Spurs are better off just trading Mills at the deadline for a late 1st rounder to a delusional playoff team that has high hopes.
Mills isn't a player that will make or break the season, even if Parker is very inconsistent. He's an outlier.
The draft is loaded with a lot of good PG prospects. Having two picks can be used to trade up for a PG they really like (if they have to trade up that is).
I'm one who prefers this scenario, because I think it would be a bad decision to pay him 11-13 mil per. I don't think it's wise to hold on to him until the 1st or 2nd round exit, and then lose him for nothing.
12-09-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by baseline bum
Mills is pulling $12-$15 million a year this offseason, probably closer to $15 million.
I would try to move Pau/Patty for a starting PG & a backup big. The only team that would probably do a straight up trade are the Pacers who are probably trying to shake things up themselves but Teague+Al Jefferson's cancerous contract is not going to move the needle.:lol
At this point, it's Pau/Kyle/Murray for Dragic or bust.:depressed
12-09-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Spurs are better off just trading Mills at the deadline for a late 1st rounder to a delusional playoff team that has high hopes.
Mills isn't a player that will make or break the season, even if Parker is very inconsistent.
The draft is loaded with a lot of good PG prospects. Having two picks can be used to trade up for a PG they really like (if they have to trade up that is).
There is no way PATFO are going to move Patty for draft picks when Porker is out on his feet & Leprosy/Murray are next on the depth chart. That would basically be a tanking move considering Patty has been the second best player on the team.:lol
In any case, I'm pretty sure the Grizz would swap Patty for Wade Baldwin....they might even throw in Deyonta Davis.:lol
12-09-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm
There is no way PATFO are going to move Patty for draft picks when Porker is out on his feet & Leprosy/Murray are next on the depth chart. That would basically be a tanking move considering Patty has been the second best player on the team.:lol
In any case, I'm pretty sure the Grizz would swap Patty for Wade Baldwin.
I actually think Nico is a decent/solid back up PG right now (solid doesn't mean great).. he's the same ilk as Prigioni. Sure Mills is better, but the difference between Mills and Lapro isn't going to change things really. There's more important glaring issues that will keep this teams ceiling as a 2nd round team and Mills/ Lapro have nothing to do with that.
Regarding Mills for Baldwin hypothetical, I'd rather have the Spurs get the pick(s) and hand pick their guys.
12-09-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
I actually think Nico is a back up PG right now.
:pop:"We have to limit our play-calls b/c of all the new guys but you want me to trade my best point guard?":wakeup
12-09-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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:pop:"We have to limit our play-calls b/c of all the new guys but you want me to trade my best point guard?":wakeup
He's not a point guard, he's the the most effective 6'2" and under guard on the roster though and he has an expiring contract coming up in 6 months. He's been known to have great contract yrs and allocating anything north of 9 million for a 5'11" shooter who has elite stamina won't be wise.
Do you squeeze everything thing out of him to maybe get 2 games instead of 1 vs. the Clippers or do you flip him at the deadline for a 1st rounder and a prospect and live with getting 1 win vs. the Clippers with Nico/ Murray as the back up PG options for 6 months?
And if you're really worried about Parkers health, just sign Chalmers or Norris Cole for the minimum for insurance.
12-09-2016
apalisoc_9
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
Who can we possibly get for Mills, Softridge, Kyle, simmons?
I imagine those are the only guys that PATFO is willing to trade that has some sort of value.
12-09-2016
HarlemHeat37
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
Who can we possibly get for Mills, Softridge, Kyle, simmons?
I imagine those are the only guys that PATFO is willing to trade that has some sort of value.
Aldridge, Patty and Simmons for Cousins, Collison and Temple:lol
12-09-2016
spursistan
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
It boils down to this: They won't get back to contention without making another (probably more) bold move..they haven't done so since trading G. Hill for what became Kawhi Leonard....
You are going to bite the bullet in some way..I may understand they can't do it for Manu/TP, but there is no reason to not explore it for the rest of roster beginning from next trade deadline..
12-09-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
Who can we possibly get for Mills, Softridge, Kyle, simmons?
I imagine those are the only guys that PATFO is willing to trade that has some sort of value.
As much as I love Danny, I'd throw him in there as well.
He's been great in his role as a Spur since 2012 and still is very good, but he peaked 2 years ago and is heading on the wrong side of 30 soon ( it's downhill from here).
I think they have to start thinking about possibly putting him out there to see what they can possibly get in return.
12-09-2016
bklynspursfan
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
As much as I love Danny, I'd throw him in there as well.
He's been great in his role as a Spur since 2012 and still is very good, but he peaked 2 years ago and is heading on the wrong side of 30 soon ( it's downhill from here).
I think they have to start thinking about possibly putting him out there to see what they can possibly get in return.
If Simmons could hit the 3, I think it'd make the decision for that a bit easier.
I do wonder if they feel committed to him, he did kind of give a discount to re-sign.
12-09-2016
dabom
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
Trade your second best player. :lmao
12-09-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
Got to love the idiots who provide nothing but smileys to the discussion.
Keep raising the bar.
