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Training Camp Waivers 2016
Any interest in players being waived, share here, please.
Some players I had interest in before that have been waived:
Ben Bentil
J.p. Tokoto
Damien Inglis
Spencer Dinwiddie
Will Bynum
Boston is dangling James Young or RJ Hunter for a second round pick. I'd take either in a heart beat. Especially Hunter.
Not sure if anyone is worth it on the first list, I liked Bentil but Young or Hunter would be good for depth.
Just some interest.
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They're waived for a reason...
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apalisoc_9
They're waived for a reason...
True about my first list but James Young and RJ Hunter are legit talents that are being offered because Boston's stockpile of assets is on the verge of backfiring, especially if teams don't want to make a deal cause they know they can have them on the waiver wire.
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raybies
True about my first list but James Young and RJ Hunter are legit talents that are being offered because Boston's stockpile of assets is on the verge of backfiring, especially if teams don't want to make a deal cause they know they can have them on the waiver wire.
James Young has had two years to make an impression. Still very young 20. Hunter- there was always a concern how his game would translate to the NBA. The fact they are bailing on both, is telling.
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raybies
True about my first list but James Young and RJ Hunter are legit talents that are being offered because Boston's stockpile of assets is on the verge of backfiring, especially if teams don't want to make a deal cause they know they can have them on the waiver wire.
Danny Ainge is desperate AF, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if he was the who planted the Aldridge-not-happy rumor...
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Should the Celtics be unsuccessful in acquiring a 2nd for Young or Hunter and one is waived and not claimed by one of the other 28 teams who'd have a chance to before the Spurs, they'd at least be worth considering.
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Spurs are already log-jammed as it is.
My gut tells me they go with Anthony. If they happen to make the executive decision to waive Simmons or LJC (which would be expensive, but probably worth the cost), I think Forbes is next in line...but it's a toss up between him and Lapro.
Anybody who doesn't get waived, or anybody in this thread, has an open spot in Austin tbh.
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Dex
Spurs are already log-jammed as it is.
My gut tells me they go with Anthony. If they happen to make the executive decision to waive Simmons or LJC (which would be expensive, but probably worth the cost), I think Forbes is next in line...but it's a toss up between him and Lapro.
Anybody who doesn't get waived, or anybody in this thread, has an open spot in Austin tbh.
I get the feeling Lapdog will head off to Europe, before playing in Austin. I could be wrong though...
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Agreed on Anthony, they will keep him purely out of experience. He also hasn't looked too shabby this offseason.
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There's going to be many interesting prospects becoming available. Going to be interesting to see what Spurs will do.
If I'm SA, I shop Patty to a hopeful playoff team for their 1st or a lottery team ( Sixers) for their 2nd. Make room for Laprovitolla and sign him to a cheap 800K 3-4 year deal to compete w/ Murray for back up PG spot next year ( think Lapro is more ready now).
That would open up a spot w/ Laprovitolla on the roster.
If Prigioni can carve a back up role in the NBA, Lapro can. Lapro is younger and more versatile offensively with the same motor on D.
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Originally Posted by
Dex
Spurs are already log-jammed as it is.
My gut tells me they go with Anthony. If they happen to make the executive decision to waive Simmons or LJC (which would be expensive, but probably worth the cost), I think Forbes is next in line...but it's a toss up between him and Lapro.
Anybody who doesn't get waived, or anybody in this thread, has an open spot in Austin tbh.
We are over the cap but under the tax by about 3 mil so it doesn't really matter if we have to pay Simmons or LJC then pay say Frobes and Anthony. As long as we stay under the tax. And remember we can take back 125% of matching salary in a trade. So that is when the tax threshold could become an issue.
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MaNu4Tres
There's going to be many interesting prospects becoming available. Going to be interesting to see what Spurs will do.
If I'm SA, I shop Patty to a hopeful playoff team for their 1st or a lottery team ( Sixers) for their 2nd. Make room for Laprovitolla and sign him to a cheap 800K 3-4 year deal to compete w/ Murray for back up PG spot next year ( think Lapro is more ready now).
That would open up a spot w/ Laprovitolla on the roster.
If Prigioni can carve a back up role in the NBA, Lapro can. Lapro is younger and more versatile offensively with the same motor on D.
Yeah... that's a good idea. imo. Really good, upon further reflection...
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tonight...you
Yeah... that's a good idea. imo. Really good, upon further reflection...
Also, Patty is due to make 9-11 mil per year next summer (if his agent does his job right). Plans to pay him make absolutely no sense from an economical stand point. Especially when they drafted Murray ( who will be making 1/10th of Pattys soon to be market value), and when they have Laprovittola more than capable to fill in a back up role now, and at worst, compete for it next year (if Murray progresses quickly and Spurs have to play him).
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My dude Manu4 wants to trade everyone :lol
I prefer to have a good team this year...
