Prime Ginobili vs Prime Parker....If you had to choose one for this year's team..

Supposed you had the ability to magically make one of Ginobili and Parker a Player on his prime again..but Only for this year, who would you pick?

Remeber its only for this year so if you choose Parker he would revert back to shitty parker by next year.

We need a creator/penetrator..so either one makes sense.

Prime Ginobili once finished 10th in MVP voting and was a third Team all NBA player.

Parker best year was 5th in MVP voting and A second team All-NBA.

But those things dont matter since its going to be about need and who fits better with DPOY and first teamer Leonard, Aldridge and the rest of the guys.

Go.

No one would pick porker besides porker fans. We all know how Manu in his playoff prime was. :lol

Manu by a landslide.

Oh yea those 16ppg from Prime Manure... :lol

He'd probably foul Wardell on a three when we're up 2 tbh

Prime Parker would be perfect for this team right now.

Minute distribution would be interesting. I think with a Prime Ginobili, we can expect less minutes from Green or Maybe...Pop just decides to play him PG 85% of his minutes which should allw Mills/Green to play more minutes..

Manu would basically be the Main ball-handler and would most likely outscore Aldridge and become the second most in PPG...but Prime Manu did tend to contribute differently when there are other scorers..so

You need good wings to go at GS, a bunch of them. Manu easily.

MVParker owned Curry in the playoffs already

Prime Manure went toe to toe with RIP Hamilton :lol

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

Prime Parker would be perfect for this team right now.

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Problem is, Prime Porker was a scorer more than anything so teams would just play the spurs defensively the same way. Pack the paint and limit the frontcourt.

Not like Parker can go supernova outside like Manu. But Parker would make for the easiest minite wise adjusment though. They wouldnt even need to change the SL, but mills will play less.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

You need good wings to go at GS, a bunch of them. Manu easily.

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Need a good PG to make Curry work on defense. Unless Pop would play prime Manu strictly at PG he'd take minutes away from Green who is huge against the Dubs. Prime Parker also uses to destroy CP3, which would help the Spurs against the Clips.

prime manu is always appealing because he was an excellent defender, too

Prime Manu was tearing up some of the best defenses ever assembled. :lol

Warrior defense. :lol

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

Need a good PG to make Curry work on defense. Unless Pop would play prime Manu strictly at PG he'd take minutes away from Green who is huge against the Dubs. Prime Parker also uses to destroy CP3, which would help the Spurs against the Clips.

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In my dream scenario Manu plays PG. Prime Parker is still a liability on D against this Warriors teams. Prime Manu, Green and Kawhi could switch anywhere on anyone.

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Problem is, Prime Porker was a scorer more than anything so teams would just play the spurs defensively the same way. Pack the paint and limit the frontcourt.

Not like Parker can go supernova outside like Manu. But Parker would make for the easiest minite wise adjusment though. They wouldnt even need to change the SL, but mills will play less.

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This team right now needs penetrating guards more than ever, and that was MVParker's specialty. His ability to drive opened up shooters which was why LDN was at his best during Parker's prime, so in essence we'd be getting MVParker and LDN at the same time.

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Problem is, Prime Porker was a scorer more than anything so teams would just play the spurs defensively the same way. Pack the paint and limit the frontcourt.

Not like Parker can go supernova outside like Manu. But Parker would make for the easiest minite wise adjusment though. They wouldnt even need to change the SL, but mills will play less.

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The best APG Manure ever had in the playoffs was 6.0 (and 3.0TO)

Not exactly Nash in his prime.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

In my dream scenario Manu plays PG. Prime Parker is still a liability on D against this Warriors teams. Prime Manu, Green and Kawhi could switch anywhere on anyone.

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Like I said, if prime Manu was guaranteed to play strictly PG I'd prolly want him, but MVParker was a menace and we saw how he thrived in today's NBA.

