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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
Robz4000
Trading Green is an awful idea. He fits great next to Kawhi, isn't a diva, and he gave the team a steep discount to stay; it'd look bad to the rest of the league.
It's only awful if you don't think about the potential return Green would net, especially in a package.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
I would rather trade the diva that comes into camp out of shape two seasons in a row and has never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs than a proven playoff performer who always plays hard. Hopefully Spurs see it that way too.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
raybies
Parker locked up for another year and Ginobili making 14 million this year. It's not Paus and Manus you should be combining its Parkers and Manus. Now that's about 30 mill this year.
Why not look at all three?
Porker Pau and Manu extorting 44 million a year.
Who could have been acquired for that?
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
You have to make a move to fix this team, though..they aren't winning a title without backcourt playmakers..
They don't have any assets outside of Green, since it's highly unlikely they would trade Aldridge..nobody is taking Parker, nor would the Spurs ever trade him..Kyle Anderson isn't getting you a real piece in return..
They aren't winning without Green either, so they might as well keep one of their core players that will still be playing at a high level in a few years when the team finally gets rid of the dead weight in Porker/Manu/Pop.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
Robz4000
Trading Green is an awful idea. He fits great next to Kawhi, isn't a diva, and he gave the team a steep discount to stay; it'd look bad to the rest of the league.
Of course it's an awful idea. He's one of the most "Spur" Spurs. I think he'd be just fine Haslaming it for the rest of his career if the Spurs' window closes. The Spurs need to make whatever trade they can that gets them someone to close with a Green/Leonard/LMA core. Then they can fill that final big spot with Lee, Dedmon or Bertans.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
timtonymanu
I would rather trade the diva that comes into camp out of shape two seasons in a row and has never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs than a proven playoff performer who always plays hard. Hopefully Spurs see it that way too.
Tbh
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
timtonymanu
Danny isn't the problem though. You aren't going to find players like him easily, especially for the price he's playing. The team messed up giving Parker an extension and expecting Manu to carry the bench at 39 years old. Danny also does stuff that doesn't show up on the box score (his transition defense, rim protection). It's on the other guys to play up to their contracts. Frankly, I would Aldridge for a guard before Danny Green.
Pop has always placed a lot of value on young players who improve year-on-year. He's talked about it in any number of interviews. Danny hasn't improved in at least the last two seasons. At this point, I think we can pretty much get used to the idea that he can't drive and score. If the Spurs see the writing on the wall for this season, Harlem is right about the value of trading Danny while his stock is high.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
SpurPadre
It's only awful if you don't think about the potential return Green would net, especially in a package.
If you talk to other fans, it's not that high. The latest RealGM Green trade was Danny, Patty and an lightly protected first for Dragic. And Miami fans thought it wasn't enough.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
SpurPadre
It's only awful if you don't think about the potential return Green would net, especially in a package.
Green won't bring back a return equal to his worth tbh; his contract is too small, not to mention he'd only interest playoff teams/potential playoff teams that wouldn't be willing to send back one of their role players with value.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
GSH
Simmons is really working on using his penetration to get open shots for other guys. Sometimes too much, but I can at least see that he's doing something to expand his game. If the rest of those guys were playing well, I'd be all for what Simmons is doing. The fact that we are seriously worried about relying on him says a lot.
Simmons running the offense::lmao...he makes Lance Stephenson seems like Magic Johnson.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
If you talk to other fans, it's not that high. The latest RealGM Green trade was Danny, Patty and an lightly protected first for Dragic. And Miami fans thought it wasn't enough.
I don't think they need Danny/Patty when they have Richardson/Johnson.
Maybe Deron Williams could get bought out & Spurs/Rockets could have first dibs to pick him up (if he clears waivers) since he most likely wants to stay close to his hometown (Dallas) ala LMA.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
There's no quick fix here, tbh... if you're gonna put it on one guy, it gotta be Pop... this team goes from largely amazing on the road to lethargic at home. It's not about calling people soft, it's about doing something about it.
You can have bad shooting nights. Tonight was one of those nights. But there's no excuse to coast at home, and most of the loses had a big dose of that.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
There's no quick fix here, tbh... if you're gonna put it on one guy, it gotta be Pop... this team goes from largely amazing on the road to lethargic at home. It's not about calling people soft, it's about doing something about it.
You can have bad shooting nights. Tonight was one of those nights. But there's no excuse to coast at home, and most of the loses had a big dose of that.
Agreed
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
Danny frustrates me because he's had 5 seasons now to add some semblance of a dribble-drive or inbetween game to his arsenal, but he's still over-reliant on being the same system spot up shooter as he was in 2013.
Even J.J. Redick developed a midrange in between game. Last season, he took 34% of his shots from between 16 feet and 3 point range, and shot .473 from there. J.J. took 52% of his shots from 2 point range in total.
