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Cant create for others
Has been outplayed by Matt Barnes in a series and shut down by Andre Roberson
Doesnt show up in big games when hes the #1 option
Cant penetrate or get by defenders
Gets bailed out by the whistle
Most overrated player in the league
Get a new take, tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
Spurs havent been the same since Parker handed the reigns over
Duds haven't been the same since Bogut got injured.:cryQuote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
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Leonard leading Spurs on the road
Kawhi Leonard scored 19 points in the Spurs’ win over the Wizards in Washington improving their road record to 10-0 this season. Leonard has scored 258 points in those 10 road games. The only other players in the Spurs’ NBA history to score that many points in their first 10 road games of a season were George Gervin, who did it six times, and David Robinson, who did it three times. Gervin scored 344 points in his first 10 road games in 1981-82. The most points Robinson ever scored in his first 10 road games of a season was 293 in 1994-95.
shooting 46%, a career low. Not impressed, tbh
You conveniently left out his performance in Washington. Is that because he shot 5/14 and 1/6 from 3pt line, three turnovers and forced up shots? Don't get me wrong I love Kawhi but a true elite player can't just show up 50 percent of games.Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
Like you his performances in Charlotte and Boston?Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
In Washington, he was struggling with his shot but still scored 19 points. And the team won.
In Boston Kawhi was the main reason for the victory. Remember our SL that night: Parker 7 points, Gasol 0 points, LMA 10 points in 4-12...Thank God for Kawhi, right?
Fuck you Troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
Troll I am not. I love Kawhi. Defensively he can create a lot of havoc but offensively he needs to realize his role and not hurt the team with jacking up shots or trying to create when nothing is there. We have plenty of offensive options that are available that he can utilize to make his game stronger.Quote:
Originally Posted by houston spurs fan
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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
Plenty of options.
Except Kawhi and LMA, NO ONE can score 'consistently'.
Parker? 0-6, Danny? 1-4, 39 years old Manu??, Lee? 0-4, Gasol? once in a while...Just Patty. And Simms in a lucky night.
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Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
You said before that his role on offense is being the #4 option behind LMA, Gasol and Parker. Yeah..."But but I'm a not a troll, I love him".
You are the quintessential troll dude, give it up or just at least own up to it. You exist on This forum for dogging Kawhi and nobody takes your Schtick seriously...its old, burnt out like your age.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
What people here need to realize is theres a huge difference between a great scorer ( Kawhi) and a great shot creator ( Not Kawhi). Great shot creators like prime Manu/ TP, Bron, Curry, Harden tend to break down defenses and create high % looks for themselves AND teammates ( AND you CaN NOT go by sheer Assists per game to assess this-- you have to account hockey assists and times a pass leads to an open drive or an open drive & dish. Kawhi is never going to be that type of player. Kawhi has a hard time creating the needed seperation w/ his lack of foot speed and lack of acceleration w/ the ball in his hands. He physically puts a lot of energy with his upper body just fighting around corners to where hes out of control to a degree when he loses sight of his teammates and the court as he dribbles into congested space more often than not.
You can cry and scream and point to PPP in PnRs, but that stat is terrible because it does not account for PPP created off assists or hockey assists by his penetration. It only accounts for his looks -- which are created by his length & ability to use his body to create space for a contested mid range J or a jump hook after a reverse pivot and pump fakes.
Kawhi can lead this years team on the offensive end in usage with the ball in his hands and put up pretty stats and so can Aldridge, but Ill tell you right now, the Spurs will have a lower ceiling than what Spurs fans are used to with them two being the most responsible for the offense as they are only good at orchestrating offense for themselves. Defenses dont have to work as hard or move as much ( especially the weakside defense). They desperately need an upgrade at BOTH PG spots. Tony isnt as effective, and Patty isnt a creator.
24 ppg on 45% and 3apg is not "great", it's good. Kawhi is a good offensive player, but I can throw a stick and hit 1000 guys who've averaged 24 ppg and 3apg. Now if he comes back and averages 30 next season then we can open this discussion back up, but for now, he's not there yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
He tends to overdribble and shoot shit shots.
We will never win anything with him as the only option.
And yeah, lamarcus is a pussy so we are a round 1 exit team at the moment. Kawhi is overrated but not by much
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
I'm a Kawhi fan, but I'm not a blind homer. Right now, he isn't even a Top 5 in the MVP race the way his efficiency has progressively plummeted after the first week..
Whether through better consistency (see Jimmy Butler, KD) or taking bigger loads and making teammates better (Westbrook/Harden/Lebron), half dozen guys have had a better seasons than him so far considering Leonard defensive impact has also regressed in the process..
It is part of the growings pains, guess; but if you would ask me to choose, i would take last season's Kawhi's 9-14 FG/8rebs/2ast/3stl/2blk nights over these too many 7-18/1reb/3ast/0blk outings we've witnessed the past three weeks..his shot for whatever reason has had a low arc recently..
Well of course, it's a team sport, but Kawhi is the best player on the team. The offense should continue to run through him. I think personally he needs to be even more vocal, something I think he's improved on from last year. This team seems to have a bit more fire than the team last year, but still as a whole need to become more aggressive and physical. Keep that ball moving, but do it through Kawhi.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongtimeSpursFan
It's part of the game, sometimes you hit a slump. Fortunately for us he's at least somewhat effective in his slumps. Let's not worry about a beginning of the season slump. I would much rather see it now than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
Not sure why Spurs' offense sputtering at home but there's this:
Kawhi on road: 25. 8 ppg, 50.6%
Kawhi at home: 23 ppg, 39.7%
Jimmy Butler has over-taken Kawhi in almost all meaningful advanced stat categories:
#2 ORTG (Kiwi not in top 20)
#2 Offensive win shares (Kiwi #10)
#5 Win Shares (Kiwi #8)
#1 Win shares per 48 (Kiwi #10)
#6 BPM (Kiwi #12)
#5 OBMP (Kiwi #11)
#7 VORP (Kiwi #10)
Kawhi not even in top 20 for Defensive rating or DBPM :bang
Jimmy Buckets first team all NBA :wow Kiwi now 3rd team.
Dumb shit Wolfs not trading Wiggincancer for Buckets when they had the chance :lmao
He is having to do too much bc of the lack of at least just one elite guard in the team but I agree with you. I find it hard to criticize him at all too bc he's come so far and progressed so much and is right now the best player in the team so I am very aware that without him this team wouldn't have this record at all and be completely out of the playoff picture. His efficiency has taken a hit though, he's having to force a number of very tough shots and although he has increased his assist rate, it's obvious that in a real championship team he can't be your best and sometimes only creator from the perimeter (bc Manu and/or Tony are shitting themselves and showing their age.)Quote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
It's a tough situation the team finds itself in with it's guard situation.
You mean dumb shit RC drafting CoJo over Buckets.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperCam
Could have snagged Kawhi and Buckets in the same night.