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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Kawhitstorm
:lmao
You caught the joke!
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
lol we trade mills, we'll never reach playoff again..for a very long time.
How could you even suggest of trading mills...smh
Best Spur... he is as valuable as KL is
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
imo our worst contributors so far are Parker and Gasol. Current Gasol is easily replaced by Lee on offense or Dedmon on defense (depending on matchups). Parker can't be traded though he still can give his one B-grade game out of three played when he is healthy. we r missing athleticism when Gasol is on the floor, just like previous OKC series...my summer dream was not to waste much money on offensively mega skilled vet but try to get an athletic big man. I thought the bucks could agree on trading Monroe+MCW...when I watched last game vs Bucks I realized Monroe is not athletic and LMA is bigger (haters would call fatter) than Monroe to say nothing about his offense. I felt very sorry we couldn't offer anyone for Ibaka. Whiteside was not available. Cousins is and will always be a cry baby. We missed Biyombo and Howard trying to get Durant. I thought we could steal Pekovic but he became a traumatic...so we are not trading anyone until next summer...it's the Spurs Family even without jumping to get defensive rebounds. and I am sure we can get Ibaka from Magic with Payton would be a pleasant bonus)))
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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San Antonio Slayer
imo our worst contributors so far are Parker and Gasol.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
The truth is the only trade i see "possible" is if the FO decides to bring in Hill, they could send Patty, Kyle and Simmons to Utah for him.
I see it very unlikely and risky for the Spurs as they will be very thin at the guards spot. But in truth George can replace Manu as a SG and Tony as PG, and fill for the minutes of all Patty, Simmons and Kyle.
Forbes could get into the rotation and call up a player from Austin.
Utah gets a good player to pair up with Hayward and two "development" guys.
Both Utah and San Antonio risk the fact of the key players in the trade entering free agency.
Hill can move up to "2nd unit" general after Manu retires and to starter after Tony does so.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Originally Posted by
San Antonio Slayer
imo our worst contributors so far are Parker and Gasol. Current Gasol is easily replaced by Lee on offense or Dedmon on defense (depending on matchups). Parker can't be traded though he still can give his one B-grade game out of three played when he is healthy. we r missing athleticism when Gasol is on the floor, just like previous OKC series...my summer dream was not to waste much money on offensively mega skilled vet but try to get an athletic big man. I thought the bucks could agree on trading Monroe+MCW...when I watched last game vs Bucks I realized Monroe is not athletic and LMA is bigger (haters would call fatter) than Monroe to say nothing about his offense. I felt very sorry we couldn't offer anyone for Ibaka. Whiteside was not available. Cousins is and will always be a cry baby. We missed Biyombo and Howard trying to get Durant. I thought we could steal Pekovic but he became a traumatic...so we are not trading anyone until next summer...it's the Spurs Family even without jumping to get defensive rebounds. and I am sure we can get Ibaka from Magic with Payton would be a pleasant bonus)))
You got that right and the stats back it up too.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Originally Posted by
kaji157
The truth is the only trade i see "possible" is if the FO decides to bring in Hill, they could send Patty, Kyle and Simmons to Utah for him.
I see it very unlikely and risky for the Spurs as they will be very thin at the guards spot. But in truth George can replace Manu as a SG and Tony as PG, and fill for the minutes of all Patty, Simmons and Kyle.
Forbes could get into the rotation and call up a player from Austin.
Utah gets a good player to pair up with Hayward and two "development" guys.
Both Utah and San Antonio risk the fact of the key players in the trade entering free agency.
Hill can move up to "2nd unit" general after Manu retires and to starter after Tony does so.
I like Hill and support a trade to get him, but in reality Utah has made a lot of noise about wanting to retain him and I believe they were discussing an extension. They traded a 1st round draft pick for him and I suspect they are real about their desire to retain him. I just doubt very much Utah would go for this. Jon and Kyle are fillers in there Utah may not even want either. What they lacked was a starting caliber PG which HIll has turned out to be for them. It just doesn't make sense for Jazz at all.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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SAGirl
I like Hill and support a trade to get him, but in reality Utah has made a lot of noise about wanting to retain him and I believe they were discussing an extension. They traded a 1st round draft pick for him and I suspect they are real about their desire to retain him. I just doubt very much Utah would go for this. Jon and Kyle are fillers in there Utah may not even want either. What they lacked was a starting caliber PG which HIll has turned out to be for them. It just doesn't make sense for Jazz at all.
It depends, Patty is younger and more of a shooter/scorer, and can also be considered a "starting caliber" PG.
Hayward is a good creator and would eventually become the main balllhandler. Makes sense to pair him with a shooter.
All in all, what will matter is if they think Patty will be a better investment than George. Championship experience may also be of importance for them, and while Kyle and Simmons are "fillers" they may fill a need for them.
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Dedmon can't even stay on the floor because of foul trouble and all of sudden he is going to be a starter on a championship caliber team??? And who is going to play behind Danny next year when Manu is retired, Forbes? LOL
Fail 0/10
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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alpha_HaZE
Dedmon can't even stay on the floor because of foul trouble and all of sudden he is going to be a starter on a championship caliber team???
If Len/Dedmon give you a COMBINED 36 minutes (one foul per 3 minutes) then you're good. Pop can put Millsap at the 5 & Kawhi at the 4 to close out games similar to what the Duds do w/ Gaymond/Dominos. If they need more size then Lee can play the 4.
