Kawhi "Carmelo" Leonard is now the most clutch regular season player

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Yeah...I wonder why for some strange reason people remember the shots make late in the game....

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Oh and the only reason great players make a shot late in the game isnt because he is who he is...its bc he has a Clutch gene in his DNA.

Lol youre clueless but youre a good guy.

Let me see...Because those late shots give a team the win??

Damn. What a rare reason.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Let me see...Because those late shots give a team the win??

Damn. What a rare reason.

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You just dont get it. No point in trying to explain more.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

You just dont get it.

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Coming from the guy who in an appreciation thread about a big shot says..."there is no clutch players"...Yep. You get it.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Because he said "I'd much rather have the game come down to an OT at home, than a single shot."

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What he meant was have the Spurs play for the final shot and if they miss, the game goes to OT. He's right. Why would you leave it in the hands of a tissue paper defense to win the game? Furthermore, Kawhi had enough time to drive the lane for an easy lay up or slam dunk and would have eaten at least another 2+ seconds of the clock. Instead, he settled for a half-baked long range two point shot with Oubre JR. draped all over him.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Coming from the guy who in an appreciation thread about a big shot says..."there is no clutch players"...Yep. You get it.

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Lol big shots dont happen because of clutch dna. They happen because the player is great at what he does and has practiced it over and over for decades. That same player will miss a lot too in closing minutes..usually around their career averages because they are who they are.

You just dont get it. Its okay.

And again. 'He gets it'.

Especially, in THIS kind of thread.

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Originally Posted by GSH

If he takes a shot at the buzzer, even if it's a contested 20-footer, the worst that could happen is OT. Road teams, especially weak road teams, look to go for the 3P to win - and Beal/Wall hadn't missed a 3-pointer between them. I'd much rather have the game come down to an OT at home, than a single shot.

It was a bad basketball decision to take that shot. The Spurs were fortunate.

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It was clearly the play Pop drew. He took the shot just because of that. Good thing he's an elite shooter, tbh.

Only on ST can you find people dumb enough to actually bitch cause their team's best player made a clutch shot.

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Originally Posted by GSH

That last shot was with one foot inside the 3P line. If he took that at the buzzer, because that's all they could get, it would be one thing. He either makes it, or they go to OT. But to take a low-percentage shot with that much time left on the game clock, so that even if he makes it, they still have a chance to tie or win? That's not a good basketball decision. The shot went in, and that's what clutch is all about, I guess. But it's still a really bad basketball decision.

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The goal of basketball is get an open look. And by the looks of how the play was designed, it was clear that they expected that kawhi would be open after that LMA screen. It's really on Pop for Kawhi to take it that early.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Really?? I'd rather see Kawhi take a clean shot instead of losing in OT. It seems that you forget that this is the same team who lost to Orlando at home.

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Best I can explain it is that it's like the difference between a 5 game series and a 7 game series. One of Pop's big complaints was that anything can happen in a 5 game series, and that too much of the time the best team doesn't win. When the other team has plenty of time to make a last shot to win, the effort of a whole game comes down to a single shot.

Add to that the fact that home court is a big advantage in OT, and I would much rather see the Spurs have an opportunity to grind down an opponent in a full OT period, than to have the chance for Beal to drain a flukey single shot in regulation. And that's IF Kawhi's long, lower-percentage shot falls. If it doesn't, all the Wiz need is a single 2-pointer to steal the W at the end. There's a reason why road teams tend to go for the 3-pointer to win a lot more often in those situations, and a home time down by 2 tends go for a 2-pointer to tie.

You can say whatever you want, but I don't think there's any NBA coach who would rather have the game come down to a single shot by the other team, playing at home. I'm glad Kawhi made the shot. But I'm pretty sure that Pop knows that the longer the shot, the lower percentage.

As for being "clutch"? The guys who tend to make more of those game-winning late shots are also the guys who tend to make more of them earlier in the game.

