Play Spurs GM Before Trade Deadline

Any trade(including pipe dreams) has to be centered around the fact that the Spurs would never trade Parker or Aldridge, tbh..

The only trade-able assets are Green and Mills, and you certainly won't be getting an upgrade in return at the price of their respective contracts(both extremely cheap for their roles in comparison to their peers)..

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Any trade(including pipe dreams) has to be centered around the fact that the Spurs would never trade Parker

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:depressed

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Why are you twissting my words my man. Many Valuable trading assets are terrible players in truth. It's his contract and the fact that hes under 25 that makes him valuable..doesnt excuse him for being a turnover machine.

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That doesn't make sense though. Even in this financial era, it's all relative. No one would take on his contract if he really was a terrible player, let alone trade a top 15 or 20 player for it.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

That doesn't make sense though. Even in this financial era, it's all relative. No one would take on his contract if he really was a terrible player, let alone trade a top 15 or 20 player for it.

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He's terrible in a sense that trading your best Big for Knight neccistate a major role for the former. He's not good enough to be your best penetrating Guard. Certainly not for a contender. Simply put, he's not good enough. None of his numberd suggest he's gping to be a major difference maker.

No one has taken him on for a top 20 player.

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

He's terrible in a sense that trading your best Big for Knight neccistate a major role for the former. He's not good enough to be your best penetrating Guard. Certainly not for a contender. Simply put, he's not good enough. None of his numberd suggest he's gping to be a major difference maker.

No one has taken him on for a top 20 player.

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Agreed, but that's not the same as being terrible. The trade was more of a prediction (if Aldridge wants out) than something I want to see happen, but I'd understand it.

Again, if Aldridge wants out, what's the alternative? At least Knight would bridge the gap between Parker and hopefully Murray and he can play with them and Green, as well as alleviate some of the shot creating burden on Leonard and play off of him too.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Agreed, but that's not the same as being terrible. The trade was more of a prediction (if Aldridge wants out) than something I want to see happen, but I'd understand it.

Again, if Aldridge wants out, what's the alternative? At least Knight would bridge the gap between Parker and hopefully Murray and he can play with them and Green, as well as alleviate some of the shot creating burden on Leonard and play off of him too.

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If you're going to trade Aldridge and the suns are truly desperate, I dont see why the spurs can't ask for Bledsoe. He's a much better player and With the suns content on making Booker their future guard..there should be room for that discussion.

Heck even Marcus smart would be a better option because despite being terrible on the offensive end, he can penetrate and create for his team with a super cheap contract. Amir Johson, Marcus Smart for Aldridge at least gives you financial flexibility going forward.

None of those trades would make you better as team..Except maybe for Bledsoe-Tucker-Len, but there's alternatives out there for knight. Knight is going to police you with his contract even if it was cheap. He's also going to police you with committment from the Coaching staff..because you dont just give up on a 24 year old 13 million dollar player.

How about Anderson to The hawks for the rights to Hinrich. Yeah he's old but it gives you a defensive guy who can handle the ball and is big enough to play SG beside Mills for a year. He's a decent spot up shooter and doesn't make bad decisions. It doesn't exactly give you consistent scoring but it does allow you to have ball handling on the nights when Manu is feeling old, and allows more Mills court time. He'd also probably be pretty useful next to Simmons as a spot shooter for when Simmons probes and gets trapped, and can bring the ball up the floor and initiate an offense.

Spurs won't trade Parker; that's where they're at. So, they have two undersized PGs. And they can't trade Patty b/c what are they going to get for his salary?

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Originally Posted by Gagnrath

How about Anderson to The hawks for the rights to Hinrich. Yeah he's old but it gives you a defensive guy who can handle the ball and is big enough to play SG beside Mills for a year. He's a decent spot up shooter and doesn't make bad decisions. It doesn't exactly give you consistent scoring but it does allow you to have ball handling on the nights when Manu is feeling old, and allows more Mills court time. He'd also probably be pretty useful next to Simmons as a spot shooter for when Simmons probes and gets trapped, and can bring the ball up the floor and initiate an offense.

