Slam Online: Spurs Preview

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

This is the weirdest thread. Why are you all attacking the guy for posting this? And then why is he responding so hostile?

Agree or disagree with the article but don't take it so personally.

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This thread started out entitled "preview" by a first-time poster in Spurstalk (post #1) with no link or listing of the source of the link. It appeared to be a Q & A between two people (good people, no doubt, but unremarkable) about the Spurs.

A request for link and credence was not out of line and the author clarified and re-titled it so that it's intent would be clearer.

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and to be a fan of either team you must hate the Lakers.

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or just not give a crap about them. :)

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Originally Posted by implacable44

Let's take a better example - in 2003 when the Lakers beat the Spurs - how did Bowen do against Kobe ? Kobe lit him up. - repeatedly and I hate the Lakers because there are two teams I like - Spurs and Celtics (of the 80's mind you) and to be a fan of either team you must hate the Lakers.

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Are you talking about these 2003 playoffs ...

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On Monday, Bowen forced Bryant to sweat through 38 shots to get his 37 points. On Wednesday, he decided to outshoot him as well.

On the Spurs' third possession of the night, Bowen buried a 3-pointer from above the key. The next time down the floor, he spotted up in the corner, his most comfortable location, and hit another. By halftime, he had five 3-pointers (another franchise playoff record) and 17 points.

Bowen also blocked three shots by Bryant, who needed 24 shots for his 27 points. Bowen finished with 27 points and seven 3-pointers.

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Originally Posted by samikeyp

or just not give a crap about them. :)

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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

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Originally Posted by implacable44

Non sequitur ? It doesnt follow to you that Bowen expends all of his energy on defense where somebody like Artest, Kobe, Mcgrady expend their energy on both ends ? Bruce is "self-check" you don't have to guard him.

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The question is who is the better perimeter defender, Bruce or Manu. To derive the answer to that question, one normally would discuss defense...not offense.

The fact that Bruce may or may not be an offensive threat has no bearing on whether or not he is a better perimeter defender.

Non sequitur fallacy stands...

Do you not know anything about basketball? Defense wins games. Bowen is one of the best defenders in the game. He can also makes some big 3s when needed. I remember in game 7, Bowen blocked Billups' shot which pretty much clinched the Championship for the Spurs. Do not doubt Bowen, he is an execellent player and teammate.

non sequitur doesn't stand because you can't seperate the two - this isn't football where you have an offensive team and a defensive team - it is basketball free flowing and you have to play both ends.

I actually mean any year the Lakers played the Spurs and Kobe was the Spur killer lighting Bruce Bowen up. You can't point to his percentage because Kobe never shoots a good percentage - never has since his career began in the NBA. - he isn't a shooter - he is a scorer and a terrible person.

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Originally Posted by implacable44

non sequitur doesn't stand because you can't seperate the two - this isn't football where you have an offensive team and a defensive team - it is basketball free flowing and you have to play both ends.

I actually mean any year the Lakers played the Spurs and Kobe was the Spur killer lighting Bruce Bowen up. You can't point to his percentage because Kobe never shoots a good percentage - never has since his career began in the NBA. - he isn't a shooter - he is a scorer and a terrible person.

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Bowen shuts down anyone, not just only Kobe.

nobody is talking about defense winning games - this has expanded into like 20 arguements and opinions - back to basics manu and bowen - I think Manu is a better defender. - my opinion. I recognize Bruce Bowen plays hard defense and does his job and I appreciate it - but as this season goes I will make sure and continue this conversation as we see how he matches up with players throughout the season vs. how manu does.

all of this is opinion anyway - no fact to the matter.

Horry for 3 - didnt you see the beginning of this thread - don't question me.

Bowen doesn't shut down anyone. I remember the last year the LAkers knocked the Spurs out and who was guarding Kobe at the end of the game ? Devin Brown - -not Bowen - but Devin Brown. Terrible decision by Pop - should have put Manu on him.

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Originally Posted by implacable44

here is your link punk : http://slamonline.com/links/10032005/index1.html

dont question me - and if you don't think that ray allen and jerome james would be an upgrade to this roster you are as dumb as you appear.

It is funny you can call him ovary but if he was a Spur and Bowen was a Sonic you would be calling Bowen dirty - I guess you hate that Finley is here too - maybe he should be Uterus or fallopian tube because he complained more than Ray Allen ever did.

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talk about someone who has no clue to the Spurs success

this article was the worst myopic drivel I ever started reading, but I should have known it was crap coming from SLAM magazine

this hack doesnt represent SA or Spurs fans. dallas must have truly warped his preseption of what SA is all about.

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Originally Posted by implacable44

I still would take Manu's defense over Bowens for perimeter players.