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I'd take RJ Hunter over ScrubMo in a heartbeat.
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DPG21920
My dude Manu4 wants to trade everyone :lol
I prefer to have a good team this year...
If you think the difference between Patty and Lapdog is what makes this team good, or not... I just don't know what to say.
As far as this particular topic of conversation is being concerned with...
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DPG21920
My dude Manu4 wants to trade everyone :lol
I prefer to have a good team this year...
Yeah, that was my reaction to his post as well. First LMA now Paddy. Dude is super eager to blow it the fuck up. :lol
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Spurs can't claim any player that makes more than the minimum. Both Celtic players make more than that. They also can't trade for either player without sending salary back in return, something that Boston doesn't want.
As to Lapro, he is under a minimum contract. If he is not waived, that contract remains in force. Even if it didn't, the Spurs can't sign him, or any free agent, to anything other than a minimum deal.
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FkLA
I'd take RJ Hunter over ScrubMo in a heartbeat.
RJ Hunter is a less athletic version of Bertans.:wakeup
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FkLA
Yeah, that was my reaction to his post as well. First LMA now Paddy. Dude is super eager to blow it the fuck up. :lol
Trading Patty would be blowing it up? Wow. I can't agree there.
Patty is overrated on this board for his shot making in the 2014 run. He's a damn good shooter but that's the extent of what he does above average on the offensive end. On defense, he doesn't have the size to be as effective as his heart wants to be.
Patty is a great guy, and I understand there's a sentimental side that inflates his value, but there's not a huge significance difference between him and what I've seen from Lapro. IMO Trading him is in no way blowing it up.
And where did I say I want LaMarcus traded? All I did was comment on the scenario that was rumored and explored that side of it.
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DPG21920
My dude Manu4 wants to trade everyone :lol
I prefer to have a good team this year...
The only guy I said I'd trade is Patty based on the impressive play of Laprovittola. Edit: And Anderson as well. Both guys are outliers that wouldn't blow up the team if moved. IMO.
Everything I said on LaMarcus was hypothetical if the rumors were to be true.
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MaNu4Tres
Trading Patty would be blowing it up? Wow. I can't agree there.
Patty is overrated on this board for his shot making in the 2014 run. He's a damn good shooter but that's the extent of what he does above average on the offensive end. On defense, he doesn't have the size to be as effective as his heart wants to be.
Patty is a great guy, and I understand there's a sentimental side that inflates his value, but there's not a huge significance difference between him and what I've seen from Lapro. IMO Trading him is in no way blowing it up.
And where did I say I want LaMarcus traded? All I did was comment on the scenario that was rumored and explored that side of it.
You and I butted heads in that thread, but I knew you weren't out and out advocating to trade LMA. We were just debating... silly things like validity and subjective opinions and objective analysis, as it was being put out there.
But interpretive cognizance and lack of it is a real thing and we are all a victim of it more times than we like to admit.
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The Spurs are going to be, what, O & 10, O & 12 until Danny gets back? Seems like a perfect time to trade the first for more value than it actually has.
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Chinook
The Spurs are going to be, what, O & 10, O & 12 until Danny gets back? Seems like a perfect time to trade the first for more value than it actually has.
Lol, awesome. At the very least, my brother! Your optimism brims with the crisp taste of Folgers flavor crystals and I'm drinking it with full-on heavy cream!
HEAVY CREAM BABY!
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tonight...you
You and I butted heads in that thread, but I knew you weren't out and out advocating to trade LMA. We were just debating... silly things like validity and subjective opinions and objective analysis, as it was being put out there.
But interpretive cognizance and lack of it is a real thing and we are all a victim of it more times than we like to admit.
:toast
:bobo
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FkLA
I'd take RJ Hunter over ScrubMo in a heartbeat.
I'd take RJ for Simmons for sure.
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apalisoc_9
They're waived for a reason...
You should be waived for a reason...
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For those of you interested in RJ Hunter, Jarrell Eddie just got waived.
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Lol Boston trying to grt a second rounder for RJ Hunter :lol
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raybies
Everyone knew this was going to happen..three more guys to waive. LJC despite his contract..dude is so deficient skill wise
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I wonder why they did it so early? Maybe there is still a chance he catches on? I know they were talking about teams doing it on Saturday, but really early. Also makes me wonder what's going to happen with Richards.
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FkLA
I'd take RJ Hunter over ScrubMo in a heartbeat.
This^^
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Well in the interview with Pop, he said they would make the decision tonight.
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raybies
Well in the interview with Pop, he said they would make the decision tonight.
What decision? The final roster spot decision?
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Ice009
What decision? The final roster spot decision?
yes, ill post links
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raybies
Well, Pop's dead fish eye interview game is in almost-regular season form. Guess he's ready to go.
