What a demonic nigga, tbh..hardest Spurs big in a looong time..
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What a demonic nigga, tbh..hardest Spurs big in a looong time..
Hope the team can keep him. Pop needs to start giving Dedmon his due respect. Should be starting over one of Pau/Aldridge.
I want him to play more mins, tbh... even on a night Gasol didn't play, this dude couldn't see the court the entire 3rd quarter? smh
Called him the soon to be third best spur behind Kawhi and Danny in just his second spurs game tbh.
Sadly, He is probably republican. Pop hates republicans.
He is republican...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Said it like 4 weeks ago.
People need to keep up.
He couldn't play more minutes in Orlando because he was a foul machine, which hasn't really changed, unfortunately..I wish he could give the Spurs 25 MPG, but it's probably unrealistic, sadly..
Overrated stiff
But compared to the excrement that are Gasol and Aldrshit, hes God
Play him sparingly to keep his market value down.
He should start over Pau even if Pau plays more minutes, but I doubt Pop does it. I doubt we blow a game in the 1st quarter as we did multiple times this season with him starting.
His hands can be absolutely pitiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
But there is so much ability. He is so much quicker on blocks, rebounds, setting picks, diving off a pick. But he can be absolutely mistake riddled the next game. And yeah, Dedmon looks like your typical Republican... yikes...
Oh, he's definitely horrible on offense outside of dunking(and even then, he has missed a few, this season:lol), but his defense and rebounding have been outstanding..
That gets you paid in the NBA, look at players like Biyombo..
:pop:: "He needs to get over himself."Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
This shit again?
Pop's rotations were just strange tonight, even excluding Dedmon's minutes..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
He's the kind of player I wanted the Spurs to go after in the off season. Could've used the money the wasted on MVPau on a playmaking guard; I love Gasol but him and LMA are practically the same player on this team.
Poor man's Robinson, but he was great tonight :lol
Loved blocks and defense in the paint and on opposite guards.
Even on the bench, he was some kind of Patty-motivator :tu
Pop effusive in praise :wow
Very thankful he didn't go to the Warriors.
:lmao conspiracy theories
but yeah dedmon is awesome
Yep..the forgotten story, they were the other team chasing him, would have had their starting C and rim protector:(Quote:
Originally Posted by MI21
Damn hanging his nuts on Justin Anderson from all angles..:lol
Could the Dubs had got him after Durant? They could only offer Dedmon the minimum, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Im down for dedmon to start.. Bring Gasol off da bench with manu and lee.
Imagine the value he would bring to that team over D-Worst, :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Yep..it was between the Spurs and Dubs according to reports at the time IIRC..they could only offer him the minimum, while the Spurs were able to give him more IIRC..Chinook probably remembers more accurately..Quote:
Originally Posted by ViceCity86
That's not saying much.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Nice player, but I'm not getting the appeal of him as someone who can conceivably start and replace "Paussy."
There's too much evaluation of players in a vacuum lately without consideration of the overall effect they could have on other players, namely our Alpha.
One of the reasons I'm such an advocate of LMA and now Pau isn't because I'm a great fan of them on an individual level, but how they can potentially complement Leonard's game. Everyone loves Leonard's "Jordan-esque" mid-post game on here, and those people want to see the offense run through him in those spots every time down. Fair enough. But for Kawhi to flourish the most in that context, he needs to be paired with bigs who have ranges of 15 feet and out.
Dedmon won't draw an opposing shotblocker out of the paint.
See here.
http://i.imgur.com/KDACh9F.png
"K" is one of Kawhi's favorite spots to post up, and from there, he can take a turn around jumper or post-dribble into a drive. Offensively limited bigs like Dedmon typically hang around the "D" spot on offense hoping for o-boards and put backs, which lets the opposing paint anchor basically patrol the paint. If Kawhi turns for a jumper, the opposing big can rush him enough to bother the shot. If Kawhi dribbles from there, the opposing big can go for a block.