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

This team right now needs penetrating guards more than ever, and that was MVParker's specialty. His ability to drive opened up shooters which was why LDN was at his best during Parker's prime, so in essence we'd be getting MVParker and LDN at the same time.

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Are you implying prime Manu isn't an elite penetrator as well?

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

This team right now needs penetrating guards more than ever, and that was MVParker's specialty. His ability to drive opened up shooters which was why LDN was at his best during Parker's prime, so in essence we'd be getting MVParker and LDN at the same time.

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Good point

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

This team right now needs penetrating guards more than ever, and that was MVParker's specialty. His ability to drive opened up shooters which was why LDN was at his best during Parker's prime, so in essence we'd be getting MVParker and LDN at the same time.

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I get your point it does sound nice.

But you have to remeber, its for this year specifically. Parker would actually require a major change in the offensive system, He's elite with a legit rollman, while Manu was always better at handling the PnR with a Pick and Pop player.

I do think Parker can potentially turn this team into something much better than Prime Manu...but prime Manu requirs less tinkering with the system..just mlre tinkering with the minutes since he's going to be a ball handling wing.

Better D, better passing, better 3pt shooting, just as good penetrating and finishing skills. To me is a no brainer, tbh.

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Are you implying prime Manu isn't an elite penetrator as well?

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He is and was, but MVParker was superior at finishing in the paint and better at the drive and kick. Prime Manu was a much better PnR and better at creating in general. The biggest thing for me, though, is we've already seen MVParker play with this team and how well he made things work. The minutes redistribution with MVParker would also be marginal at worst since Green/Kawhi/Simmons wouldn't be affected.

We won 2014 while porker was 0-14 or some shit. :lol

He shrunk like a midget in 2013.

Didn't he heroball us out in 2012?

:lol

Tony's prime. :lmao

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He is and was, but MVParker was superior at finishing in the paint and better at the drive and kick. Prime Manu was a much better PnR and better at creating in general. The biggest thing for me, though, is we've already seen MVParker play with this team and how well he made things work. The minutes redistribution with MVParker would also be marginal at worst since Green/Kawhi/Simmons wouldn't be affected.

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With how Mills is playing, Green..simmons, old Manu would actually lose minutes since Pop would be forced to play mills in his natural SG position. Making us virneable defensively.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Are you implying prime Manu isn't an elite penetrator as well?

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Parker is a next level penetrator, just ask the Barry's

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Oh yea those 16ppg from Prime Manure... :lol

He'd probably foul Wardell on a three when we're up 2 tbh

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Prime Porker would jack up more shots than Kawhi and single-handedly lose the series against the Dublets, tbh.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

Parker is a next level penetrator, just ask the Barry's

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:rollin

Parker was lucky Steph curry is made of glass and was playing injured that 2013 series. :lol

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

With how Mills is playing, Green..simmons, old Manu would actually lose minutes since Pop would be forced to play mills in his natural SG position. Making us virneable defensively.

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Without Tim this team is vulnerable defensively regardless. Now if only the options included Prime Timmy :depressed...

He got locked up by thabo. :lol

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Originally Posted by dabom

Parker was lucky Steph curry is made of glass and was playing injured that 2013 series. :lol

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:lol injured my ass. Curry just got shut down by LDN while Kawhi shut down Klay. That was the reason the Spurs took over the series following Game 2.

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Without Tim this team is vulnerable defensively regardless. Now if only the options included Prime Timmy :depressed...

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Its still a top 10 team defensive team...they can really play elite defense specially with Dedmon-Green-Leonard all in the same floor.

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:lol injured my ass. Curry just got shut down by LDN while Kawhi shut down Klay. That was the reason the Spurs took over the series following Game 2.

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He got injured trying to juck danny. I know. :lol

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Its still a top 10 team defensive team...they can really play elite defense specially with Dedmon-Green-Leonard all in the same floor.

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Top 10 on defense is nowhere near enough unless the offense becomes more fluid and unpredictable. If they keep with the same offense as last year and this year so far they won't get past the second round (or even the first if they see Houston or Utah).

