Knight actually makes 14m/year in avg and let's be honest here : He sucks. Smalish 6'2 SG with a a Iverson mentality but only 10% of the talent.
If i'm NOLA, I'd rather keep Jrue in a 22m/year contract. NOLA looks much better with him back and he is only 26 y/o. That contract won't bite them in the ass in the future.
I see PHX as a trade parnet for Aldridge as they wanted him badly in the FA and almost got him, but it would have to be a straight up deal, without a 3rd partner.
Jrue isn't guaranteed though. He'll be unrestricted and free to go anywhere (they could lose him for nothing). And if they go back to the drawing board and try to sign a PG in FA, you're looking at paying Knight money to Dellavedova type talent.
They won't do better than Knight for the money in free agency. And then you throw a nice prospect like Bender on top of it?
12-01-2016
elemento
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Jrue isn't guaranteed though. He'll be unrestricted and free to go anywhere (they could lose him for nothing). And if they go back to the drawing board and try to sign a PG in FA, you're looking at paying Knight money to Dellavedova type talent.
They won't do better than Knight for the money in free agency.
He isn't, but it's not like he is unhappy there asking for trade. The Pelicans actually handled the whole Lauren Holiday quite well and i'm sure he is taking it into account. In the end, it's all about the money. He will probably get a max/close to max 5y contract and stay.
Personally, I'm very low on Brandon Knight. I'd rather have nothing than him and his contract. I think NOLA will take their chances to keep Jrue and in my opinion, they're right.
12-01-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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I think NOLA will take their chances to keep Jrue and in my opinion, they're right.
They obviously weren't as sure as you are since they didn't offer him an extension when they could have.
12-01-2016
Kawhitstorm
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Aldridge to PHX
Jrue Holiday, T. Jones, Cunningham pick to SA
Knight, Bender, Chriss to Pelicans
Davis would demand a trade if that ever happened.:lol
Knight isn't better Lou Williams & Bender is about 3 years away from being a rotation player. They would turn into the Kings who have a bunch of bigs but no starting point guard; Buddy is also looking like McLemore 2.0.:lol
If the Pelicans ever made that trade then they should sign Rudy Gay & change their name to the New Orleans Kings. (FYI: Pelicans have an incompetent front office that gave huge long term contracts to Asik/Tyreke/Solomon Hill while letting Aminu walk)
12-01-2016
elemento
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
They obviously weren't as sure as you are since they didn't offer him an extension when they could have.
They weren't for health issues. Jrue is a very good PG when healthy though. Regardless if Jrue stays or not (i think he stays), I don't think NOLA should take BK and he isn't a PG or a good basketball player IMO.
12-01-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Davis would demand a trade if that ever happened.:lol
Knight isn't better Lou Williams & Bender is about 3 years away from being a rotation player. They would turn into the Kings who have a bunch of bigs but no starting point guard; Buddy is also looking like McLemore 2.0.:lol
If the Pelicans ever made that trade then they should sign Rudy Gay & change their name to the New Orleans Kings.
Love how you always mistake your subjective takes for facts.
You don't think getting Bender & Knight right now for less than market value is a good move w/ Jrue's upcoming free agency? Nothing is guaranteed with Jrue. They could lose him for nothing, and then have to pay Brandon Jennings 15 mil per for 2 yrs. Plus, they aren't winning anything this year with Jrue anyway. It's not like he has value this year to them.
12-01-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Originally Posted by elemento
They weren't for health issues. Jrue is a very good PG when healthy though. Regardless if Jrue stays or not (i think he stays), I don't think NOLA should take BK and he isn't a PG or a good basketball player IMO.
Knight is a poor-man's Jason Terry
12-01-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Love how you always mistake your subjective takes for facts.
You don't think getting Bender & Knight right now for less than market value is a good move w/ Jrue's upcoming free agency? Nothing is guaranteed with Jrue. They could lose him for nothing, and then have to pay Brandon Jennings 15 mil per for 2 yrs. Plus, they aren't winning anything this year with Jrue anyway. It's not like he has value this year to them.