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Old man Hinrich as a defensive guy. Are you white?

I would sign fredette and then cut him again just for the lols if i was a GM tbh.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Any trade(including pipe dreams) has to be centered around the fact that the Spurs would never trade Parker or Aldridge, tbh..

The only trade-able assets are Green and Mills, and you certainly won't be getting an upgrade in return at the price of their respective contracts(both extremely cheap for their roles in comparison to their peers)..

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i think its partly that they dont want to trade parker for loyalty "spur way" reasons, but its also because his trade value is a negative with his contract, that they really wouldn't gain anything significant out of trading him to make up for the first part

these trade machine things with parker though :lmao... idiot fans dont realize the trade machine only looks at salaries, which makes parker valuable in that regard since we can take on a high paid player

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Old man Hinrich as a defensive guy. Are you white?

I would sign fredette and then cut him again just for the lols if i was a GM tbh.

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:lmao
I have to admit that was funny.
Considering how you like to troll you would do that too... with a personally gift wrapped note to Spurtacular

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Who cares about context though? It's all about whatever is happening in the moment.

Knight has been terrible this season, but it's not difficult to ascertain why: 3rd organization in which he's quickly went from building block to afterthought and probably first time in his life he's been a bench player for an extended period.

Get him in this environment and there's no reason to think he can't get back to the player he was 2 seasons ago, which was solid.

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Let's compare Knight-mare & Patty's per 36 career numbers: http://bkref.com/tiny/cf30t

Contract year Patty vs. Brandon Knight's best season when he was "decent": http://bkref.com/tiny/kCWPr

This is the guy that supposed to take the play-making burden off Kawhi?:lmao

If anything he would be a Patty replacement but might as well pay Patty 10-12 mill & keep him since Knight is one of those guys that likes to pound the air out of the ball before he shoots (ala Crawford) aka he's a ball stopper.

Patty has a low cap hold (6.8) which would allow the team to make use of the cap space & re-sign Dedmon since they don't have his Bird Right. Knight's contract (13mill) would eat into the cap space & make it impossible to re-sign Dedmon or sign any free agent. (Lee could maybe brought back w/ the Room Exception)

Patty/Simmons can be re-signed by going over the cap w/ the 15 mill Manu is going to vacate but the team is most likely going to have to endure one more season of Porker/Gasoft/Fat Head.:bang

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Manu on the Spurs 16-4 start: 'We're not playing well'

Pau: “That’s what I came here to do: to help this team be better and be a winner.":lol

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The good news is that WestBrick is most likely going to opt out in the summer of 2018::wow

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Hezonja has been terrible. He is getting benched by a team that is not that good and invested a high lottery draft pick on him. He's not shooting better than Simmons and doesn't add what either player does on defense or BBIQ. It is a terrible sign that he's not playing for a team with a losing recrod. It's true that he's 21 but he's not better than either player right now and he's shooting 17% from 3 TBH.

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Hezonja is looking like the European version of Ben McLemore. He has the talent but just can't put it together.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

In reality that ^ is the only possible move I can see and it's unpredictable right now who could be made available.

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The only realistic option in the buyout market who could actually help the team is Deron Williams if the Mavs can't trade him & actually clears waivers. IMO, it's between the Spurs/Rockets for his services since he has family/business in Dallas & both teams could really use another playmaker.

I believe the Rockets will have plenty of cap space if they don't match D-Mo's offer sheet from the Nets.:bang

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

The only realistic option in the buyout market who could actually help the team is Deron Williams if the Mavs can't trade him & actually clears waivers. IMO, it's between the Spurs/Rockets for his services since he has family/business in Dallas & both teams could really use another playmaker.

I believe the Rockets will have plenty of cap space if they don't match D-Mo's offer sheet from the Nets.:bang

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They are likely staying pat then... In reality, they could afford to make to do without one of Pau or LMA, but we know that is not happening.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

They are likely staying pat then... In reality, they could afford to make to do without one of Pau or LMA, but we know that is not happening.