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Originally Posted by 100%duncan

The goal of basketball is get an open look. And by the looks of how the play was designed, it was clear that they expected that kawhi would be open after that LMA screen. It's really on Pop for Kawhi to take it that early.

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Kawhi is without a doubt the best player on the team, and he has a green light from Pop to shoot when he thinks he can make it. He's good, and we all understand that. But he would be just as good in 5 minutes of OT, which would give him lots of opportunities to make higher-percentage shots than that. It was a great shot. It was also the wrong time to take it.

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Originally Posted by SupremeGuy

Only on ST can you find people dumb enough to actually bitch cause their team's best player made a clutch shot.

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Point to a post - a single person - who has bitched because Kawhi "made a clutch shot". If you can't find one, you should probably consider shutting the fuck up. Nobody needs to read shit that you hallucinate.

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Originally Posted by GSH

Kawhi is without a doubt the best player on the team, and he has a green light from Pop to shoot when he thinks he can make it. He's good, and we all understand that. But he would be just as good in 5 minutes of OT, which would give him lots of opportunities to make higher-percentage shots than that. It was a great shot. It was also the wrong time to take it.





Point to a post - a single person - who has bitched because Kawhi "made a clutch shot". If you can't find one, you should probably consider shutting the fuck up. Nobody needs to read shit that you hallucinate.

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I dont give a shit who took the last shot or if it went in or not and the wiz would've had a gamewinner or whatever. The point is that it was the designed play, and that's on Pop. Props to them for making it work.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Lol It doesn't surprise me who made this thread.. tbh.. and he couldn't be more clueless. There's no such thing as a clutch player. There's no such thing as a " clutch gene". Such a big myth that average fans eat up. Players are who they are. Great players will have the ball in the hands late in the games, and in the long run (with a large sample size), the averages will be right around the season averages ( players are who they are). The percentages regress to the mean as the sample size increases. There's confidence, but there's not clutch. And every NBA player that's in the game late has confidence with the aspects they do well. Whether it be Steve Kerr shooting a 3, or Tony Parker driving in the lane. They've done it their whole career, and in the long run, they will miss some and make some, right around their averages if you're just patient enough to see the sample size grow. Is Skip Bayless the OP? How or why do people still believe clutch is a thing? There's several articles that will make you feel stupid if you are like Skip Bayless and believe in clutch or a clutch gene. Please read any of these links.. these are just a few examples. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...ce-and-for-all https://cornerthree.net/2014/03/10/does-clutch-exist/ http://www.sbnation.com/2014/1/8/528...d-random-chaos

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Someone has their panties in bunches.:lmao

If there is are such thing as CHOKER then there is such a thing as CLUTCH player, can't have one without the other b/c it's all about RELATIVITY. A clutch player doesn't have to make an absurd amount of shots but rather MAINTAIN their level of play even under PRESSURE which is what Kawhi has done for the most part as he has a career eFG of 55% in the final 4 minutes+ OT: http://bkref.com/tiny/Hx2GG

Melting under pressure is a REAL thing, I don't need some analytics dude sitting on his high-horse to tell me Kirby takes TERRIBLE shots & plays hero-ball so he isn't clutch. There are guy who aren't afraid to jack-up shot during crunch time & there are those who don't deviate from their normal game play.

There are a select few who are able to focus MORE under pressure situation, such as Horry. He had a ridiculous eFG of :wow70%:wow in the 4th quarter + OT of three straight championship runs ('02/'05/'07).

Horry was absurdly clutch for the Spurs during the '05 & '07 postseason runs: http://bkref.com/tiny/ca0Vy

Did anyone else notice Tony's reaction on the bench after the shot?
He looked unimpressed. :stirpot:

Everybody has a point here, imvho. Taking that shot was good because it's his shot and he could make it, regardless of how good it is in general to take or not that shot, and at that point. However they risked getting scored on and the Spurs are struggling to defend certain players. If he missed, even worse.

Taking the shot at the end of regulation was good too as evident, but they risked struggling for a shot, missing, and going into overtime when their defense was struggling vs Wall/Beal.

