Meh. You're right about Pop, and he's obviously the one who decides. I've got a good friend who's a coach who always said that point guards are born, and not made. I got in the habit of watching for it, and I sort of decided that he is right. But Pop's got his own philosophy, and he's done pretty well with it.
I agree that Murray has a lot of talent. I had kind of started thinking that, if they would let him just be a 2, and started him working with Chip, he might contribute this year. But he's still just turned 20. And if they are going the other route, that's probably too much to expect.
Murray already is better than Green in handling the ball. What he does not have is a reliable shot. That'll take at least a year to develop. I also don't know how bulking up affects one's shot.
10-24-2016
GSH
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by ceperez
Murray already is better than Green in handling the ball. What he does not have is a reliable shot. That'll take at least a year to develop. I also don't know how bulking up affects one's shot.
I've said several times that Kyle needs to bulk up, but I don't remember saying it about Murray. I said that they should have Murray work with Chip (Engelland - shooting coach), so we agree about his shooting. I always think it's good for young guards to get stronger, but that's far from the biggest priority for him.
Since Murray loves to take it to the rack so much, he'd do well to develop a consistent floater, to punish defenders for waiting for him at the rim. Tony used that for years, and then just got away from using it very much. Murray tosses up some floaters, but not many of them go in. I'd love to read a story about him staying late at the gym every night, practicing the floater.
But you see what I'm talking about. Working on his stroke with Chip, working on a floater, and working on facilitating an offense - all while trying to learn how to cope with the higher-level competition in the NBA? Yeah, that's going to be a long process. Put him in Austin to learn how to run the point well, or keep him in SA and let him slash like Simmons.
10-24-2016
tmtcsc
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by GSH
Since Murray loves to take it to the rack so much, he'd do well to develop a consistent floater, to punish defenders for waiting for him at the rim.
This
10-24-2016
BD24
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by ceperez
Murray already is better than Green in handling the ball. What he does not have is a reliable shot. That'll take at least a year to develop. I also don't know how bulking up affects one's shot.
Bulking up can make it difficult to keep your shot consistent at times. Hence why Durant never really bulked. It messes up your shot a bit. Since Murray doesn't really have much of a shot at the moment though I'm not sure how much it would really hurt him.
He definitely needs to bulk up though so he can finish when he gets to the rack.
10-24-2016
GSH
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
Yi Jianlan is about to be waived. He could be the best Asian player the Spurs have had since Mengke Bateer. :lol
As bad as Deadmon has looked, I actually had to stop and think about whether Yi could be an upgrade. Tell me Deadmon is going to get better. I want to believe.
10-24-2016
sasaint
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by GSH
Yi Jianlan is about to be waived. He could be the best Asian player the Spurs have had since Mengke Bateer. :lol
As bad as Deadmon has looked, I actually had to stop and think about whether Yi could be an upgrade. Tell me Deadmon is going to get better. I want to believe.
Heck, I am ready to give Ryan Kelly a shot.
10-24-2016
SPURt
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
RJ Hunter waived on his birthday... Ouch!
10-24-2016
SAGirl
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by raybies
Mitch McGary might be getting waived. If he makes it post the waiver wire. Might be someone to look at. At of those crossroads of changing or risk being out of the league. Hampered by injuries but solid skill set.
Also like Zach Auguste.
He's a pothead. Not the kind of character guy Pop likes and his work ethic is lacking. These guys man, they don't realize how fortunate they are to get paid millions to play a kids game and how quickly that can end. He's got talent, but he hasn't put it together bc his mind is elsewhere. With the youngsters the Spurs have I doubt they bring a bad Apple in to the mix ( heh probably wouldn't bring him in even if there were no youngsters I am guessing).
10-24-2016
sasaint
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by SPURt
RJ Hunter waived on his birthday... Ouch!
Plenty of pre-draft projections had the Spurs taking Hunter. But it seems like he would be a redundancy on the Spurs now. Danny Ainge is looking pretty bad with his election to retain all those draft picks he stockpiled. He will probably end up just waiving some of the players he picked or making less-than-great trades. He probably could've gotten better value if he hadn't been so stubborn at the last draft.