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Chalmers & Norris Cole are available.:lol

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

If you're going to trade Aldridge and the suns are truly desperate, I dont see why the spurs can't ask for Bledsoe. He's a much better player and With the suns content on making Booker their future guard..there should be room for that discussion.

Heck even Marcus smart would be a better option because despite being terrible on the offensive end, he can penetrate and create for his team with a super cheap contract. Amir Johson, Marcus Smart for Aldridge at least gives you financial flexibility going forward.

None of those trades would make you better as team..Except maybe for Bledsoe-Tucker-Len, but there's alternatives out there for knight. Knight is going to police you with his contract even if it was cheap. He's also going to police you with committment from the Coaching staff..because you dont just give up on a 24 year old 13 million dollar player.

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I specifically said the Spurs might very well ask for Bledsoe and may in fact be able to get him . . . I'm just not predicting it.

Keep in mind, this hypothetical trade takes place in the off season. At that point, Smart has 1 year left on his rookie contract before probably commanding something in the vicinity of Knight's contract and Johnson is a free agent.

That's not moving the needle though and financial flexibility sounds great, but who's the game changing free agent they're likely to have even a decent shot at any time soon?

They have to start getting some credible players in Leonard's age group and if not in them, then a prospect who conceivably could become a significant building block.

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

Let's compare Knight-mare & Patty's per 36 career numbers: http://bkref.com/tiny/cf30t

Contract year Patty vs. Brandon Knight's best season when he was "decent": http://bkref.com/tiny/kCWPr

This is the guy that supposed to take the play-making burden off Kawhi?:lmao

If anything he would be a Patty replacement but might as well pay Patty 10-12 mill & keep him since Knight is one of those guys that likes to pound the air out of the ball before he shoots (ala Crawford) aka he's a ball stopper.

Patty has a low cap hold (6.8) which would allow the team to make use of the cap space & re-sign Dedmon since they don't have his Bird Right. Knight's contract (13mill) would eat into the cap space & make it impossible to re-sign Dedmon or sign any free agent. (Lee could maybe brought back w/ the Room Exception)

Patty/Simmons can be re-signed by going over the cap w/ the 15 mill Manu is going to vacate but the team is most likely going to have to endure one more season of Porker/Gasoft/Fat Head.:bang

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Comparing Knight to Mills doesn't make sense, because it's highly unlikely Mills will ever become the starting point guard. Knight should be compared to next season's and beyond Parker. If he's not already superior at creating his own shot, he should be by then, so yeah, he'd help assist Leonard in that regard.

If they made this trade, Dedmon's being resigned would be contingent on what Gasol does. If he opts out and leaves, Len and Dedmon would split the minutes at center. If not, Dedmon would be gone.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z6vd52s

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Originally Posted by Emperor

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z6vd52s

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I doubt Denver would go for that without sweetener from the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Comparing Knight to Mills doesn't make sense, because it's highly unlikely Mills will ever become the starting point guard. Knight should be compared to next season's and beyond Parker. If he's not already superior at creating his own shot, he should be by then, so yeah, he'd help assist Leonard in that regard.

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Knight isn't even a starter even on a pretender let alone a contender, it would be like starting Jamal Crawford but even then he actually isn't as good a one-on-one player.:lol

Let's compare Knight/Crawford at the same point of their career (25, 6th season) after they started for a couple of mediocre teams & essentially played the same amount of minutes: http://bkref.com/tiny/lboqP

Crawford has always been rated as a mediocre player by advanced metrics & even then he has VORP twice that of Knight-mare.:lol

Someone like Lou Williams is more valuable than ball stopping chuckers like Crawford/Knight since he actually gets to the line.

Pop is going to want to see this team try to gel before doing trades. If he does, it won't be a blockbuster. He values "Corporate Knowledge" and LMA now has a bit... I bet Pop assumes.