I didn't say it wouldn't be smart for the FUTURE of the franchise but that ***Antony Davis is going to demand a trade if he has to go through a rebuilding process***
T-Mac forced his way out of Orlando when the Magic were in line for the #1 pick in the draft (Dwight) after getting tired of losing despite putting up monstrous numbers & paying for it w/ his body. He was only 24 & had 3 years left on his contract.
12-01-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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I didn't say it wouldn't be smart for the FUTURE of the franchise but that ***Antony Davis is going to demand a trade if he has to go through a rebuilding process***
Do you realize how stupid you sound?
They've gone through a rebuilding process his whole career there albeit one season where they over achieved and barely got the 8th seed in 2015 and he still signed an extension. Hell they are still rebuilding. Has he demanded a trade? You act like Pelicans are currently a contender when they aren't even a playoff contender.
Dumb.
THEY ARE IN A REBUILDING PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
12-01-2016
elemento
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Knight is a poor-man's Jason Terry
if only he could shoot like Terry. To me there's no room for a guy like BK in a true contender.
BK has that Jamal Crawford chucking mentality, with Rubio's shooting touch and Javale's BBIQ. But hey, at least he is athletic.
12-01-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Do you realize how stupid you sound?
They've gone through a rebuilding process his whole career there albeit one season where they over achieved and barely got the 8th seed in 2015 and he still signed an extension. Hell they are still rebuilding. Has he demanded a trade? You act like Pelicans are currently a contender when they aren't even a playoff contender.
Dumb.
Yeah he didn't sign the MONSTROUS extension b/c it wasn't a MONSTROUS contract & the Pelicans weren't seen as a team on a rise but rather a rebuilding team after they gave the eventually defending champs a competitive series despite getting swept.
What next? Lillard signed the MONSTROUS extensions under the premise that the Blazers were a rebuilding team & he was okay w/ it.:lol
12-01-2016
gambit1990
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
would trade parker for a 3rd round draft pick.
12-01-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Originally Posted by elemento
if only he could shoot like Terry. To me there's no room for a guy like BK in a true contender.
BK has that Jamal Crawford chucking mentality, with Rubio's shooting touch and Javale's BBIQ. But hey, at least he is athletic.
He's not that much more talented than Jordan Crawford who's only out of the league b/c he has a terrible work ethic.
12-01-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Originally Posted by elemento
if only he could shoot like Terry. To me there's no room for a guy like BK in a true contender.
BK has that Jamal Crawford chucking mentality, with Rubio's shooting touch and Javale's BBIQ. But hey, at least he is athletic.
He's not as bad as you guys are saying. He actually shot 41% from 3 just over a year ago in a huge sample ( 5 attempts per game) and has shot over 36% from 3 for his career ( Terry has shot 38% from 3 for his career). He's 24 and has been a good player in his early career -- he just averaged 19, 5 and 4 just a year ago.
Is his IQ great? No, but he's still young. Has he been disappointing this year so far? Yes he has, but its very early in the season and he's only 24 but the potential is there -- he's proved it in his career.
By no means am I saying he's great, I'm just saying he's better than you and Mr. Facts are implying.
I wouldn't mind this, I love Summer League Anderson but goodness and mercy he's been disappointing this season. Wouldn't a team assume they are missing on a player if the Spurs are calling?
12-01-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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He's not as bad as you guys are saying. He actually shot 41% from 3 just over a year ago in a huge sample ( 5 attempts per game) and has shot over 36% from 3 for his career ( Terry has shot 38% from 3 for his career). He's 24 and has been a good player in his early career -- he just averaged 19, 5 and 4 just a year ago.
Is his IQ great? No, but he's still young. Has he been disappointing this year so far? Yes he has, but its very early in the season and he's only 24 but the potential is there -- he's proved it in his career.