12-09-2016
dabom
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
"Blow it up" :lmao
Faggots. :lmao
Like it's ever gonna happen but you still talk about it. :lmao
12-09-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Aldridge, Patty and Simmons for Cousins, Collison and Temple:lol
Cousins will NEVER wear a Spurs uniform as long as Pop is around.:wakeup
12-09-2016
Kawhitstorm
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
He's not a point guard, he's the the most effective 6'2" and under guard on the roster though and he has an expiring contract coming up in 6 months. He's been known to have great contract yrs and allocating anything north of 9 million for a 5'11" shooter who has elite stamina won't be wise.
Do you squeeze everything thing out of him to maybe get 2 games instead of 1 vs. the Clippers or do you flip him at the deadline for a 1st rounder and a prospect and live with getting 1 win vs. the Clippers with Nico/ Murray as the back up PG options for 6 months?
And if you're really worried about Parkers health, just sign Chalmers or Norris Cole for the minimum for insurance.
If PATFO were ready to move on & re-tool w/ young guys then they wouldn't have signed 37 year old Pau to keep the ship sailing. It's not like they didn't known Porker/Manu were TOSB.:lol
Tim's retirement would actually have been a credible excuse for breaking it up & rebuilding similar to what the Blazers did when Softridge left town. The past two off-season remind me of '09 (Softridge/Dick Jefferson) & '10 (AARP Pau/McDyess) moves occurred. Softridge is an enigma just like Dick & Pau is TOSB just like McDyess but playing over a younger center (Shitter/Deadman). The current squad is also a fluky 60 win team just like the '10-'11 squad, heavily reliant on one guy (Manu/Kawhi).
Maybe Danny gets moved for a late lotto pick (Terrance Ferguson*Simmons can start*) & Pau retires while under contract ala McDyess after he got roasted by Z-Bo.:lol (Jazz are the modern version of the '11 Grizz & they would be the Spurs 1st rd opponent::wow)
He's not a point guard, he's the the most effective 6'2" and under guard on the roster though and he has an expiring contract coming up in 6 months. He's been known to have great contract yrs and allocating anything north of 9 million for a 5'11" shooter who has elite stamina won't be wise.
Do you squeeze everything thing out of him to maybe get 2 games instead of 1 vs. the Clippers or do you flip him at the deadline for a 1st rounder and a prospect and live with getting 1 win vs. the Clippers with Nico/ Murray as the back up PG options for 6 months?
And if you're really worried about Parkers health, just sign Chalmers or Norris Cole for the minimum for insurance.
Think the trade Patty ship has sailed. Said that the Spurs should have moved him for a second 1st rounder or two high seconds but they didn't.
I would much rather keep him now given how well he's played. I don't know if Murray will be a top 10 rotation player until year 3 and Mills give the Spurs options until then.
12-09-2016
FkLA
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
Mills wants to be a starter. For as good of a teammate as he has been, that really surprised me. He didn't mince words and was pretty direct about starting being really high on the priority list.
I don't want Mills as a starter.
Sitting behind a player that has been absolute garbage for the majority of the last 3 years can be tiring. Even for a team-first guy like Paddy. Must be frustrating as hell to know that playing time isn't determined by who performs better.
12-09-2016
FkLA
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Spurs are better off just trading Mills at the deadline for a late 1st rounder to a delusional playoff team that has high hopes.
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Mills isn't a player that will make or break the season, even if Parker is very inconsistent. He's an outlier.
The draft is loaded with a lot of good PG prospects. Having two picks can be used to trade up for a PG they really like (if they have to trade up that is).
I'm one who prefers this scenario, because I think it would be a bad decision to pay him 11-13 mil per. I don't think it's wise to hold on to him until the 1st or 2nd round exit, and then lose him for nothing.
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
As much as I love Danny, I'd throw him in there as well.
He's been great in his role as a Spur since 2012 and still is very good, but he peaked 2 years ago and is heading on the wrong side of 30 soon ( it's downhill from here).
I think they have to start thinking about possibly putting him out there to see what they can possibly get in return.
You are always looking to trade everybody, brah. The Spurs would be Kawhi+14 new players by mid-season if you were the GM. :lol
12-09-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by FkLA
You are always looking to trade everybody, brah. The Spurs would be Kawhi+14 new players by mid-season if you were the GM. :lol
Just because I think everyone but Kawhi should be on the table doesn't mean I'm saying everyone needs to be traded. There's a difference in the two. If you can't comprehend that perhaps you should read more.
12-09-2016
MaNu4Tres
Re: Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?
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Originally Posted by cd021
Think the trade Patty ship has sailed. Said that the Spurs should have moved him for a second 1st rounder or two high seconds but they didn't.
I would much rather keep him now given how well he's played. I don't know if Murray will be a top 10 rotation player until year 3 and Mills give the Spurs options until then.
It may have sailed. We don't know that yet. But I'm allowed to convey my opinion on the matter and I think they should look into it at the deadline.
The thing is, they may have tried this off-season, but we don't know that. There's a lot of times teams try to accomplish certain moves and are unable to because no team is willing to accept a trade the Spurs are proposing. Just because nothing happens, doesn't mean they didn't make any offers or didn't try. The same thing applies at the deadline, they could be trying to make certain moves but end up holding off because the other team isn't willing to give up what the Spurs prefer.
That's why I find it hilarious when idiots on this site think Spurs aren't trying to do anything because no results or trades are happening. It takes two teams to really like a deal for it to materialize, its very hard to accomplish -- especially in todays NBA when GMs are smarter.
