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Kawhi/Anderson
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Cp3/Parker/Murray
Green/Simmons
Kawhi/Anderson
Aldridge/ Lee / Bertans
Dedmon/ ???
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Too early. next.
Sign Shannon Brown.
How do we convince Parker to retire a year earlier?
We? No one gives a shit what Spurstalkers think, least of all Gasol.Quote:
How do we convince Gasol ...
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Clippers currently have the best record in the West and just obliterated the Spurs at home a couple nights ago.. why on earth would CP3 want to leave Los Angeles for San Antonio right now..?
Because no matter how well the Clips do in the regular season, they will never make it past the second round but if he joins the Spurs he will be part of an organization that has gone beyond that. It's something for him to think about.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
History is absolutely meaningless in the post-Duncan universe.
On that note I do wonder if Spurs would be more inclined to trade players in this era than they previously were...Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
It's premature to say Gasol/LMA will not work out. Last season the SL in particular didn't start off well and they had to be bailed out by the bench a lot. LMA started deferential, with Danny also in a terrible shooting slump... this season it's something else.
By mid to end of December or so we should start to see some improvement or it would be time to raise the alarm. I haven't liked Pau on defense, but they have time go get it together yet...
Problem for me personally, the guys that have any real value are either untradeable (well, without sweetener) or are guys like LMA and Gasol who I just don't see Pop ever trading. I personally would like to retain Kawhi, Danny, Patty and Deadman. So, I think the Spurs are in a trade straight jacket unless they do something that I personally don't want to see or would be a bummer for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Best hope is an amnesty provision to get Parker out of there. The truth is that both he and Pau need to go for the Spurs to have room to offer a max contract.
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Originally Posted by Emperor
They could if they meet these Spurs in the second round.
...or they could just trade Porker for a PG then use the Bird Rights to re-sign the newly acquired player.:wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
In any case, Pau would most likely opt-out if he was forced to come off the bench.
It would be very difficult to go after CP3 and keep Dedmon too, unless he shits the bed for the rest of the season.
I'll be livid if Pau and Parker prevent us from making a move. It was already a longshot to move Parker and now we have to deal with Pau.
Because there's more to life than 1 reg season game in early November, against a Spurs team that had played 7 games in 12 days and flown from coast to coast across the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
Tbh
Just put him on the bench or tell him he's needed for defense purposes.
Introduce Tony to Pau's wife.
Way too early. Started 5-2 after opening with 7 games in 12 nights in 5 cities. The Clips look great, but they also have had the least change of any top team. At this time of year that means a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
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Originally Posted by SpursforSix
Isn't that supposed to be the plan in 2018 when both of them are FAs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
It probably is. But this thread was talking about CP3 in 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
It wasn't just the clippers game.. he hasn't been playing well in general IMO (and his stats back my eye test up)... but I did state it was too early same as you... so I guess we agree on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddog
We won't need to convince anyone. Pau, Patty, Nico, B3RTANS, Tony and Manu are getting deported as soon as January tbh
I think the new President has already taken care of that
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Originally Posted by TheDoctor
Holy @#$%Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
You're right on. I hear Pau speaking fluent Spanish on the HEB commercial. Manu too. The must be Mexican bad hombres...
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Originally Posted by Chinook
I did the math the other day If we renouced everyone except simmons(Manu + Mills then irrelevants), picked up Simmons + Dedmons options we would be at 95mil.
Cap projected at 104-107mil. That leaves 9-12mil add in another 16mil dumping Gasol and I think 25-28mil is close enough to max to be competitve
No it wouldn't. Cp3 would have to accept 25-28mil, Manu would have to retire or come back for min and Patty would be goneQuote:
Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan
Simmons and Dedmon don't have team options. Simmons is a RFA, basically Spurs have matching rights on him, but depending how the season overall goes for him, he will receive a raise. He's now on nearly min salary, so the difference will be significant. Dedmon has a player option that if he plays well, he will likely opt out of as well. You'd renounce a lot of guys that are in your bench on cheap contracts and some would be on their second seasons (Bertans, Murray, Forbes), therefore you'd miss on their improvement from season 1 to 2. It doesn't seem worth it to go around that way. In reality they have to shed guys in big contracts, like Tony and Pau. ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cklbmk
Sure, if you think $10 Million a year short is competitive. And I dunno if you included roster charges and the like. And the cap is projected at $102 Million. The cap for 2018 is $107 Million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cklbmk
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Originally Posted by SAGirl
Ya myb double listed Simmons. Intended to put Lee.
Misread Dedmon as TO instead of PO. Pop gotta work some magic with him, tell him he gets to start.
Those guys wouldn't be renounced. Only Mills, Manu, Lapro would be renounced.
BBR has Forbes + Bertans showing GTD next season already. Murray is year 1 rookie so he's GTD too.
Contract issues like these are really not my forte, but it is my impression you are overestimating the ability to sign a premier FA and retain guys you want. Lee/Dedmon both have PO and Simmons is a RFA who will get paid more. You can't sell those guys on discounts. For Lee it might be his last nice contract and Dedmon and Simmons have never gotten a big contract and they are both 27... both rely on athleticism a lot. They need to get paid next offseason. I don't have the numbers or anything like that, but keeping those 3 will cost you enough that you can't get a max FA if you don't shed others and we are not talking about your minimum contract guy others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cklbmk
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Originally Posted by Chinook
Really depends how bad he wants to win.