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And think about it from this perspective, do you want these guys sweating it out all night. It's not "classy" or Spurs way imo. We'll know some point tonight.
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toki9
Well, Pop's dead fish eye interview game is in almost-regular season form. Guess he's ready to go.
his eyes were bloodshot.
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Chinook
I wonder why they did it so early? Maybe there is still a chance he catches on? I know they were talking about teams doing it on Saturday, but really early. Also makes me wonder what's going to happen with Richards.
They just extended Kyle today too. I am thinking it's just taking care of business. Whatever it was they needed to get squared up and discuss among the coaches they have and want to move on with other things.
I remember on the Laprovittola thing, he really looked to be the front runner and was playing well, but Pop gave that interview where he said they would wait until the last game to make decisions, unless someone needed an answer sooner. Lapro definitely must have caught a good offer somewhere and had his chat with Pop and made up his mind on what was best for him. Why hold up the decision. They probably know who they want. What is going to be difficult is deciding whether they want to cut someone already under contract to get Anthony and Forbes in the team.
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SAGirl
They just extended Kyle today too. I am thinking it's just taking care of business. Whatever it was they needed to get squared up and discuss among the coaches they have and want to move on with other things.
I remember on the Laprovittola thing, he really looked to be the front runner and was playing well, but Pop gave that interview where he said they would wait until the last game to make decisions, unless someone needed an answer sooner. Lapro definitely must have caught a good offer somewhere and had his chat with Pop and made up his mind on what was best for him. Why hold up the decision. They probably know who they want. What is going to be difficult is deciding whether they want to cut someone already under contract to get Anthony and Forbes in the team.
Sign Forbes, Garino, and Anthony and cut Simmons and LJC and call it a day.
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raybies
Sign Forbes, Garino, and Anthony and cut Simmons and LJC and call it a day.
I wouldn't cut LJC for Pato. He should still be there with the Toros if the team needs him. He has some things that make him a good prospect, but he has issues as well. And he's older the Livio.
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Chinook
I wouldn't cut LJC for Pato. He should still be there with the Toros if the team needs him. He has some things that make him a good prospect, but he has issues as well. And he's older the Livio.
But, but, but, Pato can be played right now imo. Livio can't. What's he going to do on offense? Pato has an NBA skill right now, his defense albeit unrefined, and helps the ball movement. He's very close to being a 3 and D player right now. A little bit more repetitions and he could do it. Personally, although insignificant, I trust him when he's in the game. He makes few mistakes and plays very solid d. He's also at a position as of now that needs a little more bolstering.
But in my mind it's Anthony for Livio, and Garino for Simmons.
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The news is probably gonna be broken by Charania.
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raybies
But, but, but, Pato can be played right now imo. Livio can't. What's he going to do on offense? Pato has an NBA skill right now, his defense albeit unrefined, and helps the ball movement. He's very close to being a 3 and D player right now. A little bit more repetitions and he could do it. Personally, although insignificant, I trust him when he's in the game. He makes few mistakes and plays very solid d. He's also at a position as of now that needs a little more bolstering.
But in my mind it's Anthony for Livio, and Garino for Simmons.
Its crazy but I trust Pato more than Simmons.
Pato is not going to heroball. He's going to take a shot hit or miss, and will make decisions aimed at moving the ball. Yea he will make a mistake here or there but I have definitely liked what he has for a rookie and he's needed. I agree. He's also played in the olympics, that kind of thing steels oneself for competition.
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The Simmons of last preseason could not hold a candle next to Pato TBH but I will be disappointed when Pato goes to the dleague and we keep Simmons. lol:wtf
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raybies
But, but, but, Pato can be played right now imo. Livio can't. What's he going to do on offense? Pato has an NBA skill right now, his defense albeit unrefined, and helps the ball movement. He's very close to being a 3 and D player right now. A little bit more repetitions and he could do it. Personally, although insignificant, I trust him when he's in the game. He makes few mistakes and plays very solid d. He's also at a position as of now that needs a little more bolstering.
But in my mind it's Anthony for Livio, and Garino for Simmons.
Garino for Simmons makes sense, and Anthony in general makes sense. But the Spurs getting rid of a player whom they control for 4-9 years for a one-year, 34-year-old vet is hardly an obvious choice. There's no question that Livio doesn't look good now. But with the way guys can improve over time, you have to give him that chance, in my opinion. You don't need 15 guys who can all play now. You have to develop people too, and honestly, I'd feel more comfortable with Livio in a game than Murray right now, because at least Livio is going to make the right rotation on defense and not clog up the offense trying to do too much.
Again, though, I firmly believe Pato will be there in Austin if the Spurs need him. He's done nothing that would make another team desperate to sign him, especially over the guys who are going to get cut from other teams. And whenever the Spurs decide to sign him, they can give him the exact same deal he has already, including regaining his RFA rights. With Livio, if he's cut, he can't be brought back on the same deal.
