Since 2011-2012, when Danny Green hits at least 3 three's....

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Not going to read the entire thread(:lol), but I don't think the aesthetics of the offense are a knock on Kawhi as an individual..

Just based on position, it would be very difficult to build the same type of offense around Kawhi..he has improved dramatically as a ball-handler and playmaker, but he's never going to have the same effect as a guard, in that regard, it just isn't natural..

In terms of playmaking, I think his ceiling will probably be Paul Pierce, who had a similar career arc, in that regard..even Pierce needed other offensive anchors(KG) and capable playmakers(Allen) to run a high-level offense, though..

Unfortunately, the Spurs' demise will be their lack of reliable guard options IMO..

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We're talking about gravity though. I can break down all the games where kawhi draws a double or triple on almost every drive or pnr. This team doesn't have 2 play makers. It has one. You can't blame kawhi for lack of packaging either when he already delivers more than anyone. I don't know why people dog him on his play making when he needs to score for the team to do well. The role players are just gonna miss shots in the playoffs.

Instead we need to ask mental midget icy hot to stop missing his wide open shots in the playoffs. It be great if he could produce on all the games in the playoffs instead of showing up for one or two.


And lol at people actually thinking fathead was the xfactor iso scorer in a Spurs warriors 7 game series. :lmao

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Originally Posted by Chinook

So here are a couple of articles on gravity:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ity-basketball

http://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2015/1...ity-in-the-nba

I'm posting these in good faith, even though they somewhat contradict that I was saying. The first article suggests that there is an on-ball gravity that is measured by players' ability to drive. That is something that you can use to suggest Leonard has better gravity than Parker, though that same article uses Tony as an archetype for this type. The second article suggests that bigs have the most gravity since they're near the paint. And that's true in my mind for a guy like Deandre Jordan. But I wouldn't say that about a guy like LMA who isn't a put-back specialist.

When I'm talking about gravity, I'm mainly talking about how a player's movement or lack there of affects defensive assignments. Parker's gravity on PnR wasn't tremendous in my mind. His gravity in the Zipper Series was huge, and I don't think there's an offense that will be able to leverage Kawhi's skills enough to get him there. Even Durant inside the paint doesn't have great gravity.

Tony being a HoFer really does mean something. It's unlikely that Kawhi will be better than Parker in everything. It would be like arguing any comparison between Robinson and Duncan that favors David. Kawhi not being able to synergize with an offense like Tony could isn't a strike against his legacy.

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Dude you must be exhausted. Right or wrong, you're trying to conduct a basketball discussion while a couple of posters act defensively about Kawhi.

I've never seen this beta bitch before. :lol

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Originally Posted by NameLess Scrub

Dude you must be exhausted. Right or wrong, you're trying to conduct a basketball discussion while a couple of posters act defensively about Kawhi.

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Eh, work's slow, and 100%'s a good dude. There are also a lot of posts that are on ignore, so I don't even know what they say.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Eh, work's slow, and 100%'s a good dude. There are also a lot of posts that are on ignore, so I don't even know what they say.

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Well that sounds better. This friggin board does help those days :lol

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Not going to read the entire thread(:lol), but I don't think the aesthetics of the offense are a knock on Kawhi as an individual..

Just based on position, it would be very difficult to build the same type of offense around Kawhi..he has improved dramatically as a ball-handler and playmaker, but he's never going to have the same effect as a guard, in that regard, it just isn't natural..

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Let me guess, they're a knock on Aldridge (who arrived a season after the aesthetics started to decline)?

What about Bird, Pippen, Hill, McGrady, James, Antetokounmpo?

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Its as simple as this.

Parker & Manu had the foot speed, quickness in change of direction and acceleration that enabled them to create significant separation from their man in ISOs or in PnRs. They'd be able to draw in the weakside D a lot quicker, which opened up wider passing lanes and off ball opportunities for their teammates

Kawhi doesn't have the same foot speed, quickness, or acceleration. The times he does turn the corner on PnRs his guy is usually on his hip as Kawhi physically fights his way around the corner. He doesn't have the vision either as sometimes the strong on ball D makes him reverse his dribble right into congested areas of the court where one weakside defender can essentially defend two guys ( Kawhi and his man) at the same time.

Kawhi doesn't have the same quickness, foot speed, acceleration or vision to be as effective in breaking down a defense like Parker and Manu did in their prime.

Sure Kawhi can still be effective in PnR situations with his scoring because of his elite length/strength using his body to get off mid-range pull ups and using his body to get off shots in the paint, but he will likely never be able to break down defenses like Parker and Manu did in their prime.

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Hopefully some picked up more on this after watching tonight.

Kawhi was a mess.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Hopefully some picked up more on this after watching tonight.

Kawhi was a mess.

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Pop definitely can't expect a great offense built around him. It almost has to be built separately and just have Kawhi segments like episodes of I Am Weasel in the Cow and Chicken series. It's not that Kawhi can't play his game, but the offense can't just be him and LMA taking turns taking shots that would be bad if the average player were taking them and then having Pau come in and do something similar.

I bet ya faggots weren't crying after the first game. :lmao

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Hopefully some picked up more on this after watching tonight.

Kawhi was a mess.

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In this game? Sure.

But Kawhi was driving strong and drawing fouls most games.
He's averaging more FTAs than Parker in his best scoring season, that should be enough for any forward.

Anyway, I'd like to see more of these plays insted of Kawhi being forced to play an unnatural game for him.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Hopefully some picked up more on this after watching tonight.

Kawhi was a mess.

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Like I've said before, better pray that Kawhi can give us more of good games than bad.

Because the Spurs have ZERO options there. Who can score 'consistently' on this team not named Kawhi-LMA? Gasol? Maybe, maybe not.

Parker 0-6? Danny 1-4? Lee 0-4? Old Manu? We have just Patty, Simms on the bench and Kawhi/LMA in the starting lineup.

We can move the ball for open shots but if we'll rely on Manu/Parker to take the shots we won't win many games.

That was part of the issue in OKC series, the Spurs missed more open shots than contested...You know why it happened.