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Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
Don't get me wrong I love Kawhi. He is the best two way player in the league. But PATRO need to realize his offensive game is average at best. Forcing him to win games with the ball in his hands is asking too much. Manu or Parker should handle the balll in the waning seconds to set up other players like Kawhi.
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Passing is not his forte, but is super efficient offensively. He got absolutely hacked on the last play. Even BSPN announcers agree.
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Stupid thread, the Spurs have no good playmakers so that's why Leonard takes the load. It's not his fault his 2nd and 3rd options are both soft pussies.
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timtonymanu
Stupid thread, the Spurs have no good playmakers so that's why Leonard takes the load. It's not his fault his 2nd and 3rd options are both soft pussies.
Tbh
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Not at all. But the Spurs need to do a better job of helping him out particularly at the end of games.
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timtonymanu
Stupid thread, the Spurs have no good playmakers so that's why Leonard takes the load. It's not his fault his 2nd and 3rd options are both soft pussies.
An alpha should be a good playmaker. Rockets have one in harden and he pulled off the win.
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LongtimeSpursFan
An alpha should be a good playmaker. Rockets have one in harden and he pulled off the win.
Leonard has never been a natural playmaker. You might as well say Harden isn't an alpha because of his defense. Gtfo here
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Just to put an end to this thread, I'd like to remind everybody that OP has repeatedly said that Kyle Anderson would be a better NBA player than Kawhi, tbh:lol
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LongtimeSpursFan
But PATRO need to realize his offensive game is average at best.
What a stupid troll. He's one of the most efficient and versatile scorers in the league, putting over 28 ppg after this game, but sure, he's average...
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Forcing him to win games with the ball in his hands is asking too much.
When he won for us the game in the 4th quarter in Sacramento and Miami you don't say anything, right?
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HarlemHeat37
Just to put an end to this thread, I'd like to remind everybody that OP has repeatedly said that Kyle Anderson would be a better NBA player than Kawhi, tbh:lol
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kDhCJqDfNq...s1600/low2.jpg
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spurraider21
Not at all. But the Spurs need to do a better job of helping him out particularly at the end of games.
Spurs need to do a better job of helping him with a 2nd scorer...LMA 5-15, Manu 1-7, both are shooting awful.
And a bit of rim protection of Gasol/Lee/Dedmon would help, too
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HarlemHeat37
Just to put an end to this thread, I'd like to remind everybody that OP has repeatedly said that Kyle Anderson would be a better NBA player than Kawhi, tbh:lol
He also didn't know simple game stats tbh. :lol
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dabom
He also didn't know simple game stats tbh. :lol
Stats also said Trump was going to lose last night. Someone that really knows basketball understands that the eye test is more important. And from what I see Kawhi just doesn't have it.
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LongtimeSpursFan
Stats also said Trump was going to lose last night. Someone that really knows basketball understands that the eye test is more important. And from what I see Kawhi just doesn't have it.
:lol
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I don't think you know the definition of "average at best"...Kawhi is top 8 in scoring (before tonight) and every player above him averages at minimum 1 more shot than him...
Idiot...
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One of the most efficient offensive player in the league is only "average".:lmao
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timtonymanu
Stupid thread, the Spurs have no good playmakers so that's why Leonard takes the load. It's not his fault his 2nd and 3rd options are both soft pussies.
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LongtimeSpursFan
Don't get me wrong I love Kawhi. He is the best two way player in the league. But PATRO need to realize his offensive game is average at best. Forcing him to win games with the ball in his hands is asking too much. Manu or Parker should handle the balll in the waning seconds to set up other players like Kawhi.
Kawhi has led the NBA in PER this entire season.
Stop posting.
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Cry Havoc
Kawhi has led the NBA in PER this entire season.
Stop posting.
I don't care about PER. They are 5-4 to start season. One of the worst starts since Tim Duncan came on board. They also haven't won a title or advanced deep in playoffs since it became his team. SMH...PER
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LongtimeSpursFan
I don't care about PER. They are 5-4 to start season. One of the worst starts since Tim Duncan came on board. They also haven't won a title or advanced deep in playoffs since it became his team. SMH...PER
5-3. Come on, old man.