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Chinook
Again, though, I firmly believe Pato will be there in Austin if the Spurs need him. He's done nothing that would make another team desperate to sign him, especially over the guys who are going to get cut from other teams. And whenever the Spurs decide to sign him, they can give him the exact same deal he has already, including regaining his RFA rights. With Livio, if he's cut, he can't be brought back on the same deal.
It's a risk I'm willing to take.
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raybies
It's a risk I'm willing to take.
Well, sure, you're willing to take the risk when it's not your $3 Million. :lol
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Chinook
Well, sure, you're willing to take the risk when it's not your $3 Million. :lol
Yeah, i cracked myself up. lol
It would be uncharacteristic of PATFO to make a move like that, so I do agree. I just think for the same reasons you cut Garino can be said about LJC. No one is gonna pick up either if they are waved imo. But I disagree about one thing though, about the developing part, we already have Murray, and with so many new faces, you need options that are viable. You can't just have people occupying spots that are deadweight. We are severely thin at the center spot. Dedmon is hit or miss. Lee is more of a PF. I'm not even saying Anthony should be the one. I'd look at the waiver wire, but he's got experience. He was on the champion heat. Another champion doesn't hurt. He'll understand his role and be high character. The money makes it tough, but that doesn't mean you owe it to him. If you don't think he has it, you cut him loose and and let him have his money. I do agree that it's not a good idea to waive a guy that you have locked up, potentially, for several years but that's only something if he shows progress. I personally think him and Simmons, have showed little improvement over the last couple years but maybe they understand that they are low ceiling. If they keep either or both they must have plans for them. I think Juice is on a shorter leash though.
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i reached out to my sources
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raybies
Yeah, i cracked myself up. lol
It would be uncharacteristic of PATFO to make a move like that, so I do agree. I just think for the same reasons you cut Garino can be said about LJC. No one is gonna pick up either if they are waved imo. But I disagree about one thing though, about the developing part, we already have Murray, and with so many new faces, you need options that are viable. You can't just have people occupying spots that are deadweight. We are severely thin at the center spot. Dedmon is hit or miss. Lee is more of a PF. I'm not even saying Anthony should be the one. I'd look at the waiver wire, but he's got experience. He was on the champion heat. Another champion doesn't hurt. He'll understand his role and be high character. The money makes it tough, but that doesn't mean you owe it to him. If you don't think he has it, you cut him loose and and let him have his money. I do agree that it's not a good idea to waive a guy that you have locked up, potentially, for several years but that's only something if he shows progress. I personally think him and Simmons, have showed little improvement over the last couple years but maybe they understand that they are low ceiling. If they keep either or both they must have plans for them. I think Juice is on a shorter leash though.
Well, we'll have to wait and see, obviously. SAEN suggested that LJC could be on the chopping block, so it won't come out of nowhere if he is cut. But remember that the Spurs can only have 13 players active for each game. So when you think about it, having a guy like Livio who's parked in Austin all year is a better use of a roster spot than a guy who's going to be in a suit behind the bench all year. If you need an emergency fill-in, you can get by with Livio just as easily as anyone else. The truth is that the only reason why Joel might make the team is because Dedmon looks shaky as the backup center. But with Lee looking good enough to spell him and Bertans showing out, the team actually has five big-man spots taken care of. Ideally, you want someone like Carl Landry over Anthony for the sixth big, but neither should play over the top five as well as Anderson and Kawhi in small-ball.
I don't see a point in paying so much money to have Murray, Arcidiacono, Pato, LJC in the d-league when you can have that same group while spending no additional money. What you risk is someone signing Pato, but even if that's the case, you have someone like Hunter, Sampson or Young, the guys in the OP and numerous other wings I don't know about. It never pays to fall too in love with 16th men. I'd much rather let Pato show that he's able to stand out in Austin before making irrevocable roster moves to protect him.
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raybies
i reached out to my sources
:cheerThat guy is the most lovable Spur!
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Well if they can keep just one guy I think it's Forbes.
They then do Garino if they get fed up with Simmons midseason or so.
Anthony is tough to let go, but they have Dedmon and he might have been losing minutes to Lee and Bertans and might be looking like the 5th big and in and out of the rotation depending on how the other bigs are holding up and his own play.
That is my #Nostradamus prediction. I have trouble seeing them part with somebody bc they have not reached Jimmer levels, but they might. Older souls than me have educated me on Pop pimping dudes that should not have been pimped. :lol
Also, I can't help but feeling that despite the fun game and the win, Pop was in foul mood bc it's never easy to give bad news to good guys and that is what he was about to do or is getting ready to do tomorrow.