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And who is going to play behind Danny next year when Manu is retired, Forbes?
Simmons is ALREADY outplaying Manure & they can pick-up someone like McLemore to play the other wing. :wakeup
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Hawks won't let go of Millsap.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Amuseddaysleeper
Hawks won't let go of Millsap.
They have no choice as Millsap will walkaway from the team at the end of this disappointing season ala Pau/Bulls.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Originally Posted by
Kawhitstorm
If Len/Dedmon give you a COMBINED 36 minutes (one foul per 3 minutes) then you're good. Pop can put Millsap at the 5 & Kawhi at the 4 to close out games similar to what the Duds do w/ Gaymond/Dominos. If they need more size then Lee can play the 4.
Simmons is ALREADY outplaying Manure & they can pick-up someone like McLemore to play the other wing. :wakeup
Simmons, Danny and Kawhi and who else will play? That's an injury waiting to happen, you can't play guys that many minutes.
Regarding Dedmon, What I see is lots and lots of potential. The guy allows us to stay big when teams go small because he can switch that is great. However, he tents to be "jumpy" and that causes him to be out of position often, yes he gets to block shots which makes the team highlights for that game but he also misses rebounds and commits unnecessary fouls.
Spurs are known to stick to the fundamentals and are known for playing defense without fouling. And games that we are fouling (vs Thunderefs for example, yikes) we tent to loose. So again unless we stop fouling, I don't see Dedmon playing any significant minutes in the playoffs. Plus he turns the ball over twice for each assist he dishes. Yikes.
Is the athleticism there? Yes, but basketball is a mental game, and if you keep making mental mistakes during the reg season chances are Pop will not play you in the playoffs.
The good news are that in the last few games Dedmon is "playing within himself" so I hope that at some point he figures it out and plays consistent, but it took Simms some time to figure things out and he is more experienced than Dedmon.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Originally Posted by
Amuseddaysleeper
Hawks won't let go of Millsap.
They were supposedly open to blowing it up going into last season's trade deadline and trading Millsap in the off season had Horford re-signed.
Even if they pick it up some, I think they're going to trade Millsap, at minimum. It makes no sense to risk losing him for nothing or give a massive contract to an aging player, on a team mired in mediocrity and lacking in young talent.
Word is he's who the Raptors have long coveted to fill their gaping hole at power forward. I could see: Millsap and Hardaway Jr. for Sullinger, Ross and Poeltl. The Raptors also have Wright and an extra 1st (Clippers) as expendable assets.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
Spurs got to make a play for Cousins, a Leonard/Cousins duo is perfect to build around and Cousins would be the real replacement for Timmy. Doubt it happens, Spurs will probably keep Aldridge.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Originally Posted by
Chillen
Spurs got to make a play for Cousins, a Leonard/Cousins duo is perfect to build around and Cousins would be the real replacement for Timmy. Doubt it happens, Spurs will probably keep Aldridge.
How this will work ? Spurs got no assets to get player of Cousins level. You can`t trade 5 roles for one All-star.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Mal
How this will work ? Spurs got no assets to get player of Cousins level. You can`t trade 5 roles for one All-star.
It would be a LMA for Cousins swap straight up, but yeah it seems a bit dreamy. Kings would probably want max value in return, LMA is still a good return for Cousins but they might want more and that's where the numbers don't work with these two teams. Just a straight LMA for Cousins swap works in ESPN trade checker.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Chillen
It would be a LMA for Cousins swap straight up, but yeah it seems a bit dreamy. Kings would probably want max value in return, LMA is still a good return for Cousins but they might want more and that's where the numbers don't work with these two teams. Just a straight LMA for Cousins swap works in ESPN trade checker.
LMA is older, signed for 1 year longer than Boogie.
There are teams who would offer much more value for the future. LMA is not in Sacramento future plans, because of age.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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TD 21
They were supposedly open to blowing it up going into last season's trade deadline and trading Millsap in the off season had Horford re-signed.
Even if they pick it up some, I think they're going to trade Millsap, at minimum. It makes no sense to risk losing him for nothing or give a massive contract to an aging player, on a team mired in mediocrity and lacking in young talent.
Word is he's who the Raptors have long coveted to fill their gaping hole at power forward. I could see: Millsap and Hardaway Jr. for Sullinger, Ross and Poeltl. The Raptors also have Wright and an extra 1st (Clippers) as expendable assets.
Ah, wasn't aware this is the last year of his deal. Not crazy about his age, but I'd take him in a heartbeat regardless.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
Not saying there will be a trade (in fact I highly doubt it) but one theory going around is teams are waiting on dealing players to see,if there is a new CBA. It makes sense they'd want t know the new rules first.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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Mal
LMA is older, signed for 1 year longer than Boogie.
There are teams who would offer much more value for the future. LMA is not in Sacramento future plans, because of age.
So the only option is Kawhi or the highway and no I wouldn't ever trade Kawhi for Cousins. Sac has been known to make some pretty silly trades before, so if they want Aldridge for Cousins would the Spurs pull the trigger? They might like the fact they can make LMA their star.
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Re: The Holy Trinity: 3 Teams, 3 trade proposals, 3 players
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alpha_HaZE
Simmons, Danny and Kawhi and who else will play? That's an injury waiting to happen, you can't play guys that many minutes.
Yeah, they are REALLY going to miss Kyle/Murray's contributions in the postseason no less.:rolleyes