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LongtimeSpursFan
I don't care about PER. They are 5-4 to start season. One of the worst starts since Tim Duncan came on board. They also haven't won a title or advanced deep in playoffs since it became his team. SMH...PER
You don't care about him being #1/2 on PER this season, an offensive oriented stat, but then you say that Kawhi is just average on offense...
You can't make a point, stupid troll.
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YGWHI
You don't care about him being #1/2 on PER this season, an offensive oriented stat, but then you say that Kawhi is just average on offense...
You can't make a point, stupid troll.
Harden closed out game offensively better than Kawhi.
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LongtimeSpursFan
Harden closed out game offensively better than Kawhi.
:lol
Kawhi didn't close well this season??
What a clown.
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cjw
Passing is not his forte, but is super efficient offensively. He got absolutely hacked on the last play. Even BSPN announcers agree.
Then Pop shouldn't have him playing point forward.
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Hoops Czar
Then Pop shouldn't have him playing point forward.
Pop shouldn't play Pau as rim protector, shouldn't play Manu as closer anymore, shouldn't play Kyle over Danny Green, shouldn't play Parker against elite PGs...
Pop should find answers for all those things before...Kawhi's the least of Spurs' issues.
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Hoops Czar
Then Pop shouldn't have him playing point forward.
Propose an alternative?
Pau and Aldridge weren't working running through post. Manu couldn't shoot tonight. Mills had good assist total but too erratic to handle end of game situations with ball.
Doesn't leave much choice. Or could be part of his learning process
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YGWHI
Pop shouldn't play Pau as rim protector
And where should Pop stick his C?
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YGWHI
shouldn't play Manu as closer anymore
Who should take Manu's place? Parker who you bitch about every time he touches the ball in the 4th quarter or Patty Mills, who coincidentally was on the floor with Manu. Btw, Kawhi closed the game.
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YGWHI
shouldn't play Kyle over Danny Green, shouldn't play Parker against elite PGs...
Danny can't play 48 minutes a game. Who would you rather have in there guarding elite pgs? Manu, who shouldn't be on the floor closing games according to you or Patty Mills who's defense isn't any better than Parker's.
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YGWHI
Pop should find answers for all those things before...
It's called loyalty >>>> winning basketball games. A complete roster re-construction fail by the PATFO. Pop can't squeeze blood from a turnip. The roster is fatally flawed and THE PROBLEM is that the Spurs are too reliant on Leonard to do everything because the Spur's roster in itself lacks versatility, fluidity and most of all TALENT.
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cjw
Propose an alternative?
Pau and Aldridge weren't working running through post. Manu couldn't shoot tonight. Mills had good assist total but too erratic to handle end of game situations with ball.
Doesn't leave much choice. Or could be part of his learning process
It's a fatally flawed roster but the Spurs need ball movement and for that to happen, the ball has to be in the hands of a passer otherwise, it's going to lead to ISO's, post ups and mid-range jumpshots.
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Hoops Czar
It's a fatally flawed roster but the Spurs need ball movement and for that to happen, the ball has to be in the hands of a passer otherwise, it's going to lead to ISO's, post ups and mid-range jumpshots.
Do the Spurs have a decent point guard/sg who can pass the ball and doesn't look washed against other guards in the West Conference? No.
So they already are an Iso/mid-range shooting team.
For the record, in the 67 wins of last season, they were the same team, but the defense was way better.
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LongtimeSpursFan
Stats also said Trump was going to lose last night. Someone that really knows basketball understands that the eye test is more important. And from what I see Kawhi just doesn't have it.
You might not have realistic expectations. He's scoring incredible numbers, but it doesn't seem like it sometime because of games like tonight. He almost had it, but it wasn't to be.
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LongtimeSpursFan
I don't care about PER. They are 5-4 to start season. One of the worst starts since Tim Duncan came on board. They also haven't won a title or advanced deep in playoffs since it became his team. SMH...PER
It's not 5-4, it's 5-3. They will improve with every game. Tonight wasn't without merit. Yeah we lost, but we got further on with how they play together. It's a work in progress.