Pau can pull another big much farther out, giving Kawhi a lot more space to work with. And with LMA drawing his man out, Kawhi is going to get plenty of isolation opportunities where help defense can't do much as they'll have to stay home on Pau and LMA.
Dedmon will be useful in spots, but I think he would be a detriment to Kawhi's game overall long term.
I truly do love this guy. Wasn't he supposed to be a Jehovah's witness and wasn't allowed to play Basketball until he turned 18 when he had his own choices? He seems like a guy that grew up in a rough neighborhood.
I really loved his defensive performance tonight, and I'd take that over Pau's offense. I am a lot more excited about Dedmon scoring 6-8 points coupled with his play on the defensive end Vs Pau scoring 15 points along with putrid defense. Gasol probably needs to be benched. Not sure you can bench LA.
Dude is a mini-DRob. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
Kawhi isn't really a slasher or a drive-&-kick guy but rather a mid-range shooter. All he needs is a PnP partner like LMA to get one of the bigs out of the paint then he's either going to pull up or drive based on how the other big plays it. As far as 4-down post-ups, Pop has pretty much eliminated that from the playbook except for Softridge. The days of clearing sides for Kawhi post-ups is over unless it's a mismatch where Kawhi bullies the defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
For the most part, Kawhi is playing ISO ball w/ LMA stretching the floor when Dedmon is in the game.
Reposting for the page flip.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
So far he reminds me of the flashes we had with Nazi; seems to have the skills, just needs the consistency. I hope we can keep him.
Exactly. And more spacing the better, since pulling the other big out gives him an additional lane to use. He needs all the interior spacing he can get when driving since he's not a Lebron/Westbrook super athlete who can routinely posterize shotblockers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
It also gives Parker more space, but he's useless no matter the scheme these days.
I don't know if Dedmon should start, he's a foul machine..he's perfect in his role, at the moment..
Not to mention Gasol would never happily accept a bench role, based on his history..
I don't have a problem with Gasol as an individual, he's been fine for the Spurs, exactly what I expected..it just sucks that he was essentially a wasted signing that could have potentially been used on a guad, since he's redundant with Aldridge in virtually every way(including being soft)..that's just hindsight, though, since the Spurs probably didn't expect both Dedmon and Lee to perform as well as they have..
I'll take Kawhi's pull-up over Pau's defense especially if he's being replaced by an elite defender who can grab offensive rebounds & be a lob threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Replacing Pau w/ Dedmon has essentially had the same effect as Tristan replacing Love in '14-'15 & the Cavs actually had Mozgov instead of a stretch 4 like LMA.
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Jordan did fine with Rodman
I'm think the FO's logic was similar to mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Gasol + LMA drawing bigs out of the paint=ocean of space for Kawhi. Plus Pau's superlative passing having impact. I also think the FO was hoping, once again, that Parker would have a resurgence, since the increased spacing would benefit his penetration. But he doesn't even do that anymore.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pop sought out Pau in the interest of his loyal son Porker.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
He's the type of player Spurs needed.
He makes an impact on the game on the defensive end, on contested boards and without the ball on the offensive end. Wish Aldridge & Gasol didn't need the ball to extract their marginal overrated value.
Pau made sense. All his defensive metrics were similar to last season's Duncan, from rim protection and on. Add in his passing and shooting, and he seems tailormade for the Spurs. I honestly don't think he's a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
It's the backcourt sans Patty. I won't even throw Danny under the bus here. In reality, Parker and Manu are killing us. Oh, we also don't have a backup SF. Fathead still hasn't paid any dividends.