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Chinook
Well, we'll have to wait and see, obviously. SAEN suggested that LJC could be on the chopping block, so it won't come out of nowhere if he is cut. But remember that the Spurs can only have 13 players active for each game. So when you think about it, having a guy like Livio who's parked in Austin all year is a better use of a roster spot than a guy who's going to be in a suit behind the bench all year. If you need an emergency fill-in, you can get by with Livio just as easily as anyone else. The truth is that the only reason why Joel might make the team is because Dedmon looks shaky as the backup center. But with Lee looking good enough to spell him and Bertans showing out, the team actually has five big-man spots taken care of. Ideally, you want someone like Carl Landry over Anthony for the sixth big, but neither should play over the top five as well as Anderson and Kawhi in small-ball.
I don't see a point in paying so much money to have Murray, Arcidiacono, Pato, LJC in the d-league when you can have that same group while spending no additional money. What you risk is someone signing Pato, but even if that's the case, you have someone like Hunter, Sampson or Young, the guys in the OP and numerous other wings I don't know about. It never pays to fall too in love with 16th men. I'd much rather let Pato show that he's able to stand out in Austin before making irrevocable roster moves to protect him.
Good points as usual. I'm looking forward to see what PATFO decides. Staying up right now and hitting the refresh over and over like it's the darn trade deadline.
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raybies
Good points as usual. I'm looking forward to see what PATFO decides. Staying up right now and hitting the refresh over and over like it's the darn trade deadline.
12/15 is the day for me. That will be the first day they could trade Dedmon. If they are unhappy with their backup center, a move could come just after that time.
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SAGirl
:cheerThat guy is the most lovable Spur!
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Well if they can keep just one guy I think it's Forbes.
They then do Garino if they get fed up with Simmons midseason or so.
Anthony is tough to let go, but they have Dedmon and he might have been losing minutes to Lee and Bertans and might be looking like the 5th big and in and out of the rotation depending on how the other bigs are holding up and his own play.
That is my #Nostradamus prediction. I have trouble seeing them part with somebody bc they have not reached Jimmer levels, but they might. Older souls than me have educated me on Pop pimping dudes that should not have been pimped. :lol
Also, I can't help but feeling that despite the fun game and the win, Pop was in foul mood bc it's never easy to give bad news to good guys and that is what he was about to do or is getting ready to do tomorrow.
Solid take. Makes sense.
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The campaign going back to before training camp by Kyle-verts wishing Simmons getting cut has been entertaining, but also sad.
Simmons is a minimum expiring deal at 6-6 who shoots serviceably from three, shines in transition, and when not covering ball handlers in PnR is not that bad defensively.
And in a real, high stakes game he is probably is out of a 10 man rotation, even 11 man rotation. He's just an energy guy to come in and change a game, on the best possible contract while also not blocking the development of anyone.
The knives are out for him because he has occasionally made Kyle look bad and has often taken minutes from him that he would have never received if not for high pedigree high IQ UCLA superstar Kyle disappointing the powers that be.
That's it. And the knives will come out for Bertans once he starts taking minutes away.
So Simmons has a rough handle? So he gets out of control when he's ball dominating?
So what? He's a fringe outside the rotation player who has things he does do well. Why want to see him cut?
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I didn't see this quote from Pop earlier, but it doesn't sound like a guy who is about to get cut: "Jon (Jonathon Simmons), will probably miss a few days, maybe,” said Popovich. “Danny will be weeks."
I don't see any way to let go of a guy like Bryn Forbes. He's made 50% of his 3's in the pre-season. I don't care if it was pre-season competition - if they can get him some open shots, he can clearly knock them down. That kept Boobie Gibson in the league for 7 years. If the Spurs were to let him go, I don't have much doubt that someone else would clear a roster spot for a knock-down 3P shooter.
Chinook is probably right, and they keep LJC. I'd keep Garino over him, but they probably won't.
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Objective no hard feelings. I have given Simmons a fair chance but I just don't like his game. If he didn't feel the need to hero ball and stayed within a team concept I could grow to like him, but sadly he hasn't. He's evolved into a ball dominant player who heroballs and has lost the touch from 3. He's not playing off the ball well at all bc he doesn't space the floor for others and what he's been doing with the ball in his hands has been mostly selfish or a bad pass. He doesn't have the talent to be that high usage. I liked him more b4 Pop tried to turn him into a Ginobili clone which he's not. He used to be a fine off ball player.
I have loved Bertans and actually felt time ago the bench would be better with him at the 4. I like that he's a shooter but stays within a team concept and looks to pass and make plays for teammates as well, and takes his shots within the offense. I have liked many things from many of the new players but there's not one thing I have liked from Simmons except transition scoring and he had that last season too.
Anyways the criticism for him has never risen to the levels Anderson has, who still has like 200 threads against him on a regular basis and props up everywhere with guys hating on him.... so I don't know why you are so hurt. The criticism for Simmons is deserved. I always hated comparison between the two as they were very different players but it was actually a huge Anderson hate brigade that pimped Simmons up basically bc they disliked Anderson, not the reverse.