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YGWHI
Do the Spurs have a decent guard who can pass the ball and doesn't look washed against other guards in the West Conference? No.
So they already are an Iso/mid-range shooting team.
For the record, in the 67 wins of last season, they were the same team, but the defense was way better.
Why did you single out the western conference? At least make those guards earn their paychecks. What's the point of playing Kawhi at the point if he doesn't get other players involved in the offense? And to be fair, last year was a spectacular flop if you look past the meaningless regular season wins total. Also, the only major change to the roster from last year was Pau Gasol in place of 39 year old Duncan with bad knees. That in itself shouldn't account for how bad the defense has been this season.
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Hoops Czar
What's the point of playing Kawhi at the point if he doesn't get other players involved in the offense?
If Pop gives him the ball to close a game doesn't mean that Kawhi is playing at point.
I still watch Patty/Manu/even Kyle playing at point with Kawhi on the floor.
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That in itself shouldn't account for how bad the defense has been this season.
Spurs defense is taking a huge step back with Pau on the floor, Parker/Manu are one year older, the 2nd best defender on the team was injured, unlike last season LMA is making zero effort on D, Dedmon/Lee/Bertans in their first games with the team...
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timtonymanu
Stupid thread, the Spurs have no good playmakers so that's why Leonard takes the load. It's not his fault his 2nd and 3rd options are both soft pussies.
This.
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HarlemHeat37
Just to put an end to this thread, I'd like to remind everybody that OP has repeatedly said that Kyle Anderson would be a better NBA player than Kawhi, tbh:lol
you gotta be kidding :lol
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
top 5 in the league, IMO... these teams has a bunch of flaws, but Kawhi isn't one of them...
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ElNono
top 5 in the league, IMO... these teams has a bunch of flaws, but Kawhi isn't one of them...
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It looked like spurs were getting killed on the boards last night. Aside from lee who look to be atlesst putting in effort.
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LongtimeSpursFan
Harden closed out game offensively better than Kawhi.
Did you really say that Kyle Anderson would be a better player then kawhi?
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
Aldridge is fitting this bill at the moment, not Kawhi. Hopefully he returns to his Top 15 player status like he was after the All-Star break last season because at the moment dude is playing like a below average starter tbh
I think Pop is definitely putting Kawhi in some positions that are new to help him grow, particularly the playmaking side of things and there are growing pains, but I wouldn't confuse that with him being "overrated". It will help in the end.
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LongtimeSpursFan
Harden closed out game offensively better than Kawhi.
Yeah, let's trade him straight up for Harden. We can give up 115 points per game! Because Harden has won so many titles right?
It's 8 games into the season. Get a fucking grip.
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I'll be honest, kawhi hasn't been playing up to his standards these past few games but I'll give him a pass (for now) since this is the first time that's he's been the true #1 option for the Spurs. He's got a ways to go and the season is young so let's just sit back and watch kawhi and the spurs get better.
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Kawhi has a terrible, ugly game. Shut the fuck up about statistics, basketball is about eye test. He just is not good enough offensively to run pick n rolls, he dribbles looking at the floor, we got kicked out of 2 playoffs in a row because Poop tries to force him into some offensive leader.
Watching prime Manu and Parker with beautiful european fundamentals running our offense, to this american simpleton is a huge drop off in quality and the #1 reason why we're 1st round fodder in last years.
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Testies dropping the truth nuke on the krew ^
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bic50
Did you really say that Kyle Anderson would be a better player then kawhi?
Anderson has better offensive skill that Kawhi. He can dribble, penetrate, pass, set up players, understands matchups, easily extend over defender on jump shots or low post work, has better fundamentals in terms of footwork and dribbling (Kawhi dribbles too high in traffic) etc
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LongtimeSpursFan
Anderson has better offensive skill that Kawhi. He can dribble, penetrate, pass, set up players, understands matchups, easily extend over defender on jump shots or low post work, has better fundamentals in terms of footwork and dribbling (Kawhi dribbles too high in traffic) etc
:lmao
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Kawhi has elite footwork. Jordan/Kobe footwork. A Jordan mid-range game. Efficient shooting. WTF are you smoking. :lol
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This thread is whack. He's one of the top 5 players in the league and he should take the last shot. Every superstar misses game enders. Just because he missed you can't downgrade him. He'll have plenty of makes as the season progresses. The problem is not that our superstar is not superstar enough, the problem is that we have atrocious team defense.