I'm trying to think of an elite player Ginosebleed outplayed in the playoffs... can't think of one. Only role players come to mind.

MVParker otoh has an impressive resume in the golden age of PG's..

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I'm trying to think of an elite player Ginosebleed outplayed in the playoffs... can't think of one. Only role players come to mind.

MVParker otoh has an impressive resume in the golden age of PG's..

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Getting cucked by a one legged player. :lol

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Getting cucked by a one legged player. :lol

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lol deflecting

answer the first paragraph

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MVParker otoh has an impressive resume in the golden age of PG's..

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Porker's playoff resumé:

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Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo

Might as well have all the data in one place.

http://s5.postimg.org/rey1k3i53/Park...mparisons2.png

Just look at the dropoff in every advanced metric from season(RS) to post-season(PS).

19.0 PER RS
16.9 PER PS

.147 WS/48 RS
.085 WS/48 PS

109 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.550 TS% RS
.515 TS% PS

32.7% Assist Percentage RS
27.7% Assist Percentage PS

1.2 BPM RS
0.2 BPM PS

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This season's choke:

16.2 PER RS
15.1 PER PS

.142 WS/48 RS
.099 WS/48 PS

108 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.546 TS% RS
.499 TS% PS

29.1% Assist Percentage RS
32.8% Assist Percentage PS (wow, he actually improved at something in the playoffs for once!)

0.1 BPM RS
-0.5 BPM PS

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Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo

I've covered all this before. Absolute numbers distort relative impact. How about we organize the top 5 assist list by assists per game:

12.3 - Magic
10.1 - Stockon
8.8 - Nash
8.0 - Kidd
5.2 - Parker

:lol Parker's not in the same tier as those guy as a playmaker.

You brought up the top 10 points list. Lets look at the playoff efficiency(true shooting percentage) of all the players on that list(up to Tony) and see how Parker stacks up:

.568 - Jordan
.571 - Kareem
.541 - Kobe
.565 - Shaq
.550 - Duncan
.526 - Malone
.577 - Lebron
.541 - Jerry West
.498 - Havlicek
.551 - Bird
.515 - Parker

Everybody on that list has scored a lot of points in the playoffs on good efficiency. Except for the three bolded players. These three stand out as being considerably less efficient than the others. Malone is a reputed choke artist in the playoffs. His low efficiency reflects that. Parker's another one. Just more proof that these two are the biggest choke artists in post-season history.

How about we compare Parker's .515 TS% to other great PGs past and present:

.595 - Magic
.568 - Stockton
.583 - Nash
.578 - Billups
.577 - Paul
.515 - Parker

Poor Tony isn't even close. Then again, TP never was an elite point guard.

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Addressing the "Big 3" myth:

Spurs won three titles in five years from 2003-2007. Here's the playoff stats for all the Spurs rotation players in that time period:

http://s5.postimg.org/om3v3tvdj/Spurs_03_07.png

Tim and Manu are the only two players with:

20+ PER
6+ BPM
10+ win shares
.200+ WS/48(DRob also qualifies for this but he only played in 2003)

These two guys were dominant - by far the two best players on the team. They were pretty much the Shaq/Kobe of the Spurs. Everybody else was a role player. No idea where the big three nonsense came from. Duncan and Manu were a Big Two back then.

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What a fucking cancer - those percentages come playoff time is nauseating.

2002 playoffs:

4-11 (36%) vs Sonics LOSS
6-18 (33%) vs Sonics LOSS
5-14 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-15 (40%) vs Lakers LOSS

2003 playoffs:

2-13 (15%) vs Suns LOSS
1-8 (12%) vs Lakers LOSS
6-17 (35%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
3-11 (27%) vs Mavs LOSS
1-12 (8%) vs Nets LOSS

2004 playoffs:

4-12 (33%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-18 (38%) vs Lakers LOSS
7-23 (30%) vs Lakers LOSS
4-18 (22%) vs Lakers LOSS

Had to stop after 2004 - too exhausting/depressing looking at all those shitty shooting numbers from Enrique.