By no means am I saying he's great, I'm just saying he's better than you and Mr. Facts are implying.
Brandon Knight is a TERRIBLE playmaker, dude turns the ball over at an ungodly rate when he has to run the offense. He is also a minus defender who's laterally challenged to check point-guards. Buddy Hield/Knight would be a disastrous backcourt.:lol
Knight & E'Twaun Moore were from the same draft class, let's check how they're doing this season: http://bkref.com/tiny/p5ujw
12-01-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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I'm resigned to losing Mills in free agency. If PATFO can find a way to get an asset or somehow upgrade the back-court by packaging him at the trade deadline, I would certainly do it..
By Jan/February, this team should get a clear idea about their postseason chances..It is gonna suck seeing him in Pistons uniform as we get nothing in return per par :lol..
:cry
12-01-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
Brandon Knight is a TERRIBLE playmaker, dude turns the ball over at an ungodly rate when he has to run the offense. He is also a minus defender who's laterally challenged to check point-guards. Buddy Hield/Knight would be a disastrous backcourt.:lol
Knight & E'Twaun Moore were from the same draft class, let's check how they're doing this season: http://bkref.com/tiny/p5ujw
If he's a TERRIBLE playmaker ( nice way to quantify it -- not surprising) -- then what kind of play-maker is Leonard if he's had a worse assists to turnover ratio?
Again he's not as bad as you're implying. Facts back that up. Keep over exaggerating your subjective takes though.
12-01-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
If he's a TERRIBLE playmaker ( nice way to quantify it -- not surprising) -- then what kind of play-maker is Leonard if he's had a worse assists to turnover ratio?
Oh, we're comparing Kawhi's play-making abilities to a guy who's supposed to be a point guard?:sleep
Brandon Knight commits comedic Austin River-ish turnovers when he was drafted as a POINT GUARD.:lol
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Playmaking
Knight averaged 5.1 assists this season but did so with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 1.49, which ranked 66th out of 76 qualified players and better than only D'Angelo Russell among point guards.
A big contributor to this poor assist-to-turnover ratio was Knight's inability to set his teammates up for easy baskets. Of his top five pass targets this season — Eric Bledsoe, Devin Booker, P.J. Tucker, Jon Leuer, and Mirza Teletovic — only Leuer, Teletovic, and Tucker were also in his top five assisted players and neither were in the top two. Contrast that with Bledsoe's abbreviated season, where of his top five pass targets, four were also his top five assisted players, including the top three overall. As a primary playmaker for the team, Knight has to be more cognizant of setting his teammates up for scoring opportunities with his passes rather than making a pass just to bail out of a situation or when his own offense doesn't materialize.
Kawhi on the other hand has one of the lowest turnover rates among high usage players. His assist-to-turnover ratio is basically the same as Giannis who's supposed to be a FULL-TIME point-forward.
.........Do You Want More?????:wakeup
12-01-2016
apalisoc_9
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
Unless its Bledsoe, tucker..The spurs should not give up Aldridge.
12-01-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Unless its Bledsoe, tucker..The spurs should not give up Aldridge.
No one here suggested any Sun for Aldridge.
12-01-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
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Oh, we're comparing Kawhi's play-making abilities to a guy who's supposed to be a point guard?:sleep
Brandon Knight commits comedic Austin River-ish turnovers when he was drafted as a POINT GUARD.:lol
Kawhi on the other hand has one of the lowest turnover rates among high usage players. His assist-to-turnover ratio is basically the same as Giannis who's supposed to be a FULL-TIME point-forward.
.........Do You Want More?????:wakeup
I never said he was a good play maker and I never said he was great.
I'm simply saying you're over-exaggerating how bad he is.
Keep trying, you have a long way to go.
Start with comprehension first.
12-01-2016
CGD
Re: Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline
If we're looking to the future, then LMA to Boston for Nets 2017 1st round pick + Jaylen Brown + Amir Johnson