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http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/2 :wow
He was ranked 3rd last season: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/2
Hopefully, there is a team that's balls deep in analytics that will give up a 1st rd pick for him.:lol (Maybe D'Antoni thinks he can turn him into '05-'06 Boris): http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/sto...ytics-rankings
Kyle has always been an above average rebounder, no question.
He's not even a SG. :lol
ESPN. :lol
DRPM is defensive rating not defensive rebounding.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
He was basically categorized as a SG when he started in place of Danny.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
http://www.82games.com/1617/16SAS8.HTM#byposQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Well, he took Danny's slot at the start of the year and he plays both wing slots...but true, he's not a typical SG.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
:tu However, even though there are teams that probably would take him in a trade, I'm not sure a D'Antoni calls up Pop to initiate a trade for Kyle. I also doubt that Pop calls up D'Antoni to initiate trading Kyle for a first round pick. While this a season when I think PATFO should be aggressive in the trade market, I just never expect them to make any deals. That way, I am usually not disappointed. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
His length has always allowed him to be exceptional defensively.
No shock. He just needs the ball more to be unleashed
Dude gets torched by every player he's assigned to :lol anybody in the game threads knows this.
Hopefully a GM bites on this fraud metric tbh
Hopefully dude keeps improving. :tu
I wonder if Kyle went to Pop's secret town meeting.
I don't expect deals either, though one never knows its just unlikely there is anything team altering on trading guys that are still at the edge of the rotation when everyone is healthy. For something more significant your have to trade more salary IMO. Maybe next season I am thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
Only in a literal sense. In reality, Leonard essentially slid down to shooting guard. Clearly, Anderson is a combo forward defensively and can't guard the majority of top opposition perimeter players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
The same idiots who treat this stat as the gospel dismiss it when it suggests that Duncan had the biggest defensive impact in the league in recent seasons.
I think you meant to say "in a figurative sense."Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
No, Anderson literally took Green's spot in the starting lineup, when he was injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
When not in transition, but as I'm sure you know, Leonard usually takes the toughest match defensively. Offensively, 2 & 3 are pretty much the same, literally and figuratively.Quote:
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So we're saying Fathead is a 2? Enquiring minds want to know.
ESPN seems to think so...but I think Kyle is just trying to be an NBA basketball player.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
Yeah. He was a two. He played their defensively. But it really doesn't matter. The scores aren't dependent on position.
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Originally Posted by Chinook
Comparing him to other 2's depends on him being a 2.
For all the bitching about Kyle this season (totally deserved on offense, tbh), I did notice he has been pretty damn good on defense.
At least last time I looked, he would be sixth for SFs. Still elite. The score doesn't depend on position, but positional ranking would, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
Good thing we rate players on Offense and Defense. Not some bullshit half full thing. Dude is a dud. Anyone can see this.
I don't care if they use Hillary's computers to calculate these numbers, some GM better bite and send us a nice trade proposal...
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Originally Posted by dabom
Check your phone. Bruce Bowen has a message for you.
He said he was a positive impact player. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by GSH
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Hopefully, there is a team that's balls deep in analytics that will give up a 1st rd pick for him.:lol (Maybe D'Antoni thinks he can turn him into '05-'06 Boris): http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/sto...ytics-rankings
This guy got 30 seconds of playing time today and got blown by twice.
:lol advanced metrics
:lol Daryl Morey philosophy
after today, I'd say he should get 30mpg tbh
Fat GMs going off ESPN NBA 2k video game metrics
If Anderson could shoot the three like Bowen he would probably be starting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
this is why advanced stats are mis-interpreted and used by people like you and chinook
Top 3 in DRPM for SGs: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/2
1) Fat Head
2) Simmons
3) D-League Danny
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:toast This just shows the Spurs defensive problems come in the paint and the rim... for the most part the wings are doing their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
PG defense is weak as well...
Gasol is actually relatively high on the list in DRPM, as is Lee. Kawhi, OTOH, isn't even sniffing the top 100. Think the defensive struggles have to do with Kawhi's new focus on offense. Hopefully as LMA gets into shape and starts doing more of the heavy lifting on offense Kawhi's defense picks up. If that happens things will even themselves out; if not then it emphasizes the need for a playmaking guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
You're telling me Kyle/Simmons are playing better defense than Kawhi?:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
It has to do w/ them playing w/ Dedmon who leads the team in DRPM. Danny also missed some of the early blowout such as the Cripples/Jazz game where the starters got run off the floor.