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dabom
He also didn't know simple game stats tbh. :lol
Kahwi had a -12 last night. I'm not sure what that means but he had the lowest on team. Is that good or bad?
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LongtimeSpursFan
Kahwi had a -12 last night. I'm not sure what that means but he had the lowest on team. Is that good or bad?
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nope but Raymond is. Was looking at #NBARank (the Kingslayer is in the top 5 revealed Friday the 11th) and they have Raymond listed at 14 above Klay. Don't love either but Klay is exceptional at shooting. Raymond to me is the ultimate complimentary player, on a team with superstars he helps both the stars and the roll players. However if you were just starting a team from scratch I don't know if Raymond would be in my top 40 much less #14. Without superior talent on your squad he will just be the feisty leader that probably pisses off his teammates always in the lottery. He could however work wonders with say an Anthony Davis or whatever ultra star you put him with. As for Kiwi he is developing into a top 10 player on offense and is the reigning and defending dumdada 2x DPOY. The only other player that can dominate like that on both sides of the floor is LBJ, when he wants to.
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RD2191
I'll be honest, kawhi hasn't been playing up to his standards these past few games but I'll give him a pass (for now) since this is the first time that's he's been the true #1 option for the Spurs. He's got a ways to go and the season is young so let's just sit back and watch kawhi and the spurs get better.
RD it's because despite popular on ST opinion, he plays better alongside the "head of the snake". The starter's offense isn't flowing as well without MVParker in there and Patty's absence from the bench mob is very obvious as well.
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$pursDynasty
RD it's because despite popular on ST opinion, he plays better alongside the "head of the snake". The starter's offense isn't flowing as well without MVParker in there and Patty's absence from the bench mob is very obvious as well.
Tony should be back very soon, so we shall see... All Spurs fans should hope you are right.
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HarlemHeat37
Just to put an end to this thread, I'd like to remind everybody that OP has repeatedly said that Kyle Anderson would be a better NBA player than Kawhi, tbh:lol
what????
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LongtimeSpursFan
Anderson has better offensive skill that Kawhi. He can dribble, penetrate, pass, set up players, understands matchups, easily extend over defender on jump shots or low post work, has better fundamentals in terms of footwork and dribbling (Kawhi dribbles too high in traffic) etc
really?
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timtonymanu
Stupid thread, the Spurs have no good playmakers so that's why Leonard takes the load. It's not his fault his 2nd and 3rd options are both soft pussies.
Stupid comment. Houston doesn't have any play makers for harden. He didn't seem to have an issue.
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Rob123
Stupid comment. Houston doesn't have any play makers for harden. He didn't seem to have an issue.
Harden is a natural guard, he has been his entire career..he has essentially been a PG since day one(even if he wasn't officially listed at the 1), going back to college..
Kawhi is a converted perimeter player that was projected to be a Shawn Marion-type in the NBA, he's never going to be a natural playmaker or point-forward..the Spurs will never succeed if they're asking him to be Lebron, it's not going to work..this team desperately needs a real PG..
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Only issue I have with Kawhi is he does tend to be looking for fouls on his jumpers to frequently..he's gotten some calls and he's getting to the line but you cannot rely on refs to bail you out of a bad shot..
Other than that he's still a top 3 MVP candidate and there's nothing overrated about that
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He's never going to be a great scorer but definitely a good one. And with his defense he can be a top 15 player every season.
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LongtimeSpursFan
He's never going to be a great scorer but definitely a good one. And with his defense he can be a top 15 player every season.
Top 15...Stop trolling :lmao
"But he can't run pick and rolls...He can't drive.. :cry "
:lmao
91 percentile in total offense this season...He's definitely Top 5 in the league.