I guess it's not that simple to determine what was the better course. I guess ideally it was running down the clock with a play good enough to give Kawhi some space.

I think clutch is a real thing if we view it as a combination of high level play and ability to perform under pressure, in general.

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Originally Posted by GSH

That last shot was with one foot inside the 3P line. If he took that at the buzzer, because that's all they could get, it would be one thing. He either makes it, or they go to OT. But to take a low-percentage shot with that much time left on the game clock, so that even if he makes it, they still have a chance to tie or win? That's not a good basketball decision. The shot went in, and that's what clutch is all about, I guess. But it's still a really bad basketball decision.

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Crofl. Get that weak shit outta here.

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Originally Posted by SupremeGuy

Only on ST can you find people dumb enough to actually bitch cause their team's best player made a clutch shot.

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Fucking morons tbh. This place is really going down the shitter.

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Their postseason accomplishments as the no. 1 option are right on par with each other also.

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Except Kawhi didn't get outplayed by Luke Walton for the duration of a playoff series: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...vs-lakers.html

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Their postseason accomplishments as the no. 1 option are right on par with each other also.

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Melo has a championship and Finals MVP as the first option? Since when?

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Their postseason accomplishments as the no. 1 option are right on par with each other also.

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:lol

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

Melo has a championship and Finals MVP as the first option? Since when?

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You're right. He's no Duncan or Parker

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

Someone has their panties in bunches.:lmao

If there is are such thing as CHOKER then there is such a thing as CLUTCH player, can't have one without the other b/c it's all about RELATIVITY. A clutch player doesn't have to make an absurd amount of shots but rather MAINTAIN their level of play even under PRESSURE which is what Kawhi has done for the most part as he has a career eFG of 55% in the final 4 minutes+ OT: http://bkref.com/tiny/Hx2GG

Melting under pressure is a REAL thing, I don't need some analytics dude sitting on his high-horse to tell me Kirby takes TERRIBLE shots & plays hero-ball so he isn't clutch. There are guy who aren't afraid to jack-up shot during crunch time & there are those who don't deviate from their normal game play.

There are a select few who are able to focus MORE under pressure situation, such as Horry. He had a ridiculous eFG of :wow70%:wow in the 4th quarter + OT of three straight championship runs ('02/'05/'07).

Horry was absurdly clutch for the Spurs during the '05 & '07 postseason runs: http://bkref.com/tiny/ca0Vy

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You sound like Skip Bayless. Great players maintain their level of play late in games in the long run because they are great players. It's not because they are clutch or because they have a clutch gene. They are who they are. A clutch gene doesn't exist, confidence exists, but usually if you're a player in at the end of a big game, every player has confidence in the aspects they contribute through their roles.

You can be like the idiot fan, who called Danny Green a choker after the 2012 playoff run, when in reality he just hit a dry spell shooters go through in basketball. He's one of the best spot up shooters, Spurs have ever had and that's why in 2013 and 2014 playoff runs, his shooting percentages increased to the mean after a tough 2012 skid. Then all of a sudden a lot of idiots like yourself were saying how clutch he now was. Soon after, in the 2015 run, Danny then went 12 for 40 from 3 vs. the Clippers and regressed to his mean after two years of shooting lights out. If there was such a thing of clutch then a player that has a "clutch gene" would perform way over their mean and come through time and time again. That is not the case. They'lll miss and make around their career averages.

I like how you left out 5 years of Horry shitting the bed. For the Lakers in 01', 03', for the Spurs in 04', 06', 08' Horry shot below 30% EFG in those same minutes. If he was clutch or if clutch was a real thing, he would come through every year way above his career averages during regular season. That is not the case though because clutch isn't a real thing. It's the biggest myth in sports that idiots like you eat up year after year.

Kiwistans boasting about regular season shot over garbage team :lmao

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Stop getting buttfucked by Barnes/Roberson level scrubs as the 1st option in the playoffs before you can call yourself clutch :bang