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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
Hoops Czar
Then Pop shouldn't have him playing point forward.
Pop shouldn't play Pau as rim protector, shouldn't play Manu as closer anymore, shouldn't play Kyle over Danny Green, shouldn't play Parker against elite PGs...
Pop should find answers for all those things before...Kawhi's the least of Spurs' issues.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
Hoops Czar
Then Pop shouldn't have him playing point forward.
Propose an alternative?
Pau and Aldridge weren't working running through post. Manu couldn't shoot tonight. Mills had good assist total but too erratic to handle end of game situations with ball.
Doesn't leave much choice. Or could be part of his learning process
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Pop shouldn't play Pau as rim protector
And where should Pop stick his C?
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
shouldn't play Manu as closer anymore
Who should take Manu's place? Parker who you bitch about every time he touches the ball in the 4th quarter or Patty Mills, who coincidentally was on the floor with Manu. Btw, Kawhi closed the game.
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YGWHI
shouldn't play Kyle over Danny Green, shouldn't play Parker against elite PGs...
Danny can't play 48 minutes a game. Who would you rather have in there guarding elite pgs? Manu, who shouldn't be on the floor closing games according to you or Patty Mills who's defense isn't any better than Parker's.
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Pop should find answers for all those things before...
It's called loyalty >>>> winning basketball games. A complete roster re-construction fail by the PATFO. Pop can't squeeze blood from a turnip. The roster is fatally flawed and THE PROBLEM is that the Spurs are too reliant on Leonard to do everything because the Spur's roster in itself lacks versatility, fluidity and most of all TALENT.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
cjw
Propose an alternative?
Pau and Aldridge weren't working running through post. Manu couldn't shoot tonight. Mills had good assist total but too erratic to handle end of game situations with ball.
Doesn't leave much choice. Or could be part of his learning process
It's a fatally flawed roster but the Spurs need ball movement and for that to happen, the ball has to be in the hands of a passer otherwise, it's going to lead to ISO's, post ups and mid-range jumpshots.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
Hoops Czar
It's a fatally flawed roster but the Spurs need ball movement and for that to happen, the ball has to be in the hands of a passer otherwise, it's going to lead to ISO's, post ups and mid-range jumpshots.
Do the Spurs have a decent point guard/sg who can pass the ball and doesn't look washed against other guards in the West Conference? No.
So they already are an Iso/mid-range shooting team.
For the record, in the 67 wins of last season, they were the same team, but the defense was way better.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
LongtimeSpursFan
Stats also said Trump was going to lose last night. Someone that really knows basketball understands that the eye test is more important. And from what I see Kawhi just doesn't have it.
You might not have realistic expectations. He's scoring incredible numbers, but it doesn't seem like it sometime because of games like tonight. He almost had it, but it wasn't to be.
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LongtimeSpursFan
I don't care about PER. They are 5-4 to start season. One of the worst starts since Tim Duncan came on board. They also haven't won a title or advanced deep in playoffs since it became his team. SMH...PER
It's not 5-4, it's 5-3. They will improve with every game. Tonight wasn't without merit. Yeah we lost, but we got further on with how they play together. It's a work in progress.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
YGWHI
Do the Spurs have a decent guard who can pass the ball and doesn't look washed against other guards in the West Conference? No.
So they already are an Iso/mid-range shooting team.
For the record, in the 67 wins of last season, they were the same team, but the defense was way better.
Why did you single out the western conference? At least make those guards earn their paychecks. What's the point of playing Kawhi at the point if he doesn't get other players involved in the offense? And to be fair, last year was a spectacular flop if you look past the meaningless regular season wins total. Also, the only major change to the roster from last year was Pau Gasol in place of 39 year old Duncan with bad knees. That in itself shouldn't account for how bad the defense has been this season.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
Hoops Czar
What's the point of playing Kawhi at the point if he doesn't get other players involved in the offense?
If Pop gives him the ball to close a game doesn't mean that Kawhi is playing at point.
I still watch Patty/Manu/even Kyle playing at point with Kawhi on the floor.
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That in itself shouldn't account for how bad the defense has been this season.
Spurs defense is taking a huge step back with Pau on the floor, Parker/Manu are one year older, the 2nd best defender on the team was injured, unlike last season LMA is making zero effort on D, Dedmon/Lee/Bertans in their first games with the team...
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
timtonymanu
Stupid thread, the Spurs have no good playmakers so that's why Leonard takes the load. It's not his fault his 2nd and 3rd options are both soft pussies.
This.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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HarlemHeat37
Just to put an end to this thread, I'd like to remind everybody that OP has repeatedly said that Kyle Anderson would be a better NBA player than Kawhi, tbh:lol
you gotta be kidding :lol
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
top 5 in the league, IMO... these teams has a bunch of flaws, but Kawhi isn't one of them...
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
top 5 in the league, IMO... these teams has a bunch of flaws, but Kawhi isn't one of them...
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
It looked like spurs were getting killed on the boards last night. Aside from lee who look to be atlesst putting in effort.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
LongtimeSpursFan
Harden closed out game offensively better than Kawhi.
Did you really say that Kyle Anderson would be a better player then kawhi?
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
Aldridge is fitting this bill at the moment, not Kawhi. Hopefully he returns to his Top 15 player status like he was after the All-Star break last season because at the moment dude is playing like a below average starter tbh
I think Pop is definitely putting Kawhi in some positions that are new to help him grow, particularly the playmaking side of things and there are growing pains, but I wouldn't confuse that with him being "overrated". It will help in the end.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
LongtimeSpursFan
Harden closed out game offensively better than Kawhi.
Yeah, let's trade him straight up for Harden. We can give up 115 points per game! Because Harden has won so many titles right?
It's 8 games into the season. Get a fucking grip.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
I'll be honest, kawhi hasn't been playing up to his standards these past few games but I'll give him a pass (for now) since this is the first time that's he's been the true #1 option for the Spurs. He's got a ways to go and the season is young so let's just sit back and watch kawhi and the spurs get better.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
Kawhi has a terrible, ugly game. Shut the fuck up about statistics, basketball is about eye test. He just is not good enough offensively to run pick n rolls, he dribbles looking at the floor, we got kicked out of 2 playoffs in a row because Poop tries to force him into some offensive leader.
Watching prime Manu and Parker with beautiful european fundamentals running our offense, to this american simpleton is a huge drop off in quality and the #1 reason why we're 1st round fodder in last years.
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
Testies dropping the truth nuke on the krew ^
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
bic50
Did you really say that Kyle Anderson would be a better player then kawhi?
Anderson has better offensive skill that Kawhi. He can dribble, penetrate, pass, set up players, understands matchups, easily extend over defender on jump shots or low post work, has better fundamentals in terms of footwork and dribbling (Kawhi dribbles too high in traffic) etc
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
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Originally Posted by
LongtimeSpursFan
Anderson has better offensive skill that Kawhi. He can dribble, penetrate, pass, set up players, understands matchups, easily extend over defender on jump shots or low post work, has better fundamentals in terms of footwork and dribbling (Kawhi dribbles too high in traffic) etc
:lmao
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
Kawhi has elite footwork. Jordan/Kobe footwork. A Jordan mid-range game. Efficient shooting. WTF are you smoking. :lol
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Re: Is Kawhi Leonard the most overrated player in the league?
This thread is whack. He's one of the top 5 players in the league and he should take the last shot. Every superstar misses game enders. Just because he missed you can't downgrade him. He'll have plenty of makes as the season progresses. The problem is not that our superstar is not superstar enough, the problem is that we have atrocious team defense.