10-24-2016
raybies
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
Tyler Ennis waived
Archie Goodwin waived
10-24-2016
Chinook
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
Archie is an interesting one.
10-24-2016
rastaspur
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by exstatic
Simmons has only scratched the surface. The fact that they are the same age is meaningless. Randolph was a first rounder and was given every chance imaginable. Simmons was a mutt who wouldn't quit.
Well said.
10-24-2016
rastaspur
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
Archie goodwin has decent upside imo. Someone will probably pick him up.
10-24-2016
SAGirl
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by raybies
Tyler Ennis waived
Archie Goodwin waived
Wow :wow
Goodwin could be better than J.Simms IMO... same athletic ability, better ballhandling, very young still, length. It's too bad.
10-24-2016
SAGirl
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
All these young wings waived... Spurs weren't getting a 2nd round pick for Simmons... :lol
10-24-2016
ceperez
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by ElKingslayer2
Bulking up can make it difficult to keep your shot consistent at times. Hence why Durant never really bulked. It messes up your shot a bit. Since Murray doesn't really have much of a shot at the moment though I'm not sure how much it would really hurt him.
He definitely needs to bulk up though so he can finish when he gets to the rack.
Well, the need to shoot and the need to bulk up seem to be two goals that is going to mess up Murray for a while. Looks like Austin is the place to mess up.
10-24-2016
sasaint
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by rastaspur
Archie goodwin has decent upside imo. Someone will probably pick him up.
Maybe from Phoenix to Sacramento... from the frying pan into the fire. That would be a pity. Under many circumstances, I would like to see the Spurs pick him up, but I just don't see it at this time.
10-24-2016
HarlemHeat37
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
Archie Goodwin has a lot of potential, but doesn't he have some locker room/off-court issues? Can't see this franchise tolerating that, tbh..
10-24-2016
SAGirl
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Archie Goodwin has a lot of potential, but doesn't he have some locker room/off-court issues? Can't see this franchise tolerating that, tbh..
I really don't know about that.
He only just turned 22 in August too. He would be the youngest dude in the Spurs right now except Murray. He's very young still, but yea I don't know about off court issues. I have never heard him be in legal trouble for example....
10-24-2016
raybies
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by SAGirl
Wow :wow
Goodwin could be better than J.Simms IMO... same athletic ability, better ballhandling, very young still, length. It's too bad.
In fairness though, Goodwin can't shoot. Would like to see some of these guys in Austin though.
Lots of first round picks being waived this year. Unusual to me. Ennis may of been overrated but he hasn't been properly developed. I'd like to see him in Philly.
I know what's been said about McGary, but I'd take a flyer on him and put him in Austin to see if he can make good. It'd be nice to have a solid prospect in the pipeline. You just never know if/when they'll turn the corner. But he's definitely someone you want to be first in line for considering our depth at that position. He messes up again and he can be dropped. No big deal.
10-24-2016
BD24
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by ceperez
Well, the need to shoot and the need to bulk up seem to be two goals that is going to mess up Murray for a while. Looks like Austin is the place to mess up.
Definitely a project, but he has super high upside, hopefully he has as great as work ethic as rumored.
10-24-2016
apalisoc_9
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
Surprised they cut Goodwin...he's probably beefing with booker and the other younger guys.
10-24-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Archie Goodwin has a lot of potential, but doesn't he have some locker room/off-court issues? Can't see this franchise tolerating that, tbh..
Goodwin is most likely going to end up in Sacramento b/c they need a ball-handler & he's also buddies w/ Cousins. In any case:
10-24-2016
HarlemHeat37
Re: Training Camp Waivers 2016
Phoenix destroyed their franchise so quickly, what a pathetic job, tbh..they looked like the next up and coming franchise, just 3 years ago, with a ton of assets and flexibility to make a splash..what a disaster..