manu's not a bargian. But then we go back to Wade and LeBron who do have lower salaries regardless of why and to cover yourself you had to bring in reality.

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fine picnroll, now that you know I was talking about reality, do you see where I'm coming from?

Man, this topic turned to crap very quickly. It's just an article saying Manu's family and fans thought he should be MVP and then Manu humbly knows that it's not about individual accolades. End of story.

No Manu, No Championship.
No Tim, No Championship.
No Horry, No Championship.
No Bowen, No Championship.
No Popovich, No Championship ...

Well you get the picture .. Basketball is a team sport.

So get over yourselves.

And Mookie, you say you never post in the Spurs forum anymore because no one knows anything. I don't recall that you've ever posted anything of substance in the Spurs forum. So until you do, don't complain about other people's lack of basketball knowledge.

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Originally Posted by LittleGeneral

I see ducks still sucks.

Melo > Lebron, eh?

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why do I suck?



because thinking a college player would be better then a unproven highschool player

melo proved in college he was good
college is not the nba but it is closer then highschool