Kawhi has played plenty with Dedmon as well tbh. Many of us have made note of his drop off on D this year; it's understandable when you look at his offensive load so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Everyone that has played a lot of minutes w/ Pau aka the starters have a negative on/off number.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
The best defensive lineup has been:
-Dedmon
-LMA
-Kawhi
-Simmons
-Patty
...that's the line-up that run the Duds off their own court. Danny is the one that fell off but the shitty DRPM metric will tell you otherwise such as Pau being a plus defender.:lol
A drop-off from the level he was still puts him ahead of most guys. Hes that good on that end. Just one of those stats that should be taken with context imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Still a big drop off nonetheless. Spurs are gonna need that level of defense if they wanna do anything this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by bklynspursfan
Agreed, and Kyle probably still overall played more with Pau than with Dedmon bc once Danny returned from his injuries his minutes have been inconsistent and dropped off dramatically. Since then he has been on plenty of end of the game garbage time lineups that are horrible on defense.... that is why I said Kyle was holding his own individually. If anything Simms is the one to be playing the most with Dedmon, and his improvement on defense has been noticeable individually as well. I think each of these 3, Kyle, Simms, Danny have been doing their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
If we want to look at defensive problems, one has to look elsewhere. Kawhi has been inconsistent. He can turn it on when he wants to, but he's expending a lot of energy on offense right now.
Also Gasol probably gets a boost bc of rebounding but his contests at the rim are really weak. Timmy last season was at over 5.0 in drpm.. Pau at slightly over 1 point makes for a marked reduction in rim protection.
Lamarcus has declined. I think he has lately turned it up, but he was also inconsistent to start the season.
Idk if it's a big drop-off, at least from the effort he's putting in. It's probably an adjustment for him knowing TD isn't back there anymore. He's still getting his steals and being disruptive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
To say Anderson or Simmons have been better defensively, I just am not sure about that. Anderson has been ok, but he still has too many lapses and gets caught ball watching, and Simmons plays with a ton of energy, but he too is late to rotations at times or gambles.
I appreciate these advanced statistics, and think they're useful, but context and obviously the eye test are important too
He went from having a DRPM of ~6 to under 1 between this season and last. That shouldn't happen even with the retirement of Timmy and addition of Gasol. Even by the eye test his defense has been subpar for him this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by bklynspursfan
Id say its very obvious that people underrate both Anderson's and Simmons' defenses.
I'm not sold that they are as good as these stats say, but Anderson Is very disruptive off ball and affects things with his height and length. He's also deceptively quick.
He has problems with small guards which makes for some obvious glaring bad plays, where his positive attributes are more hidden.
Eye test says he's great you stupid fuck. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
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Originally Posted by lilbthebasedgod
:cry you disagree with me so fuck you !!!!!! :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Kawhi is all defensive team right now you stupid fuck. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
:cry Kiwi is da bestest ever fuk yu :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Look man, we know you're a gutless fan. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Biased cuck. :lol
Thanks for saying something so fucking retarded I can actually bump it everytime for laughs. :lol
Thanks for posting anything of value in this forum, ever...:lol wait, nevermind.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
:lmao pot calling the kettle black
Thankfully no one has to do much looking to find one of your awful posts, they litter the board en masse.
