Tony Parker joins elite company

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Originally Posted by 313

18,000 points/6,000 assists:
J.Stockton
K.Bryant
G.Payton
J.Havlicek
S.Pippen
C.Drexler
O.Robertson
R.Theus
L.James
I.Thomas
J.West
T.PARKER

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Jordan is not inside this list?

When discussing Monsieur Parker, always keep proper pronunciation in mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRFdeU3Kyo4

Damn

Timmy was that good, helping Tony to inflate his stats to Reggie Theus like status :wow

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

You should just stop posting. Parker was an MVP candidate and a scoring/penetrating PG. Any other system and his numbers would have been much higher.

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Yeah, but people calling him GOAT point guard is a bit much. Stockton had almost 16,000 AST, I think. Kidd finished a hair short of the 18K points, but had over 12,000 AST. Nash's numbers were very close to Kidd's. Chris Paul will probably finish this season with somewhere near that 18K point mark, but he will have more like 8,500 AST's - and it's his 12th season vs. Parker's 16th. Hell, Andre Miller has 8,500 AST's and over 16,000 points.

A lot of people here vastly under-rate Parker's career. But GOAT? That's a bit much. Having a PG of his caliber alongside Tim Duncan made a big difference. I've always thought they would have been better off with a PG that dished a little more, and spent a little less time in the paint. But the list of better PG's, even by that standard, is very, very damned short.

lol even Reggie Theus was better than Porker, and he didn't have Duncan to carry him

So lets not compare him to the likes of Stockton or Kidd :lol

He probably leads the list of "points in the paint" by a point guard... which is pretty impressive in its own right.

Thanks to today's NBA rules that allow easier pentration

Also thenks to hte presence of Tim and Bible Chaser in the paint

Many of those PITP were attained as a one man fast break... especially early on in his career... You were probably still in diapers.

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Originally Posted by spursparker9

Jordan is not inside this list?

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Jordan has 5633 assists.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Many of those PITP were attained as a one man fast break... especially early on in his career... You were probably still in diapers.

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Yup

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

You should just stop posting. Parker was an MVP candidate and a scoring/penetrating PG. Any other system and his numbers would have been much higher.

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Yup, Erin Barry can attest to that.

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Originally Posted by GSH

Yeah, but people calling him GOAT point guard is a bit much. Stockton had almost 16,000 AST, I think. Kidd finished a hair short of the 18K points, but had over 12,000 AST. Nash's numbers were very close to Kidd's. Chris Paul will probably finish this season with somewhere near that 18K point mark, but he will have more like 8,500 AST's - and it's his 12th season vs. Parker's 16th. Hell, Andre Miller has 8,500 AST's and over 16,000 points.

A lot of people here vastly under-rate Parker's career. But GOAT? That's a bit much. Having a PG of his caliber alongside Tim Duncan made a big difference. I've always thought they would have been better off with a PG that dished a little more, and spent a little less time in the paint. But the list of better PG's, even by that standard, is very, very damned short.

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Well, he's clearly the GOAT *Spurs* PG, but that's not exactly saying much. :lol

Historically PG has been the weakest position in the league or tied with SG (outside of MJ). There have only been a handful of truly great PGs and Parker is definitely near the bottom of that list, but he's on it.

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Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Well, he's clearly the GOAT *Spurs* PG, but that's not exactly saying much. :lol

Historically PG has been the weakest position in the league or tied with SG (outside of MJ). There have only been a handful of truly great PGs and Parker is definitely near the bottom of that list, but he's on it.

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:tu Always like talking hoops with you. You're one of the people I trust not to go ape-shit crazy, just because I have a different opinion. This time I totally agree, though, that his career puts him at least among the very good ones. His biggest negative over the years, IMO, is that he wasn't a terribly accurate passer. He made guys reach far too often, and it gave defenders a chance to close on them. Turned a lot of potentially great plays into busted plays.

Unfortunately, his biggest success depended on him having that burst of speed to get by defenders, and he just doesn't have that now. He's at a difficult point in his career, but that doesn't change who he's been for all these years. Nobody piles up numbers like he has by being the kind of stiff a lot of people here have called him for years.

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Originally Posted by GSH

:tu Always like talking hoops with you. You're one of the people I trust not to go ape-shit crazy, just because I have a different opinion. This time I totally agree, though, that his career puts him at least among the very good ones. His biggest negative over the years, IMO, is that he wasn't a terribly accurate passer. He made guys reach far too often, and it gave defenders a chance to close on them. Turned a lot of potentially great plays into busted plays.

Unfortunately, his biggest success depended on him having that burst of speed to get by defenders, and he just doesn't have that now. He's at a difficult point in his career, but that doesn't change who he's been for all these years. Nobody piles up numbers like he has by being the kind of stiff a lot of people here have called him for years.

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I really would have liked to see his numbers in a different system. I mean, Duncan was a fantastic passer for a big man and his assist numbers were pedestrian for his career. I would think that in a system that doesn't encourage as much ball movement that they would have had much higher numbers. I could see Tony averaging 8-9 and TD getting 5 a game. Not unparalleled but perhaps a better reflection of their acumen. Keep in mind, Parker was the fastest player in the league for a while -- that makes it a lot harder to pass especially when his game was so predicated on agility near the hoop.

Thanks for the kind words, and likewise. That used to be the norm at SpursTalk.

Watched an episode of OPEN COURT on NBA-TV today. Isaiah Thomas was asked which PGs of today would compare to the PGs of the past in seeing the whole court and controlling the game. First he mentioned LeBron who he said controls the game as a point forward better than anyone else in todays game. Then he chose Chris Paul and Tony Parker. High Praise from one of the elite PGs in NBA history.

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Originally Posted by lefty

lol even Reggie Theus was better than Porker, and he didn't have Duncan to carry him

So lets not compare him to the likes of Stockton or Kidd :lol

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Ugh, Reggie Theus was a SG and played just 12 seasons to Parker's 16. Only a buffoon like you would think he was a better player than Parker.