No roster charges would be required in this scenario as there would be enough players under contract
We could make a 25mil offer without much effort as long as Dedmon opts in and Lee is willing to opt out then resign for the min again(effectively costs him 54k).
When you take income tax into account for LA(13.3%) vs Texas(0%) it becomes the equivalent of 27mil from Clippers.
So really he'd be leaving 5-6mil on the table to try to win. I could totally see him do that to attempt to salvage his legacy
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Originally Posted by SAGirl
What simmons gets paid is largely irrelevant do to his tiny cap hold. They can sign him last and completely ignore that. Lee could create us an extra 1mil by opting out then resigning for the min instead of opting in.
Dedmon is the only real issue in this scenario.
You assume Lee would accept the min. I doubt that. You assume Simmons will not get offers right away with FA starting, but I think for a star if you are intent on it and it's a real possibility you risk him.. (kind of like what happpened with Cojo)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cklbmk
All the talk about a max FA troubles me. First, I don't think aside from LMA, SA ever was or will be a max FA destination. But more than that, I think that the Spurs have too many holes to fill to lose guys you think would walk in order to sign some unnamed max FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
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Originally Posted by SAGirl
Simmons would have to know h'd be taken care of. I think he'd be willing to wait if the Spurs were like hey we're gonna retain you just need you to wait til we line everything else up. We won't dick you on the contract etc.
I am assuming Lee would accept the min since I think he came here for a reason. I'm fairly certain he could have got more than the min this year.
First, if Dedmon is willing to take his offer (he won't be), why not have him also opt out and re-sign for the RE? May as well optimize if we're going to talk about best-case scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cklbmk
Second, the tax system doesn't work that way. You pay for where you play, not where you're based. So it ends up being a much smaller difference than you assume.
Third, are you accounting for Bertans', Forbes', Murray's and Simmons' deals spiking with the new CBA? The team would have about $3 Million less in that scenario. And yes, their contract would be adjusted upward to match the new min.
This is about what your scenario would look like:
Name 2017-18 LaMarcus Aldridge $21,461,010 Kawhi Leonard $18,868,625 Dewane Dedmon $3,000,000 Tony Parker $15,453,126 Danny Green $10,000,000 Tim Duncan (stretched) $1,881,250 Kyle Anderson $2,151,704 Livio Jean-Charles (waived) $414,080 Dejounte Murray $1,357,874 Jonathan Simmons $1,522,119 Bryn Forbes $1,357,874 Davis Bertans $1,357,874 Roster Charge $843,740 Roster Charge $843,740 Total $80,513,015
So we're talking like $21.5 Million in cap space
1. They wouldn't have to let anyone walk prior to receiving a commitment from said max FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
2. We would have 12 players under contract and the only real hole would be backup C assuming LMA refused to be backup C.
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Originally Posted by Chinook
No I calculated income tax correctly. I calculated it at half which is the amount of home games. It totals to 6.65% difference between LA and Texas.
Bertans and Forbes contracts are incorrect(905k each) as are the roster charges(550k and we'd only need 1). You're only required 12 players.
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Also Murrays contract is only 1,233,240
and Simmons cap hold is 1,093,295
He looks tired.
Going thru the motions.
Frankly Gasol is not pulling his worth.
Food for thought.
I'd be happy to feed youQuote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
No. You aren't accounting for the CBA. All min deals are increasing by 50 percent. That is retroactive. There's a reason why I mentioned that in your calculations. All deals will bump up to at least the min, as was the case for Hill in 2009-2010. And we have no idea what Simmons' cap hold will be. It could be up to like $3 Million, especially if he keeps getting around 20 mpg. And count the players. You need two roster charges. Paul doesn't count as one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cklbmk
And no, it's not just home games that account for tax, but it's close enough, I guess. It should be more expensive than that to play for LAC, because they play Cali teams in their division and the Spurs play Texas and TN teams.
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Originally Posted by Chinook
Where are you getting 50% increase on min from? I've found nothing but articles that things might happen with new CBA, nothing definitive
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/pr...al-labor-deal/Quote:
Originally Posted by Cklbmk
There are multiple news pieces about the increase, but that analysis article breaks down the implications on cap space, so I decided to link that.Quote:
The working assumption is that minimum salaries, exceptions and rookie-scale contracts for first-round picks will jump by roughly 50 percent.
When calculating cap space, teams are charged a rookie-minimum salary for every open roster spot through 12 players. The current CBA dictates next season’s minimum to be $562,493, but it could scale up by 50 percent to $843,740.
A team with eight players would have $1.1 million total in four roster charges based on the current rules. That would jump to $2.2 million with a higher minimum salary—offsetting a $1 million bump in the NBA’s salary cap.
Parker is not going to cut it anymore. We need more juice at the guard positions. This team looks robotic and stiff imo
Frankly Fatsol is way out of shape and looks hella FAT. Too much jamon and chorizo in the summer do that to you.
Can someone post a gif of when CP3 did that double stomp tantrum thing?
Lol Kawhi or CP3 leading a team past the second round.
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Originally Posted by DMC