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testies
Kawhi has a terrible, ugly game. Shut the fuck up about statistics, basketball is about eye test. He just is not good enough offensively to run pick n rolls, he dribbles looking at the floor, we got kicked out of 2 playoffs in a row because Poop tries to force him into some offensive leader.
Watching prime Manu and Parker with beautiful european fundamentals running our offense, to this american simpleton is a huge drop off in quality and the #1 reason why we're 1st round fodder in last years.
:lmao
Whose troll is this?
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YGWHI
Top 15...Stop trolling :lmao
"But he can't run pick and rolls...He can't drive.. :cry "
:lmao
91 percentile in total offense this season...He's definitely Top 5 in the league.
Come on man. Opposing teams don't even try to double team him. That's why those stats I never heard of are skewed. He's not and never will be a scorer. And that's okay.
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Kawhi is obviously awesome for every era, but if he played in the 90's he would be a top 10 player of all time, tbh.
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DAF86
Kawhi is obviously awesome for every era, but if he played in the 90's he would be a top 10 player of all time, tbh.
I don't see Kawhi being better than the guys who I listed below. Those guys were top 10 players throughout the 90s. They also lead their teams to at least a Conference Finals. Then they are guys whose careers trajectories were altered due to injuries that were more talented than Kawhi ala Penny Hardaway,Grant Hill, Larry Johnson.
Jordan
Robinson
Olajuwon
Ewing
Shaq
Malone
Drexler
Barkley
Mourning
Prime Kemp
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Points per shot is one of the most ridiculous, misleading stats out there. I am actually pretty happy with Kawhi's recent offensive play, but the argument that he's uber-efficient has pretty much died. Dude has a TS% of 59.8 and an EFG% of 51.8. Those are perfectly acceptable numbers for a volume scorer. But the EFG% would put him at 160 in the league right now. I imagine that limiting the sample to guys who have played at least 100 minutes could pull him into the top 100. Good news (and completely separate) is that Green's efficiency is once again elite. He'd rank sixth in EFG% for players with more than 100 minutes. In TS%, Kawhi's currently 83rd, but I'm assuming that would be top 60 once you narrow the field down by minutes. Green is seventh once you filter it.
I think once the sample size is big enough to balance out that poor stretch Kawhi had a week ago, he'll be at a good place.
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daslicer
I don't see Kawhi being better than the guys who I listed below. Those guys were top 10 players throughout the 90s. They also lead their teams to at least a Conference Finals. Then they are guys whose careers trajectories were altered due to injuries that were more talented than Kawhi ala Penny Hardaway,Grant Hill, Larry Johnson.
Jordan
Robinson
Olajuwon
Ewing
Shaq
Malone
Drexler
Barkley
Mourning
Prime Kemp
6'7'' wing with 7' somehing wingsapn. Elite defender, 40% 3pt shooter, 90% FT shooter, 50% shooter from the field. Elite Post up game and Elite one on one scorer. He would have beasted on the post up/isolation style of the 90's.
If dudes that couldn't shoot like Hardaway and Grant Hill got hyped in the 90's, imagine the hype Kawhi would have got.
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DAF86
6'7'' wing with 7' somehing wingsapn. Elite defender, 40% 3pt shooter, 90% FT shooter, 50% shooter from the field. Elite Post up game and Elite one on one scorer. He would have beasted on the post up/isolation style of the 90's.
If dudes that couldn't shoot like Hardaway and Grant Hill got hyped in the 90's, imagine the hype Kawhi would have got.
Kawhi Leonard Has Largest Wingspan Ratio Of Any All-Star In Past 15 Years
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this shitty thread aside, Kawhi's efficiency this season- in part due to some bad shot selection -- leaves a lot to be desired..I want to see more of his post-ups instead of dribbling to tough spots and jacking-up ugly midrangers..
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spursistan
this shitty thread aside, Kawhi's efficiency this season- in part due to some bad shot selection -- leaves a lot to be desired..I want to see more of his post-ups instead of dribbling to tough spots and jacking-up ugly midrangers..