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Anyways, he's going to be healthy and playing in the season opener:
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I didn't see this quote from Pop earlier, but it doesn't sound like a guy who is about to get cut: "Jon (Jonathon Simmons), will probably miss a few days, maybe,” said Popovich. “Danny will be weeks."
I don't see any way to let go of a guy like Bryn Forbes. He's made 50% of his 3's in the pre-season. I don't care if it was pre-season competition - if they can get him some open shots, he can clearly knock them down. That kept Boobie Gibson in the league for 7 years. If the Spurs were to let him go, I don't have much doubt that someone else would clear a roster spot for a knock-down 3P shooter.
Chinook is probably right, and they keep LJC. I'd keep Garino over him, but they probably won't.
He's not. I didn't think he would. Pop has pimped him up, but they also need him. It's his opportunity to earn the coach's trust.
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Objective no hard feelings. I have given Simmons a fair chance but I just don't like his game. If he didn't feel the need to hero ball and stayed within a team concept I could grow to like him, but sadly he hasn't. He's evolved into a ball dominant player who heroballs and has lost the touch from 3. He's not playing off the ball well at all bc he doesn't space the floor for others and what he's been doing with the ball in his hands has been mostly selfish or a bad pass. He doesn't have the talent to be that high usage. I liked him more b4 Pop tried to turn him into a Ginobili clone which he's not. He used to be a fine off ball player.
I have loved Bertans and actually felt time ago the bench would be better with him at the 4. I like that he's a shooter but stays within a team concept and looks to pass and make plays for teammates as well, and takes his shots within the offense. I have liked many things from many of the new players but there's not one thing I have liked from Simmons except transition scoring and he had that last season too.
Anyways the criticism for him has never risen to the levels Anderson has, who still has like 200 threads against him on a regular basis and props up everywhere with guys hating on him.... so I don't know why you are so hurt. The criticism for Simmons is deserved. I always hated comparison between the two as they were very different players but it was actually a huge Anderson hate brigade that pimped Simmons up basically bc they disliked Anderson, not the reverse.
No hard feelings from me. And no offense to you or others.
Your complaints about Simmons change nothing I wrote about his game. The Spurs have been the ones having him do this expanded role that you don't like the results of. They wanted to see if he could be more than an energy transition fringe player with decent size.
So far it's maybe looking like he's failed at being more. I'm not so sure, seeing as how he was trash last preseason also. He might just be a bad, nervous, shook camp guy. But let's say he's totally proven that he'll never replace Ginobili in the future as a ball handler and is best as an end of bench energy guy on a minimum deal ...
That's still a very good thing to have. So he gets reined in any back in that role. Great value and a useful piece who barely sees the court when Leonard, Manu and Green are at full strength on the wings with Kyle getting opportunities there also.
That's why calls to cut him aren't 'deserved criticism' but more like sour grapes that Kyle is still at risk for losing minutes to Simmons. After all, Kyle is the legendary point guard skilled wing who has the highest IQ. How on earth does Simmons get ball handling opportunities when Magic Boris Anderson is there? Maybe if he's cut, Kyle won't have to worry about it, right?
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It's absurd that think the Simmons criticism is based in Anderson homerism. Jonathon came on the scene in the summer league, where Kyle outplayed him. Then Simmons came into pre-season and played horribly. If anything the desire for him to be cut came from there when Rasual was outplaying him but looked to have no chance at the roster. It just sort of intensified as Simmons continued to come up small while Butler was the one cut for the abortion that was Kevin Martin. So now we have a guy who's middle-aged NBA-wise and has less role-player potential than guys like Forbes and Garino who are four years younger than him and locked into better contracts.
And that once a-freaking-gain underscores why citing Simmons' contract is a horrible argument. Anywhere from 20-40 percent of NBA players make less $1.5 Million. (That's just me spit-balling. It's not going to be much less than that, but it could be much more.) A guy who's "probably is out of a 10 man rotation, even 11 man rotation" is not worth more than the min, especially if he's 27. Simmons is not good value; he's getting paid exactly what he's worth. Does he have a role as an energy player? Sure. Is that a necessary role? Nope. Would some if not most of us rather have a shooter or a defensive big in that spot instead of an energy guy? Yes.
This is really simple: Simmons is not a good player. Not even his biggest supporters are arguing that. It doesn't take a conspiracy theory to explain why so many people want to cut a guy who's not good and who apparently doesn't have upside for younger players who can make more impact in the future and/or bolster players who are currently disappointing or injured.