D-League took 38% of his shots from 2 point range in total and he shot below 40% from every 2 point distance except from 0-3 feet :lol. Shit, Redick even shoots a higher percentage from 0-3 feet than D-League.
Someone will say because Redick plays alongside Chris Paul, but that's yet another excuse. It's never on Danny. It's always some excuse. "LMA is affecting his shot." "He's just limited. A role player. What do you expect?" "Parker this, Parker that."
Every time he catches the ball at the arc, he gets closed out on, and has an ocean of mid-range space to hit a pull up jumper. Again, Redick does this at a great clip, but yet D-League is somehow incapable of adding it to his game. Kawhi added it to his game by his 2nd second season, and he was a terrible shooter coming out of college.
I don't buy it.
But yeah, he plays defense and hit a bunch of 3s against the Heat for 2 games.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
lol at trading Green before two soft pussies bigs with zero equity in the team and a washed up 34yo PG..
Honestly, I would look to move Mills before the trade deadline with his impending FA in this market....
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
Kawhitstorm
Simmons running the offense::lmao...he makes Lance Stephenson seems like Magic Johnson.
You and Dabom. Both of you make shit up, and then argue about it. Running the offense? I said he's trying to be less of a ball hog, and you read "running the offense"?
Come to think of it, you and Dabom both use those limp-dick emotes all the time. Coincidence?
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
It's not about calling people soft, it's about doing something about it.
Fucking amen. And players will eventually tune him out if he keeps trying that line of talk. The dude doesn't seem to make any changes to the offense during the game. The first ATO in-bounds play was to get Kawhi a 16-foot turn-around. I don't know if he ever called plays to get guys threes.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
If you talk to other fans, it's not that high. The latest RealGM Green trade was Danny, Patty and an lightly protected first for Dragic. And Miami fans thought it wasn't enough.
Miami's FO hasn't been making the best decisions lately, though so maybe we can replace Patty for Anderson...nah, never mind. Money doesn't work.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
Chinook
If you talk to other fans, it's not that high. The latest RealGM Green trade was Danny, Patty and an lightly protected first for Dragic. And Miami fans thought it wasn't enough.
I'm guessing you did a lot of research of "other fans" for that? Getting your opinions from the same people who were SURE that Hillary was going to win in a landslide, until about 10:00 on election night.
"So, as you can see, Danny's value is really quite limited at present."
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
spursistan
lol at trading Green before two soft pussies bigs with zero equity in the team and a washed up 34yo PG..
Honestly, I would look to move Mills before the trade deadline with his impending FA in this market....
I don't advocate trading him. We're priced in. And if he gets hot, this team is a different animal, so it's worth rolling the dice.
I just find it funny that he's beyond criticism. He'll do his 5 straight games with 2-6 points on 40% shooting thing, and the blame will somehow fall on LMA or Parker's shoulders.
Yeah, it's kind of a problem when our starting SG isn't a consistent double-digit scorer in the modern league.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
SpurPadre
Miami's FO hasn't been making the best decisions lately, though...
I just don't think you'd anything great for him. I think had MKE known what was going to happen to Middleton, they would have given up 10 for Green during the draft. Maybe Chicago would have done something similar with 14. Or SAC with eight. None of the guys they actually picked at those spots would be good enough now, especially since the Spurs wouldn't be able to use that cap space. Plus those teams don't have the same optimism they had during the summer.
Sixers fans have suggested that Green could be the main piece in an Okafor package, but unless it's like Okafor, Covington and Korkmaz for Green, Mills and some other incentive, I don't think it has legs.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
midnightpulp
I don't know who's out there to fix the problem. Or which pieces we can conceivably trade.
If the alternative is just sitting there hoping for the best...
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
Robz4000
Didn't have to be a name; just a mobile big that had the tools ala Dedmon. Hell, they could've just roll with Bertans as the back-up 4 or started him alongside LMA. Then they have $15mil+ to get a guard.
We needed an additional playmaker in the SL. Kawhi and Parker are just average playmakers, and LMA and Green are non-existent playmakers.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
I don't know what to tell you. I see what you see.
One of Pau or LMA will need to be traded to get an asset.
I can't see Pop making such a drastic move. It is only the 4th loss of the season after all.
But I am not discounting your point at all Mid. It's just probably what is going on in Pop's head.
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Re: Rank our backcourt rotation compared to the rest of the league.
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Originally Posted by
midnightpulp
I don't advocate trading him. We're priced in. And if he gets hot, this team is a different animal, so it's worth rolling the dice.
I just find it funny that he's beyond criticism. He'll do his 5 straight games with 2-6 points on 40% shooting thing, and the blame will somehow fall on LMA or Parker's shoulders.
Yeah, it's kind of problem when our starting SG isn't a consistent double-digit scorer in the modern league.
Beyond criticism? He gets shit on here plenty. However, he isn't the one being paid $16mil or $14mil while being a net negative player. Green can't be the best guard on a championship-calibre team, but every championship team needs a player of similar ilk.