Pau would have been GREAT as a Diaw/D-Worst replacement but his defense didn't pass the eye test in Chicago besides his ability to block shots/rebound when he's camping under the rim. (He doesn't get exposed in FIBA b/c there is no 3 second rule)Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Not signing a LEGIT 5th guard like Felton was inexcusable when Enrique/Evita are a 73 year old backcourt.Quote:
It's the backcourt sans Patty. I won't even throw Danny under the bus here. In reality, Parker and Manu are killing us. Oh, we also don't have a backup SF. Fathead still hasn't paid any dividends.
thank god parker wasn't playing tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
if parker was in that possession then dedmon would be passing the ball behind him and parker would've waited until the mavs got back on defense before making a pass.
He would have reversed the ball out when he saw a shot blocker running towards the rim, including his own teammate.Quote:
Originally Posted by gambit1990
You're not thinking about the game deep enough. You're basically explaining basic concepts that are on the level of a CYO coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
In all honesty, Kawhi can work just fine with Dedmon if he was able to see the court better, so the times when he would have the lane ( which hardly happens), the weakside perimeter defender would dig down to Dedmon to eliminate the anticipated pass if Dedmons man was to move over to contest Kawhis' penetration. This would leave the weakside three wide open and would be a better end result than a Kawhi mid range jumper.
Hell, Kawhi would work better with Dedmon if he was able to turn the corner in PnRs better too because Dedmons dives in the PnR would suck in the weakside defense creating open 3's on the weakside. Give me wide open weakside 3's from the corner all day over a contested Kawhi jumper.
Kawhi and his weaknesses are a bigger reason why the others haven't been effective when Kawhi has the ball because: A) He can't create separation from his man with his foot speed/acceleration to attract an aggressive commit from the weakside D ( opening up wider passing pockets and easier and more efficient shots for others). B) He lacks vision and decisions passing the ball are very poor.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
This must happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleCriminal
and neither one of them plays defense worth a damnQuote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Agreed, and that's why I think the logic of give Kawhi the most space to work with via isolation by pairing him with shooting bigs makes sense in theory. It covers some of those limitations. Much easier to kick it out to waiting Gasol than it is to find Dedmon in traffic with a shovel pass (something Manu was great at doing in his prime).Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
One option this season is to play Kawhi at the 4 spot & have him run 4-5 PnPs w/ Pau or LMA who could set a drag-screen at the 3 point line to force a switch. It would have to be against a team that doesn't have an elite 3 where Kawhi would have to be matched up against & that team might be the Cripples whom Pop could afford to have Kawhi play the 4 when Blake is on the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Patty/Felton
Manure/Crawford
Simmons/Rivers
Kawhi/Johnson?
Pau/Speight
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Originally Posted by timtonymanu
Poor man's Robinson would be a top 20 player in the league todayQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Soooo Pop don't wanna start him cuz it'll hurt Paul's feelings?
if he could be a poor man's draymond I'd take it tbh... both have some fire when they play, they shake things upQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Where do you get that Pop hates republicans? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
Just because he leans left doesn't mean he hates or isn't going to play republicans.
I think Dedmon should start. Would love to see him starting and Pau coming off the bench. I know it won't happen but I am loving Dedmon this year!
:lol ST schticks sometimes...
For Chinook dude is coddled like a mofo by Pop. On the opposite side of the sceptrum, Apo is with the Pop hates Dedmond because he is republican.... I love this site
What? I never said anything like that about Dedmon. WTF is with ST creating "sound bites" out of thin air?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
He wasn't talking about dedmon you stupid fuck. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
i think we need him, but he can be quite dumb from time to time.. then again, better have random dumb moments than play lee
like my nigg dabom said, was talking about your Simmons is coddled stuff and Apo Dedmon is hated... I was not very clear in my post to be fairQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Simmons being coddled is actually a law of physics, so I don't know what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Didn't realize he didn't play organized ball until he was 18
:lol sure thing palQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Pop should take some of those games that he uses to rest people and rest Gasol only.
He won't lose the starting position, but the team can try Dedmon in the SL and see how it works.
I'd like to see him get some pointers from David Robinson on workouts, he needs some big guns like David had. I like this guy, he seems real sharp and a good guy as well.
