offense more important than defense in today's NBA!!!

I think it is..last year's Spurs were dominant on defense and winning Rs games because of defense..by the time playoffs come they lacked on offense and no Rythm at all to win games at crunch time.. the warriors on the other hand dominated on offense and it gave them 73-9 record and 1 win away to win it all if curry not choking on game 7 of the finals..

Warriors had a better team, that's all.

Always has been. A Harden type >> a Bowen type.

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Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan

Always has been. A Harden type >> a Bowen type.

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Well.... If you put it that way

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Always has been. A Harden type >> a Bowen type.

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Then the defensive minded team like the grizz, pacers and bulls should have won a title already In the last 3 to 4years bbecause they were good defensively..

I don't think it's that simple. Warriors had the best defense in the NBA along with the 2nd best offense when they won the title in 15. They had a top 5 defense in 16 as well.
SA had a top 3 defense when they won in 14.

Like everything in life, you need balance.

A Harden type > Bowen type sure

but

A Mutombo type > Al Jefferson type

You could use those type of examples both ways.

in b4 :lol today's NBA posts

there is no reason as to why good defence wouldn't mean better offense, aside of fitness, but that really can't be the reason for a team like the spurs.

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Then the defensive minded team like the grizz, pacers and bulls should have won a title already In the last 3 to 4years bbecause they were good defensively..

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just because they are defensive minded, doesn't mean that they have great defenders.

Balance has always been the key, regardless of era, tbh..

You get the occasional anomalous team like last year's Cavs, but balance is generally a consistent trait with all title teams..

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I think it is..last year's Spurs were

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What does the chick in your sig love?
Just about the time it is getting close and readable it .gifs back.

Regular season, true

Playoffs, no.

Oh, and op owes lefty $4.45 for using a trade marked term.

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I don't think it's that simple. Warriors had the best defense in the NBA along with the 2nd best offense when they won the title in 15. They had a top 5 defense in 16 as well.

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Golden Phaggots defense was pretty good, but greatly enhanced by WarriorRef on both ends of the floor.
Additionally the fluke injuries to Clippers and Cavs masked a ton.
2016 unmasked.

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Balance has always been the key, regardless of era, tbh..

You get the occasional anomalous team like last year's Cavs, but balance is generally a consistent trait with all title teams..

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interms of importance I rate it like this: offense = 50%, defense = 40% and luck = 10%....

So far the warriors are 1st in offensive rating and 8th in defensive rating, the Spurs are 6th and 13th

There is no doubt about it that how and where a team finishes it's offensive shot leaves the team in position (or not) for transition Defense.

For example on the Spurs when LMA does his dipsy doodle turnaround jumper from the wing, I notice very often the Spurs then have no offensive rebounder in position.

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There is no doubt about it that how and where a team finishes it's offensive shot leaves the team in position (or not) for transition Defense.

For example on the Spurs when LMA does his dipsy doodle turnaround jumper from the wing, I notice very often the Spurs then have no offensive rebounder in position.

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What if the opponent can't miss? Is there anything the defense can do? That's there's a saying " great defense but a better offense"..

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Regular season, true

Playoffs, no.

Oh, and op owes lefty $4.45 for using a trade marked term.

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what if the opponent cant miss in the playoffs? Is there anything the defense can do? The answer is you have to counter it with offense too..

Suns Dynasty baby

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Suns Dynasty baby

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grizzlies, pacers and bulls ( with thibbedou)DYNASTY BABY

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What if the opponent can't miss? Is there anything the defense can do? That's there's a saying " great defense but a better offense"..

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When has that ever happened? :lol If we look at recently, yes Wardell could not miss for most of 2014-15 season. Until he got some defense stuck in his face in the form of the Rockets Patrick Beverly.

But I mostly agree with you. And, oftentimes a good way to slow down an offense is to make them play defense.

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So far the warriors are 1st in offensive rating and 8th in defensive rating, the Spurs are 6th and 13th

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I guess they're 5th and 13th.

But they were #7 on Defense last week...Then these last 3 games allowing 100 points happened.

Cleveland's defense beat Golden State's offense last year.

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Cleveland's defense beat Golden State's offense last year.

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Cleveland is 9th on defense last year..and the clutch 3 offense of Irving is the one who beat the warriors..

Offense and defense are very cyclical so its always going to be about balance.