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O shit. CN going in raw. :lmao

Meanwhile, Manu's playoff resumé:

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

MVParker owned Curry in the playoffs already

Prime Manure went toe to toe with RIP Hamilton :lol

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:lmao

MVParker is Top 10 all time in NBA history in playoff points.... Top 5 in assists

:worthy: best guard to ever wear a spurs uniform

Parker, because it fills a bigger need, but I don't think either would fully make up for our utter incompetence at the guard position.

The 1, 2 punch of having both prime Parker and Manu at the same time is what made us so good(outside of Tim, obvs).

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Parker, because it fills a bigger need, but I don't think either would fully make up for our utter incompetence at the guard position.

The 1, 2 punch of having both prime Parker and Manu at the same time is what made us so good(outside of Tim, obvs).

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Having one or the other would catapult the Spurs to favorites to win it all tbh. Either would provide a steady 18-20 PPG while creating shot opportunities for themselves/others that this team currently just can not do.

One of Parker or Ginobili would fully make up for whatever Guard need this team has...

Seriously..We're talking about guys that finished top 10 in MVP votings and were legit All-NBA players.

Pop just has to play Parker or Ginobili around 32-33 minutes, nothing silly like 29 or some shit.

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Quite clowning your pants and start licking your wounds from that Cum Newton tongue lashing! Parker has 3,385 points, 1,112 assists and 612 rebounds throughout his playoff career compared to Manu's 2,903 points, 772 assists and 820 rebounds. Do you really expect the smallest guy on the court to be grabbing rebounds?

Tony. PG is a huge need. The team is already stacked with wings (when Kawhi should be playing 40 minutes in the playoffs unless it's a blowout) and a very limited Manu (unless he goes Kirby with his shooting) is good enough for the bench. MVParker meantime can boost your points in the paint to compensate for Softdrige and Gasoft and this team has a lot of good shooters in the SL. LDN would spring back to life and Kawhi would get the chance to be set up for a change on occasion....

If he goes too much hero that's when you go to Kawhi and bring up Mills off the bench.

I just think the hole at PG is so huge right now and the team looks so much better when Tony is playing well, that you'd get more in this current team from MVParker.

You are liable to bang your head UNT style instead if you had prime Manu and still saw washed up Tony playing the PG spot in the playoffs and you know Pop would do it...

I didn't see Manu in his true prime though. That's a loss for me, maybe I'd change my tune if I had.

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Originally Posted by 313

Parker, because it fills a bigger need, but I don't think either would fully make up for our utter incompetence at the guard position.

The 1, 2 punch of having both prime Parker and Manu at the same time is what made us so good(outside of Tim, obvs).

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Quite clowning your pants and start licking your wounds from that Cum Newton tongue lashing! Parker has 3,385 points, 1,112 assists and 612 rebounds throughout his playoff career compared to Manu's 2,903 points, 772 assists and 820 rebounds. Do you really expect the smallest guy on the court to be grabbing rebounds?

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Tony. PG is a huge need. The team is already stacked with wings (when Kawhi should be playing 40 minutes in the playoffs unless it's a blowout) and a very limited Manu (unless he goes Kirby with his shooting) is good enough for the bench. MVParker meantime can boost your points in the paint to compensate for Softdrige and Gasoft and this team has a lot of good shooters in the SL. LDN would spring back to life and Kawhi would get the chance to be set up for a change on occasion....

If he goes too much hero that's when you go to Kawhi and bring up Mills off the bench.

I just think the hole at PG is so huge right now and the team looks so much better when Tony is playing well, that you'd get more in this current team from MVParker.

You are liable to bang your head UNT style instead if you had prime Manu and still saw washed up Tony playing the PG spot in the playoffs and you know Pop would do it...

I didn't see Manu in his true prime though. That's a loss for me, maybe I'd change my tune if I had.