This team is not going to see anything major, if anything at all, in the way of trades.

Have fun wasting your imaginations on this shit, though. Sounds like a good time waster.

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

Knight isn't even a starter even on a pretender let alone a contender, it would be like starting Jamal Crawford but even then he actually isn't as good a one-on-one player.:lol

Let's compare Knight/Crawford at the same point of their career (25, 6th season) after they started for a couple of mediocre teams & essentially played the same amount of minutes: http://bkref.com/tiny/lboqP

Crawford has always been rated as a mediocre player by advanced metrics & even then he has VORP twice that of Knight-mare.:lol

Someone like Lou Williams is more valuable than ball stopping chuckers like Crawford/Knight since he actually gets to the line.

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In this hypothetical that I created (and for the 42nd time, I only think happens if Aldridge wants out and it's more of a prediction than something I want to see), he'd become the starter in '17-'18 because the alternative would be an ancient Parker.

I'm well aware that he's ideally a sixth man and the caliber of teams don't matter because the Spurs don't have Bledsoe in front of him.

If your boy is the play maker you and your ilk claim he is, then a combo guard should suffice alongside him.

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Originally Posted by tonight...you

Pop is going to want to see this team try to gel before doing trades. If he does, it won't be a blockbuster. He values "Corporate Knowledge" and LMA now has a bit... I bet Pop assumes.

This team is not going to see anything major, if anything at all, in the way of trades.

Have fun wasting your imaginations on this shit, though. Sounds like a good time waster.

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Absolutely the truth.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

In this hypothetical that I created (and for the 42nd time, I only think happens if Aldridge wants out and it's more of a prediction than something I want to see), he'd become the starter in '17-'18 because the alternative would be an ancient Parker.

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Why in the hell would PATFO trade Softridge for a bigger version of Patty when they can re-sign Patty without worrying about cap space & get at least a LEGIT starter for Softridge?:rolleyes (I don't see any reason for the Suns to hold onto an injury risk like Bledsoe if they can get someone like Marcus Smart + 1st rd pick(s) from the Celtics who would take Softridge in a heartbeat)

Darren Collison is a better playmaker than Knight & he's going to be a free agent this summer. PATFO can let Patty walk & sign Collison if Softridge isn't traded. (They can do a sign & trade if the Kings are interested in Patty)

John Wall might also demand a trade this summer so PATFO can still leverage the Celtics into putting a package for the Wizards. Dragic is another option if Pat Riley can somehow get Bosh's contract off the books.

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

Why in the hell would PATFO trade Softridge for a bigger version of Patty when they can re-sign Patty without worrying about cap space & get at least a LEGIT starter for Softridge?:rolleyes (I don't see any reason for the Suns to hold onto an injury risk like Bledsoe if they can get someone like Marcus Smart + 1st rd pick(s) from the Celtics who would take Softridge in a heartbeat)

Darren Collison is a better playmaker than Knight & he's going to be a free agent this summer. PATFO can let Patty walk & sign Collison if Softridge isn't traded. (They can do a sign & trade if the Kings are interested in Patty)

John Wall might also demand a trade this summer so PATFO can still leverage the Celtics into putting a package for the Wizards. Dragic is another option if Pat Riley can somehow get Bosh's contract off the books.

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Guys like Knight and Len strike me as Spurs (less certain with Bender and Chriss, but nothing I'm aware of suggests otherwise) and we all know how important that is to them. I also think they'll realize there is no move they can make to get back into contention, so taking a step back and restocking the cupboard will be the focus.

Again, I think the Suns would move Bledsoe, but it would be unlikely in a scenario where they trade for Aldridge, because that would defeat the purpose of a would be win now move . . . and if they are that concerned about his knees, then why the Spurs want him?

If, however, the Spurs are confident he can hold up for a while, then the 3 way trade you're alluding to makes sense . . .

To Celtics: Aldridge

To Spurs: Bledsoe and Bender or Chriss

To Suns: Smart, Brown and/or non Nets 1st(s)