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Even us Members of the Church of Manu :lmao @ your statement.

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Originally Posted by implacable44

non sequitur doesn't stand because you can't seperate the two - this isn't football where you have an offensive team and a defensive team - it is basketball free flowing and you have to play both ends.

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Plenty of people have no trouble figuring out the difference...

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Originally Posted by implacable44

non sequitur doesn't stand because you can't seperate the two - this isn't football where you have an offensive team and a defensive team - it is basketball free flowing and you have to play both ends.

I actually mean any year the Lakers played the Spurs and Kobe was the Spur killer lighting Bruce Bowen up. You can't point to his percentage because Kobe never shoots a good percentage - never has since his career began in the NBA. - he isn't a shooter - he is a scorer and a terrible person.

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Yes it does stand. there is a difference between defense and offense. When being awarded DPOY they don't take into account offensive production. And you keep on naming Kobe. Kobe Kobe Kobe. He's the only player that you say can stand up to Bowen, what about other players, or is no one else capable of handling Bowen?

You sir are either SERIOUSLY uninformed or a troll. At this point I wouldn't be suprised if you were both.

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Originally Posted by GoSpurs21

talk about someone who has no clue to the Spurs success

this article was the worst myopic drivel I ever started reading, but I should have known it was crap coming from SLAM magazine

this hack doesnt represent SA or Spurs fans. dallas must have truly warped his preseption of what SA is all about.

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He seems more like an Sonics fan. Jerome James & Ray Allen? Jerome James is pathetic, Rasho > Jerome. Ray Allen is a whining pussy player. Manu > Ray

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WHY IS THIS YOUR FAVORITE TEAM?: They play hard defense on the perimeter and in the paint and they have the best ball movement in the NBA. They play the way they act -- it is an attitude and a mindset down in San Antone and it is reflected throughout the organization.

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you realize we'd lose a huge % of just that if we got rid of Bowen right?? He IS our perimater offense. Not to mention how often that ball travels thru his hands when we do crazy stuff liek pass 30 times in 8 secounds......

manu is a better defender becasue he's better at offense??? that argument does not hold water with me. Its not realted.

look at you using $5.00 words to get your point accross - did mommy teach you those today ?

Dallas ? how could they warm my "preseption" (assume you mean perception - which i dont have because I grew up there and lived there for 20+ years so I have a knowledge) Dallas plays good basketball just like San Antonio does.

please enlighten me on Spurs success

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Originally Posted by Horry For 3!

He seems more like an Sonics fan. Jerome James & Ray Allen? Jerome James is pathetic, Rasho > Jerome. Ray Allen is a whining pussy player. Manu > Ray

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:lmao ..thats saying ALOT 'casue aparently we are tryign to unload him.... :lmao

Oooooooh...implying I still live at home with my mother. Nice. Does that mean you can't refute my statement?

wow..this things getting HOT.Come on Monday!

you talking about rasho - dude will be lucky to get 10 minutes a game this year.

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this article was the worst myopic drivel I ever started reading, but I should have known it was crap coming from SLAM magazine

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You do realize that the "article" is just a fan writing in and the only part written by anyone at Slam is this part ...

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Originally Posted by Lane Whitaker

Thanks, Mark. Now for my quick take...
It was interesting to read you mention how Rasho doesn't really fit in. When I talked with RC Buford last season, the Spurs had just acquired Nazr, and he was saying how when they signed Rasho, it was between Rasho and Michael Olowokandi. They knew they needed a center, and they had enough money to sign either one and basically had to choose. They picked Rasho because he was a better at-the-rim defender. The whole Spurs philosophy is to funnel everyone baseline and then have TD and Rasho meet them at the rim. That's really all they want Rasho to do -- defend the rim. if he can score, great. Why bring this up? Because I'm curious about Van Exel's defense, too. He's never been a particularly amazing defender, but now he's going to be expected to shut down a particular area of the floor -- stopping guards from driving the center of the lane. If one guy screws up their assignment, it messes everything up for the Spurs, which is why despite his inconsistencies, the Spurs like Tony Parker so much -- he can stop guys from driving down the center of the paint. Still, Mark, you hit it on the head when you pointed out how even if the new guys don't work out, the Spurs should be fine. Pop is the best in the biz, and unless injuries hit, I'm going with the Spurs to repeat.

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Originally Posted by implacable44

look at you using $5.00 words to get your point accross - did mommy teach you those today ?

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Look at you using childish, insulting remarks in an argument. Very convincing, really.

Pathetic.

I was just impressed by the use of the words is all.

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Originally Posted by implacable44

you talking about rasho - dude will be lucky to get 10 minutes a game this year.

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And yet he's still more reliable than Jerome James