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3 years too late. :lol
Gambit1990 has moved on to something more serious..U got a sex tape of Rachel Nichols and you blackmailed her into passing this segment ? :lol
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Originally Posted by dabom
shoulda wouldnt coulda
I'd actually trade negative value to get rid of Tony. I'd cut him and send Danny Green with him in a trade if we have to. He's costing us wins and his sexual antics are destroying his teammates' families. Why do you think Timmy retired?
Yea, cause we've looked amazing with TP out. Smh
Funny. Just watched 2003 and 2005 championship DVDs, and while Tony had some ups and downs in those runs, he was integral no doubt in the Spurs winning those titles. In his prime, he was a beast. He's not in his prime, but he's the best point guard on the roster and there isn't a free agent out there that can replace him, so it's pointless to say he should be dropped.
They have moved on - he's the fifth scorer on the team. Obviously not his role anymore.
Patty is not the answer at the starting 1G that is for sure. I am not so sure the answer is on the team or ready yet (Murray?).Quote:
Originally Posted by bklynspursfan
We're fucked tbh! I'm not a Parker fan myself, but without him..... We look like shit. The bench will be fucked when Manu retires an Patty cost to much money to retain.
Yup. Until a viable replacement comes along, I'm happy he stays. Patty can't run the point, he's a mini shooting guard (saying that with the understanding he's having a terrific season).Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
I don't think there's an answer either. I think Pop will just have to give him time off each month to keep him fresh. He played great after his 2 week break last month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
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Originally Posted by spursistan
that segment made me sad tbh. cause according to pj, pop told him in private that he thinks parker has been doing great this year :rolleyes
parker over the last four games: shooting 38% from the field, averaging 3.3 assists and 2.5 turnovers in over 27 minutes a game :lmao
11 and 4 aren't awful #'s for what we need out of Parker. It's just unfortunate that we've never developed him into a halfway decent shooter. If he could hit the midrange jumper consistently and be able to knock down the open 3 consistently I think he'd still be a positive asset at point guard.
if pop insists on playing parker as many minutes as he has been... you can beat the spurs the way orlando did. just attack parker on defense.
great recognition by vogel.
Pop is a savant. He knows PJ will comment about it publicly.Quote:
Originally Posted by gambit1990
Yeah he did, unfortunately he played all summer again and needs more breaks this year because of that mileage. Tony is nearly done in the league because his game relied on speed, no answer on the team at PG in the immediate future.Quote:
Originally Posted by bklynspursfan
His penetration used to set up that mid range game in his prime and he would hit that mid range more often, now he can't seem to do either since he lost his speed and lift :( He is pretty much just a decoy out there at times nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8FOR!3
:tu I wouldn't have called him a "beast" because to me that implies a physicality that I wouldn't attach to Tony. In my mind he was a blur, probably the most talented player with that kind of speed that I ever saw. PLUS he was unorthodox - routinely going up for layups off the "wrong" foot, for example - which gave him an inside game that greatly exceeded expectations for a player of his height. Frankly, I don't remember how many guys used the teardrop as a regular part of their game - maybe AI? However I think Tony popularized/legitimized the shot. Tony was super fast and unorthodox. AND his prime coincided with the prime of Manu, who was left-handed AND unorthodox AND had an uncanny knack for getting to the free-throw line. That was a HOF 1-2 punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
There is not a current Spur or FA that will replace Tony. Nor do I see a veteran who is young/skilled enough that I would be willing to meet the (likely) trade demands of his current team. Frankly, the best scenarios are to trade LMA or Pau (LMA's contract is obviously worth more) which is very unlikely, or to trade for a 2nd stringer with untapped talent the Spurs's staff could maximize.
GOD how I miss that floater in the lane too that used to be automatic for a few years :( Damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
Yep. :depressed Seriously, wasn't Tony one of the first to really legitimize the floater and/or the teardrop?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
^Yep. And now he's completely lost it. He's made less than a handful this year. I can only remember two times it went in off the top of my head.