His efficiency is great. Look at jordans TS%.
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Chinook
Points per shot is one of the most ridiculous, misleading stats out there.
Why is it ridiculous? I understand that missed or made shots aren't mutually inclusive w/ getting to the line but PPS is a good way of highlighting scorers like Harden who could shoot 40% on 20 shots but still drop 30 which isn't something you can't say about Klay.
Per 100 possessions, Kawhi's scoring efficiency is on par w/ what Harden did last season when he led the league in TOTAL points & he's getting to the line at the same rate as Carmelo was at the same age.
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spursistan
this shitty thread aside, Kawhi's efficiency this season- in part due to some bad shot selection -- leaves a lot to be desired..I want to see more of his post-ups instead of dribbling to tough spots and jacking-up ugly midrangers..
It seems like Pop is more intent on posting up Softridge & Kawhi is usually camping in the corner when Porker is running the show.
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Kawhitstorm
Why is it ridiculous?
Because it ignores free throws, which use possessions just like shots do. TS% already factors that in free throws, and when you look at that, you don't get the misleading numbers.
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Per 100 possessions, Kawhi's scoring efficiency is on par w/ what Harden did last season when he led the league in TOTAL points & he's getting to the line at the same rate as Carmelo was at the same age.
You're misinterpreting the stat. It's not the players individual PPP multiplied by 100. It's the average possession for the team when the player is on the floor multiplied by 100. Of course Kawhi is on par with Harden and Prime Melo. He spent half the season dominating the ball and is still the go-to guy.
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spursistan
this shitty thread aside, Kawhi's efficiency this season- in part due to some bad shot selection -- leaves a lot to be desired..I want to see more of his post-ups instead of dribbling to tough spots and jacking-up ugly midrangers..
:tu
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Chinook
Because it ignores free throws, which use possessions just like shots do. TS% already factors that in free throws, and when you look at that, you don't get the misleading numbers.
TS% is a good way to highlight elite shooters like Korver but not so when it comes to scorers such as DeRozan.
Usage is also tricky b/c guys like Korver could get more touches but it won't translate into usage percentage b/c they are just going to pass the ball rather than making plays which might lead to empty possessions. High usage/volume scorers who don't get to the line such as Softridge also get exposed by PPP.
Carmelo for example has a higher usage rate & average more FGAs than Kawhi but has a much lower PPP b/c he doesn't get to the line.
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Kawhitstorm
TS% is a good way to highlight elite shooters like Korver but not so when it comes to scorers such as DeRozan.
DeRozan is not an efficient scorer. He's not inefficient, but his 30.2 points on 29.7 possessions leaves a lot to be desired.
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Usage is also tricky b/c guys like Korver could get more touches but it won't translate into usage percentage b/c they are just going to pass the ball rather than making plays which might lead to empty possessions. High usage/volume scorers who don't get to the line such as Softridge also get exposed by PPP.
Aldridge is doing just fine in terms of PPP he's averaging 18.4 points on 18.55 possessions. It's not great (.99 ppp) but it compares just fine with DeRozan (1.02). Kawhi is more efficient than either guy, getting 24.8 points on 23.05 possessions (1.08ppp), which is why I said his numbers were fine for a volume scorer. But that doesn't make points/shot less shitty of a stat.
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Carmelo for example has a higher usage rate & average more FGAs than Kawhi but has a much lower PPP b/c he doesn't get to the line.
Melo's efficiency is fine as well for a volume guy, but he's not the shooter Kawhi is. That's a bigger deal than the free throws.
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spursistan
this shitty thread aside, Kawhi's efficiency this season- in part due to some bad shot selection -- leaves a lot to be desired..I want to see more of his post-ups instead of dribbling to tough spots and jacking-up ugly midrangers..
Yap . Uglier is that no offense run, pull up three. Its falls short most times. If he pulls up around a screen where he gets a little breathing space then its usually money.
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LongtimeSpursFan
Opposing teams don't even try to double team him.
:lmao
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He's not and never will be a scorer.