I have loved Dedmon. I hope the team can resign him. Probably my favorite big in this team TBH.
Dedmon in the starting lineup and Pau off the bench is the obvious move. I doubt the super duper coach, which doesn't take shit from anyone and likes players that are "over themselves", does the move, tbh.
Dedmon needs more minutes than Lee from here on out.
He impacts the game in so many more ways. Love the activity he brings on both ends.
Great game by him.
I wish he was starting. :cry
Agreed. Though I don't think he should start. The Pau/diva thing is, well, a thing, and prime Manu set a precedent for a bench player being better than the guy he's supposedly backing up. Dedmon has definitely earned the right to finish games and play at least as many minutes as Pau imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
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Originally Posted by Brazil
Is "sceptrum" the same thing as "taint"? If it is, then I understand Chinook and Apo being on opposite sides of the sceptrum.
Agreed. But Pop can't bench Pau, since he already said in the offseason that "Pau is a starter" to silence the rumors about of him coming off the bench as the best fit with the Spurs lineups.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
That was a surprising and ugly move by Pop. And exposed Pau's diva-attitude about his need of being recognized as starter.
I just hope that Pop reduces his minutes and plays Dedmon more.
I at least hope Pau and Dedmon get the Manu treatment and come off (if starting) or come in (if on the bench) at the 6 minute mark. Dedmon gained the right of being the first guy off the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by GSH
:lmao
How old is dedmon? Niggas has wrinkles like hes 60Quote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
Only 27..Only other explanation: muslim's prayer bump? :lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
Dedmon needs start. I don't give a fuck about Pau's feelings. "Get over yourself" old fellow.
And he still has more hair than youQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
I suppose The only reason to start Pau is s Pop can Finish with Dedmon without playing dedmon too much minutes and have him with 6 fouls by the 4th quarter considering his tendency to foul.
I think we could hold onto this guy for quite some time. He only started playing at 18 years old. He doesn't have all that mileage on him that most players do. He could be really good. Too bad we don't have Forcier anymore though.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
THIS NEEDS A BUMP
DEDMON IS THE FUCKING MAN!!!!
#STARTDEDMON
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Originally Posted by Kawhi m8
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Originally Posted by Kawhi m8
Spurs' center for years to come.
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Originally Posted by Kawhi m8
He gooooood.
Dedmon.Needs.More.Minutes.
Dedmon.Needs.To.Start.
Dedmon.Is.A.Better.Fit.With.LMA.
Pop.You.Hear.Me.?
Repeat!
Dedmon.Needs.More.Minutes.
Dedmon.Needs.To.Start.
Dedmon.Is.A.Better.Fit.With.LMA.
Pop.You.Hear.Me.?
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Originally Posted by spursistan
I'm hoping that Pop is just trying to have Pau eat minutes in the regular season like Blair while not showing his cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
https://s24.postimg.org/v7ej0bkyr/ded_vs_pau.jpg
Can the "Genius" coach wise-up to this fact?
15/10 in only 23 minutes..amazing second half involved in the 3rd Q game-turning run with Bertans .. :tu
if only he could cut down on fouling; he should play more than Gasol in nights like this when he looks like a total zombie by his lack of effort or simply opponents destroying him.. ..
Picture Pau getting switched on instead :lol..
Glad Pop rode him all night after a suspect, foul-riddled last few games..It keeps my hope up he will again when Pau D gets inevitably shown up by the elite teams in the playoffs..
What I really love about Dedmon is how hard he runs the floor. Great thing to have in a defensive minded big.
He doesn't seem to be able to not foul, 5 in 22 minutes, and he did play more than Gasol last night, who only had 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twuhA0TYc3g
Dudemon's gonna get paid next season, or goes to a contender who will give him minutes (CLE or GSW) :bang
I'm sold. I was against this signing, thought he'd be just a foul machine, but he's been really impressive. Chinook was right, this kid is a keeper.