In his prime, Tony was fearless, routinely sacrificing his body on those super-fast, kamikaze drives for lay-ups. Then a little change-of-pace teardrop. Then a little jump-stop-and-pivot floater. In his prime Tony was truly a magician in the paint. Then he evolved into a guy who had a midrange game that didn't make me cringe. And even a decent 3-ball for a couple of seasons. This season he is struggling to find a game that his body will permit him to play and also provides what the team needs. With all of his DNP-injury games it is tough to figure how much his struggles are physical and how much they are due to adjusting. He is clearly not the player he once was, but the team clearly runs more smoothly when Tony is at the helm.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
He did develop the midrange and was very good at it. The corner 3 he is very consistent at too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8FOR!3
The mid range def needs work, and more times than not it seems due to tired legs, but he def did develop into a v3ry good mid range shooter
That we never developed him into a halfway decent shooter? You mean that his lazy ass didn't work hard enough to become one. I guarantee you the Spurs gave Enrique's shooting the same attention they gave to Kawhi's when he came into the league with a broke shot. Difference is Kawhi kept working while Rique was too busy breaking up teammate's families.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8FOR!3
A few players used to hit that tear drop before him like Van Exel comes to him but Tony was so damn efficient at it and the shot was unstoppable when he got in the lane. Far cry from now sadly where that is non existent like Tims bank shot the last few years on end. Tim adjusted his game though in other ways to be effective and Tony has not. Sadly that shot is gone from his arsenal and it was his most effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
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Originally Posted by cd98
Common sense on this forum.
Something that's rare anymore.
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Originally Posted by sasaint
Totally agree.. everybody is talking about trading him and getting rid of him but who replaces him. Patty is turning into a great pg but if you start him who comes of the bench. The bench production will take a hit. The 2 rookie pgs aren't accustomed to the system yet. The best scenario is limit tp's minutes, give him plenty of rest during the regular season and next year go after a younger better pg in free agency.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
This piece really doesn't come up with any mind-boggling new info. The two conclusions they came up with in the end were 1) Tony Parker isn't the player he used to be (well, no shit) and 2) the Spurs need to reduce his touches and minutes (they already have).
Pretty much sums it up. There isn't another player available on the market that can provide what Parker does even with his limitations, and no team is going to give us fair value back in a trade for him unless you include another vital piece (no, Kyle Anderson doesn't count), especially not at the point guard position.Quote:
Originally Posted by el contusione
As for Patty, he just doesn't work the same with starting unit, and we have seen those results plenty so far on this young season. He is a gunner who requires lots of touches and shots to be effective, and he can get those with the bench unit. With the starters, his shots are limited by Kawhi, LMA, and Pau, and he simply isn't good at initiating the offense with those guys. His defensive limitations are also more evident going up against starting point guards. There is a reason that Pop prefers to bring Patty off the bench even when Parker is out.
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Originally Posted by Dex
get him off the team. such a defensive liability.
One of the things that made Tony's forays into the paint so effective for several years was the fact that Duncan (or one of the guys playing Center - after Robinson it was sort of a revolving door) effectively blocked the opposing center/pf from blocking tp's shots. The other thing was that his mid-range really was effective, and that made both his rim shots easier and kept the defenses honest in not just being able to lay back and wait for him to get to the basket for a block.
As Tim's knees buckled and his game had to adjust by moving away from the basket a bit so as not to force the knees into so much weight bearing, Tony had fewer and fewer guys who could or would efectively block out for him. That is when you saw him getting hit (and blocked) more and more frequently in the paint which eventually took its toll on his legs, but it also coincided with the 'loop' play emphasis, which had him running further than any other teammate during most games.
People are right that there is no one who can replace him right now, but I sure liked what I saw from Nico tonight. I think he has the passing and court vision skills to become a terrific pg.
So the answer is yes...the Spurs should move on from Parker, and they are doing that in the very 'Spursian' way of theirs...gradually developing a replacement while keeping the 'corporate knowledge' that Parker has while a new team is being developed.
Final point - Parker is no worse on defense than Patty or Nico, and as so many have pointed out - he has a ton more miles on his legs.