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See you have to go with the comparison again. What Kyle is at this level no one knows exactly. His game is basically unfolding b4 us. We debate for entertainment with guys about him, and the haters are obnoxious and numerous. But he got to the Spurs a very young player being something else to begin with, and has evolved, molded by Pop and is still growing as a player due to his youth, so that is interesting to watch.
Anyways it's on Pop where he's going with Simmons. He is an older player who may have reached the apex on his talents, thus why he's looking more or less the same.
To be fair, Garino is younger than Simmons was last season and has looked better in his rookie preseason than Simmons did his own rookie preseason so I think Garino can be the better player if given an opportunity. I see more potential for a better shooter and defender and the guy is not as prone to mistakes as Simmons is, so I like him more.
But this is Simmons chance and Pop has liked him enough to be hopeful that he can improve, and even articles I read and posted in Simmons church attest to the fact that he's worked hard to improve, so he's not easy to part with for Pop without getting a chance and that he will. I am not wishing that the guy fails, but I haven't liked what he's been doing out there I can tell you that.
Edit: bottom line my opinion on JSimms has nothing to do with Kyle TBH.
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As much as I am disappointed in Simmons' play, I'm not ready to let go of him yet. I think Pop feels the same. He's got some things that he does well and I think he'll get one more chance this season. Hopefully he makes the most of it.
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As much as I am disappointed in Simmons' play, I'm not ready to let go of him yet. I think Pop feels the same. He's got some things that he does well and I think he'll get one more chance this season. Hopefully he makes the most of it.
When I thought he wouldn't get cut even for guys who are deserving (In my mind Garino is deserving on his own merit and would have dethroned Simms last season if they came into the same camp together), but anyways when I thought he wouldn't get cut I always thought of Daye and Ayers and how Pop let go of guys like Jamychal Green bc the other two were under contract, though JGreen was the younger player who had shown improvement, whereas the other two were around Simmons age and pretty much stagnant in development.
Thus I am not convinced that he's worth keeping over Garino, but it's not my call, it's the coach.
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Forbes will not be cut.... The dude can shoot!
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It's absurd that think the Simmons criticism is based in Anderson homerism. Jonathon came on the scene in the summer league, where Kyle outplayed him. Then Simmons came into pre-season and played horribly. If anything the desire for him to be cut came from there when Rasual was outplaying him but looked to have no chance at the roster. It just sort of intensified as Simmons continued to come up small while Butler was the one cut for the abortion that was Kevin Martin. So now we have a guy who's middle-aged NBA-wise and has less role-player potential than guys like Forbes and Garino who are four years younger than him and locked into better contracts.
And that once a-freaking-gain underscores why citing Simmons' contract is a horrible argument. Anywhere from 20-40 percent of NBA players make less $1.5 Million. (That's just me spit-balling. It's not going to be much less than that, but it could be much more.) A guy who's "probably is out of a 10 man rotation, even 11 man rotation" is not worth more than the min, especially if he's 27. Simmons is not good value; he's getting paid exactly what he's worth. Does he have a role as an energy player? Sure. Is that a necessary role? Nope. Would some if not most of us rather have a shooter or a defensive big in that spot instead of an energy guy? Yes.
This is really simple: Simmons is not a good player. Not even his biggest supporters are arguing that. It doesn't take a conspiracy theory to explain why so many people want to cut a guy who's not good and who apparently doesn't have upside for younger players who can make more impact in the future and/or bolster players who are currently disappointing or injured.
All I have to say is.....Amen!
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why did Forbes go undrafted again? If he develops handles he could get scary
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Just absurd that folks are thinking Garino doesn't get cut. Let's assume that there are 2 slots open, there are then 3 players who are at least better than him, Forbes, Laprovittola and Simmons. Murray and LJC are rookie projects so they don't count. Dedmon, who's play is pathetic, is a big. He doesn't count either.
Besides against the Rockets, Brown was just blowing by Garino. I'm certain Spurs like Simmons can easily blow by Garino.
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why did Forbes go undrafted again? If he develops handles he could get scary
Undersized point guard that spent 4 years in college: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bryn-Forbes-65428/
I guess he didn't pass the eye-test.
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Just absurd that folks are thinking Garino doesn't get cut. Let's assume that there are 2 slots open, there are then 3 players who are at least better than him, Forbes, Laprovittola and Simmons. Murray and LJC are rookie projects so they don't count. Dedmon, who's play is pathetic, is a big. He doesn't count either.
Besides against the Rockets, Brown was just blowing by Garino. I'm certain Spurs like Simmons can easily blow by Garino.
Yeah I never really saw the Garino defense everyone was talking about...
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"Y voy a firmar con los Spurs"
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once more the Spurs guaranteeing the wrong dudes...
With what they have shown thus far, really Simmons, Livio, Dedmon should thank RC Buford recent executive slump :pctoss
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"Y voy a firmar con los Spurs"
He didn't say that.
He said he'll wait for an offer (nba/europe)/evaluate playing in the dleague.