No one actually thinks you're funny, but keep trying retard. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
I don't even remember one good take from you. :lmao
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You're not very good at this, are you?Quote:
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Almost like I post nothing of value according to you. So it must be meaningless. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
:lol much like this comeback, I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Dang, you got zinged and this is all you can post. Much like your takes cuck. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
:lol I guess the damage done by your own post must be jarring, you're sticking with the same insult over and over now; it does get thrown around here quite often I suppose, you must've liked the way it sounded.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
You've never posted an "ahead of the curve" take. Your fathead and Simmons is better than kawhi defensively don't count. :lmao
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Autist would be the 5th best defender on the Dubs lmao he looks better than he is on the spurs because they dont have any standout defenders like klay or iggy
Dray's defense stands out even with those guys on the team
So now I post with substance. If that's the case, you're a cuck. Quote me on that one. :lmao
Where was that defense first game of the year? O yeah..., :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
lmao first game of the year when nobody is trying
we saw what happened last year and the spurs didnt add notable players for this season
If I quoted you on all your posts, all there'd be is cuck cuck cuck cuck mothercuck...Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
We also saw the warriors get cucked on live tv when it mattered. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
Look tbh, I still don't ever remember one good take from you. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
all this guy does is post emojis and talk about cucking lmao
Laker fans posting about Warriors. Too scared to have it below your avatar. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
I already did, and by your words no less :wow!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Calling Kyle and Parker, Fathead and Porker isn't a good take dumbass. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
By your words it is though, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Calling Kyle and Parker, porker and fathead is not a take. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Whatever you say, champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
You mean like LeBron on social media?:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
http://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/...roncookies.jpg
:lol let get this one straight tbh
Anderson plays half of his time SG, rest is between SF and PF, he plays 14 mpg so 7 mn at SG position, wow thats some impressive shit right there... Too bad Spurs can just use that DRPM only 7 mn a game... :cry
Been saying this for awhile, tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Pop has to use Dedmon, Leonard, Simmons more together
RPM is kind of useless when isolated as offense vs. defense, tbh..it's much more accurate as an overall stat..regardless, too early to make conclusions, despite prior years being taken into consideration to form the number..
Duncan to Gasol has been a major dropoff for the Spurs' defense..
ISO situations:
http://oi63.tinypic.com/16l9p4k.jpg
Pick&Roll ball-handlers:
http://i65.tinypic.com/2it215e.jpg
Kawhi has seen major dropoffs in ISO defense and a small dropoff in pick&roll D, but it's too early to be concerned, small sample size..some decline was going to be natural with the increase in offensive responsibility, although there was no way he could sustain his pick&roll D dominance from the past 2 seasons, which was historically great..
Green's defensive weakness is where it's always been, which is defending through screens(struggles to defend players like Redick, Beal, that just run through screens all game)..
Simmons' has been relatively poor at defending the pick&roll and has gotten killed by bigger offensive players inside..
Obviously it should be noted that Green, Leonard and Parker play against starters most of the time, while Anderson, Simmons and Mills are opposed by bench-caliber players(although Patty's minutes are almost split, at this point)..
Very small sample size that will probably look completely different in 2 months, though(irrelevant in regards to this thread, though, as we're discussing current defensive problems)
Numbers saying Green's the best one-on-one defender on the team? What else is new? :wakeup
I wouldn't be too concerned with Kawhi's abysmal numbers, though. Dude still has that intimidation factor going for him. Guys aren't going to try to take him unless he makes a mistake.
And Kyle is putting in a fantastic defensive season. But of course, he's too slow to play in the league.
:lol fantastic is selling it short imo, try historicalQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
D-Lee w/ those Draymond numbers.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Kawhi picking up the D the last 3 games :tu
adv stats are weird sometimes
Pad his stats (if that's possible), and then see if there are any suckers.
Simmons now #1 just ahead of Tony Allen (Juice has a better overall RPM: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/2 :wow)
Good shit by Simmons. His evolution as a player has been fun to watch.
Simms lowkey improved his D this year..He's also become fearsome in transition especially when trailing opponents ala DG :lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Still #1, w/ Simmons at #2 & Danny at #5.:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Kinda crazy that Kyle and Jonathon have both been bad on O according to RPM. In general, advanced stats seem to hate the Spurs this season.
Yeah, Kawhi's DRPM is not that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Kyle has been exactly impressive on offense.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
It has been creeping up since he starting line-up picked it up in December.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Fat Head ranked #1 overall among SGs in DRPM
Now... if only Kyle was a SG, that would mean something.
He sure does stand out in this poster:Quote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
This is hilarious... almost as if it was a shtick... but it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
It's Pop's shtick..
he becomes 9th overall between sg and sf, so still pretty great. Now one can hate on it or just accept it and be happy ..Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
Kyle/Simmons/Manu/Danny all in the top 10 & Kyle has a better RPM than the #1 ranked player (Tony Allen): http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/2