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To tell you the truth either or and I would take it, both would benefit this team majorly right now.

I have a bias, so I voted and I'm not going to badmouth Tony to make my point. If Manu wouldn't be an option, I would certainly take prime Parker, tbh...

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

prime manu is always appealing because he was an excellent defender, too

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Yeah that was my first thought as well

2009 Parker > 2005 Manu

Anyone who picks Tony doesn't know basketball.

No question Tony,far better at running the sets and in his prime unparalleled at finishing at the rim for a pg.Not to mention taking care of the ball and not being foul prone.

Plus Parker never leveraged the team on his pay like Many did this year.Damn Timmy was taking cuts and he was still the best defensive player in the league last year.

Manu should a walked to Philly,that crap would a been what he deserved tbh

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Parker is a next level penetrator, just ask the Barry's

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:lol... was at that game tbh

For this particular team I'd pick Parker for his penetration abilities, that would be deadly with Danny, Kawhi, LMA tbh.... plus he plays more minutes, plus he has less risk to be injured

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Anyone who picks Tony doesn't know basketball.

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MVParker would fit like a glove TBH

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Originally Posted by Robz4000

:lol injured my ass. Curry just got shut down by LDN while Kawhi shut down Klay. That was the reason the Spurs took over the series following Game 2.

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Tiago was important too ... he did not play in game 1

If you put prime manu or prime Parker on this team kawhi will be back on a spot up shooter role tbh....because prime manu/Parker was too ball dominant because of their penetration so it means less touches or ISO for kawhi..

If catfaggot and his alts voted, it might be a close poll. :lol

Having a starting unit led by LMA and Kawhi only to be followed by a duo of prime Manu and Patty would be fire. I wouldn't mind crunch time being Patty/Prime Ginobili/Kawhi/LMA with the fifth spot between Green, Dedmon, Gasol, or Bertans depending on matchups.

2005 Manu was an unstoppable force

Then fucking senile Pop decided Porkeer should have the ball more the following season

What a fucking retarded move

Prime Manu owned Europe, FIBA competitions and was a key player in Spurs titles.

Prime Enrique would freeze out Kawhi. No thanks. Give me prime Manu.

I agree that Prime Parker would not fit well with this starting lineup. Sure, his speed and penetration would be a huge asset, but he would also be taking most of the shots once he got to the basket. Either LMA / Kawhi would see their attempts go down, or Parker would be passing up perfectly good shots and that asset would be wasted.

Prime Ginobili off the bench, though, would probably give us the most dominant bench in the league, and we'd have another go-to closer at the end of tough games.

Neither of them (or Prime Timmay for that matter) are walking through that door, but while some are offering valid points some of this thread is all about player popularity and ST established agendas.

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Tony.

I didn't see Manu in his true prime though.

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no kidding:lol

Tricky choice..Against Warriors I would take prime Ginobili, but against Clippers/Cleveland I would lean to having prime Parker..

LAC becoming a nightmare match up for us has coincided with Tony falloff..Choke-Paul has stopped making appearances against the Spurs mainly because he's been resting on the other end since circa 2014.

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no kidding:lol

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Technically didn't see Parker's either since she hopped on the bandwagon after 2014...

Prime Manu. He was at least as good a PG as Tony, and a better defender. Put prime Manu in the starting PG position, along with Danny, Kawhi, LMA, and Dedmon. In a heartbeat.

There may not be any such thing as a clutch gene, but there sure as hell is such a thing as clutch skill. Five seconds left and the Spurs down by 1? I like prime Manu's chance of getting to the rack and getting a percentage shot as well as just about anyone who ever played. And I'll never forget George Karl claiming that Manu grew his hair long, so that it would fly around when he flopped, and draw more whistles. That's when you know you're in a guy's head.

With Todays NBA a closing unit of Patty-Danny-Manu (in his prime)-Kawhi and either LA (Offense) or Deadmon (Defense) would be a great thing to have.