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once more the Spurs guaranteeing the wrong dudes...
With what they have shown thus far, really Simmons, Livio, Dedmon should thank RC Buford recent executive slump :pctoss
Livio is so poor that contract is so drunk
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why did Forbes go undrafted again? If he develops handles he could get scary
I think "size" was the biggest reason. And he's not a play maker or a defender with athleticism.
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He didn't say that.
He said he'll wait for an offer (nba/europe)/evaluate playing in the dleague.
I know he didn't say that. He won't even know if he's a free agent for two days.
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Livio is clearly a long, long term project. He's worse than when Mahinmi first played here. Spurs should've cut him loose because he's a waste of a roster spot right now.
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Yep, clearly Garino is gone. Thanks for the posting!
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I wonder if playing with a ball dominant college star hurt his stock? I guess if any team can instill defense and passing into a player's skill set it's the Spurs. After looking at his profile I realize he is 23. That probably hurt him too.
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I wonder if playing with a ball dominant college star hurt his stock? I guess if any team can instill defense and passing into a player's skill set it's the Spurs. After looking at his profile I realize he is 23. That probably hurt him too.
That's what 4 years in college does to you.... you age.
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I think the Garino decision was tougher to make than Spurs thought. Arci was cut immediately last night. They already knew about Arci, but with Garino they wanted to "sleep on" the decision.
He's unsure if he will go to the dleague, but his goal is to try to get an NBA contract, so staying in the dleague to try to improve and earn a contract midseason is a probability.
I wish him the best.
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Against the Miami Heat, Simmons was a little erratic when he entered the game late in the first quarter. He committed his only turnover less than a minute after checking in, finishing with 10 points on 4-of-9 shooting and two assists.
"I started off slow, but picked it up along the way," said Simmons. "It's tough. ... I just have to ease my mind a little bit more. I'm just thinking too much for various reasons."
One of the main reasons? Simmons is concerned if he isn't playing that solid basketball Popovich preached to him last season and over the summer, any playing time will be short lived.
"I see a lot of plays," said Simmons. "But I'm thinking if I mess it up, what's the outcome? I'm thinking in between and not really playing my game."
Told about Simmons' problem, Popovich's advice was simple: "Just play the game and don't worry about getting snatched."
Added Popovich: "I have to try to give him room to make mistakes so he can be comfortable and not worry about if he makes a mistake it's going to be the end of the world for him. He's got to have a little more of a comfortable level and confidence. I think that helps a player to stop thinking so much and play the game. Beyond that, he's got to have the discipline to be solid."
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So glad they waived Livio. He clearly wasn't ready at all.
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Five bigs, COUNTING Bertans?
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Five bigs, COUNTING Bertans?
Thought the same too but guess that's the Small Ball NBA now
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Wow - I think talent/performance wise this was the right call. But depth wise it makes things even more scary (especially because Dedmon has not shown too well as of now).
Definitely need to watch the waiver wire for talented bigs and/or trades.
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Five bigs, COUNTING Bertans?
Bertans/Kyle. Gonna play more small ball this season unless they make another (completely) unexpected move.
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Five bigs, COUNTING Bertans?
They only had 4 in 2012-13 until they signed Boris in March, 2013.
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Thought the same too but guess that's the Small Ball NBA now
Yeah, Anderson at the four seems likely. But Simmons at thr three? Or is Bertans a rotation player. Could be a trade in the works after Danny comes back?
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They only had 4 in 2012-13 until they signed Boris in March, 2013.
Edit: 2011-12 and signed Boris in March, 2012.
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Remember that we cant post full SAEN articles on this site. You have to pare it down to a couple of quotes.
Complied... you can edit your quote of me... so it's not posted whole.
I thought it was so relevant when we are talking about mental toughness. There is a lot there to digest for those of us who have observed Simmons since he was playing in summer league 2 seasons ago (and how his contract was guaranteed ahead of summer league in 2016 to ease up his mind.) He is indeed mentally weak. You called that long time ago. This is an article by both player and coach admitting that mental issues have been a big problem.
I doubt there is much more that Pop can do to strengthen him mentally. They have really propped him up as much as they could to make him comfortable and now it's on him.
Anyways, there it is.
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Yeah, Anderson at the four seems likely. But Simmons at thr three? Or is Bertans a rotation player. Could be a trade in the works after Danny comes back?
Good. I think Simmons gets first crack at the 3 with Bertans getting a shot there too (like Mills and Neal in the 12-13 season before Neal got the gig at backup PG)
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Yeah, Anderson at the four seems likely. But Simmons at thr three? Or is Bertans a rotation player. Could be a trade in the works after Danny comes back?
I don't see a trade. Too many new faces to suit Pop already. But you can bet the Spurs will keep a sharp eye on the guys getting waived from now until the deadline.