Last 5 games
24.2 ppg
7.4 rpg
4.8 a pg
1.4 stls
1.8 TOs
36 mpg
He's averaging almost what Tim did in his best scoring seasons...But sure "Kawhi isn't a scorer"
:lmao
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Slippy
Yap . Uglier is that no offense run, pull up three. Its falls short most times. If he pulls up around a screen where he gets a little breathing space then its usually money.
The issue is that Kawhi plays most minutes with LMA and he isn't a great screener. I like how Lee operates there with Kawhi and I'd like to see how Dedmon would do it...But in the starting lineup the shooters aren't getting great screening from bigs. Another area where we are missing Tim...and Splitter.
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We'll that was fun while it lasted. :lmao
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dabom
We'll that was fun while it lasted. :lmao
Someone here can't deal with criticism.
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And I LOVE IT.
People getting so mad and lock threads for nothing.
:lol
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YGWHI
And I LOVE IT.
People getting so mad and lock threads for nothing.
:lol
That dpg faggot. :lol
Most cuddled posters on this board tbh...
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We have trolls here saying Kawhi's overrated, like threads where they called him retarded and...nothing was wrong.
I posted a list of Chinook's wrong takes in that thread and.... welll, we already know what happened with the thread.
So according to ST standards it's fine to insult a Spurs player but not to say a poster was wrong. Good to know it.
:lol
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YGWHI
Top 15...Stop trolling :lmao
"But he can't run pick and rolls...He can't drive.. :cry "
:lmao
91 percentile in total offense this season...He's definitely Top 5 in the league.
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amaz...-Ohio-True.jpg
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Seriously, if you don't think Kawhi is a great offensive player you're a complete moron. You don't have to be a once in a lifetime offensive player like KD to be great.
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Slippy
Yap . Uglier is that no offense run, pull up three. Its falls short most times. If he pulls up around a screen where he gets a little breathing space then its usually money.
:tu
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YGWHI
Someone here can't deal with criticism.
:lmao Calling someone else out for this when you're constantly crying every time someone critiques Leonard.
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You guys are really pink ass spoiled if you're calling out KL. Nobody expected him to be this good, and I mean nobody. Consider it a gift.
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TD 21
:lmao Calling someone else out for this when you're constantly crying every time someone critiques Leonard.
Tell me when I locked a thread for people criticizing Kawhi?
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TD 21
:lmao Calling someone else out for this when you're constantly crying every time someone critiques Leonard.
Tell me when I was hating on a favorite player's poster because that guy criticizes Kawhi?
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TD 21
:lmao Calling someone else out for this when you're constantly crying every time someone critiques Leonard.
No, I didn't do it.
I disagree with you when you say "I don't blame Kawhi BUT..." and then "Kawhi played well BUT..." Because that's incoherent. You can't say a guy plays well at the same time that you blame him for the loss.
I'm the first here to admit Kawhi's flaws but I'll continue posting that people are wrong every time if they say he's not a scorer or a top player, because HE IS one.
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YGWHI
No, I didn't do it.
I disagree with you when you say "I don't blame Kawhi BUT..." and then "Kawhi played well BUT..." Because that's incoherent. You can't say a guy plays well at the same time that you blame him for the loss.
I'm the first here to admit Kawhi's flaws but I'll continue posting that people are wrong every time if they say he's not a scorer or a top player, because HE IS one.
:lmao Melting down and further proving my point.
What I said could only be deemed incoherent by someone that lacks basic reading comprehension.
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TD 21
:lmao Melting down and further proving my point.
What I said could only be deemed incoherent by someone that lacks basic reading comprehension.
Yg is a savage poster dude...
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Leonard is better when he isn't the number one option.
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TD 21
What I said could only be deemed incoherent by someone that lacks basic reading comprehension.
Because blaming they guy who played well isn't incoherent, right?
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LongtimeSpursFan
Leonard is better when he isn't the number one option.
You were very quiet after Kawhi's great games in Charlotte and Boston, when he was the #1, and the team won on the road.
So it's good to have Kawhi as #1 just when Spurs win but not when they lose, right?
These stupid people...smh.