No. Balance is needed, the warriors and thunder have had dominant defenses, as did the spurs.

More important? Nah, considering defense has more impact on offense than offense on defense. Offense can beat defense, but can't create possessions. Great Defense creates possesions.

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No. Balance is needed, the warriors and thunder have had dominant defenses, as did the spurs.

More important? Nah, considering defense has more impact on offense than offense on defense. Offense can beat defense, but can't create possessions. Great Defense creates possesions.

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Offense has more impact than defense..

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Offense has more impact than defense..

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Defense creates offense. Offense can't create defense.

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Defense creates offense. Offense can't create defense.

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Offense is the best defense..

Surprise, surprise...

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Surprise, surprise...

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If the heat can ever figure out the offensive part of their game they could be really good.

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I don't think it's that simple. Warriors had the best defense in the NBA along with the 2nd best offense when they won the title in 15. They had a top 5 defense in 16 as well.
SA had a top 3 defense when they won in 14.

Like everything in life, you need balance.

A Harden type > Bowen type sure

but

A Mutombo type > Al Jefferson type

You could use those type of examples both ways.

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Good post.

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If the heat can ever figure out the offensive part of their game they could be really good.

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Well, that's what makes the Spurs so great, the way they build things.

Heat lost their two FMVPs and look really bad on that end, in Wade-Lebron years they didn't look for a young talent to continue the legacy.

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Cleveland is 9th on defense last year..and the clutch 3 offense of Irving is the one who beat the warriors..

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You can say LeBron's block on Iggy was just as important tbh.

Balance.

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Offense is the best defense..

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Offense can't create defense.

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Cleveland's defense beat Golden State's offense last year.

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Draymond and injuries beat GSW in '16.
Those 2 teams are trading lucks :lol

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Offense can't create defense.

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But defense can't add points to the scoreboard without the ability to score, unless the defense creates tons of fast breaks that unskilled players can finish :lol

I think it's about both, as said. If I had to pick, that would be difficult too. If a team is only elite at one of them, that one has to be great enough. If you can slow down the game enough, sure defense wins. If you can shoot well enough, sure offense wins.

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I think it is..last year's Spurs were dominant on defense and winning Rs games because of defense..by the time playoffs come they lacked on offense and no Rythm at all to win games at crunch time.. the warriors on the other hand dominated on offense and it gave them 73-9 record and 1 win away to win it all if curry not choking on game 7 of the finals..

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I think the Spurs were also so good because they not only played D but they played so fundamental. They take advantage of all the other teams wasteful hero-balling. It covered up the fact that we needed more scoring. Once OKC played as a team, every part of them was more talented than us.

As for GSW? The regular season version and playoff version are two different teams, Ive seen that two years straight. Ive also seen defense and rebounding be a much bigger factor in the playoffs than in reg season.

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You can say LeBron's block on Iggy was just as important tbh.

Balance.

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I give Irving's 3 a slight edge..

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Offense and defense are very cyclical so its always going to be about balance.

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I think the Spurs were also so good because they not only played D but they played so fundamental. They take advantage of all the other teams wasteful hero-balling. It covered up the fact that we needed more scoring. Once OKC played as a team, every part of them was more talented than us.

As for GSW? The regular season version and playoff version are two different teams, Ive seen that two years straight. Ive also seen defense and rebounding be a much bigger factor in the playoffs than in reg season.

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so offense is more important..if Danny, patty, kawhi and manu shoots well from 3pt last year like 2014 playoffs maybe we win the title last year..

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Offense can't create defense.

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But you can counter with offense..

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But defense can't add points to the scoreboard without the ability to score, unless the defense creates tons of fast breaks that unskilled players can finish :lol

I think it's about both, as said. If I had to pick, that would be difficult too. If a team is only elite at one of them, that one has to be great enough. If you can slow down the game enough, sure defense wins. If you can shoot well enough, sure offense wins.

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Defense can put points on the scoreboard, the exact way you explained it can . :lol

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But you can counter with offense..

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That's what they both do.

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I think it is..last year's Spurs were dominant on defense and winning Rs games because of defense..by the time playoffs come they lacked on offense and no Rythm at all to win games at crunch time.. the warriors on the other hand dominated on offense and it gave them 73-9 record and 1 win away to win it all if curry not choking on game 7 of the finals..

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Didn't help at all that their defensive anchor finished off his good knee in March a D was playing on will legacy and memories.