I do agree that Tony´s skill in his prime were great but don´t fit a team unless you want to make Tony the main scorer.

Prime Ginobili led his team to an Olympic gold against NBA players... first ever to claim that victory...

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Prime Manu. He was at least as good a PG as Tony, and a better defender. Put prime Manu in the starting PG position, along with Danny, Kawhi, LMA, and Dedmon. In a heartbeat.

There may not be any such thing as a clutch gene, but there sure as hell is such a thing as clutch skill. Five seconds left and the Spurs down by 1? I like prime Manu's chance of getting to the rack and getting a percentage shot as well as just about anyone who ever played. And I'll never forget George Karl claiming that Manu grew his hair long, so that it would fly around when he flopped, and draw more whistles. That's when you know you're in a guy's head.

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Prime Manu was the better player (by a hair), but the way this year's team is built prime Parker would be the better fit.

13' Parker until his injury in the finals was a monster
People just don't remember how clutch he was and how many 30 points blowout cost him better stats and to be in the NBA first team + 2nd or 3rd spot in the MVP race

And this team weakness is at the PG spot

But you can't go wrong with Prime Manu either.
I'm not sure he could play PG the whole game like some posters said though

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Tricky choice..Against Warriors I would take prime Ginobili, but against Clippers/Cleveland I would lean to having prime Parker..

LAC becoming a nightmare match up for us has coincided with Tony falloff..Choke-Paul has stopped making appearances against the Spurs mainly because he's been resting on the other end since circa 2014.

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Prime Manu was one of the biggest Clipper killers in the league, regardless of who was on our team.

I like prime Manu more as a player but I actually think Prime Parker is better for this team. I hate how Tony's bad play as made some people forget how incredible he was for a few years, but he was legitimately a top 3 point guard for a 2 or 3 year stretch and was one of the best penetrators in the league.

54-16 TGY LTA?

prime ginobili has a good case for best player ever tbh

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prime ginobili has a good case for best player ever tbh

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I second that. Look at what he did for D.Blair. He made everyone better. This is a very dumb question. Tony could score... thats it. Over the hill Manu stuffs Durant at the rim going for a break away dunk. Ever see Tony do that?

Not to say that after his prime (2005-2007) Manu declined very slowly, being a diference maker as far as the 2011-2012 season (14.4 ppg for the playoffs that year), and had the 2014 Playoffs run also.

Tony on the other hand, declined quite fast, considering everyone here sets his prime between 2010 and 2013, having declined a lot in 3 years.

That means a "prime Manu" gives you almost 7 years of great to good basketball, while "Prime Tony" gives you 4 or 5.

Tough choice. Prime Parker's driving ability would make the SL deadly, a lot of their issues stem from the fact that no one can break down the defense and get wide open shots. But prime Manu would be a top 3 SG in today's NBA and his playmaking off the bench and ability to drive would be invaluable...

toss up tbh

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Not to say that after his prime (2005-2007) Manu declined very slowly, being a diference maker as far as the 2011-2012 season (14.4 ppg for the playoffs that year), and had the 2014 Playoffs run also.

Tony on the other hand, declined quite fast, considering everyone here sets his prime between 2010 and 2013, having declined a lot in 3 years.

That means a "prime Manu" gives you almost 7 years of great to good basketball, while "Prime Tony" gives you 4 or 5.

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disagree...Parker's prime started in 2006 thru 2013 imo, that's 8 years. if we're going by "being a difference maker" as a definition for "prime," Porker definitely was a difference maker for more than 3 years. Manu's prime was 2005-2011 imo

78% Manu
22% TP

:wow

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prime manu is always appealing because he was an excellent defender, too

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You could start Prime Manu with Green and let Green cover the opposing PG's. But have Manu handle the ball on the other end.

actually, I'd rather have Prime Parker so we could trade him away for value before he turns to shit.

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Tough choice. Prime Parker's driving ability would make the SL deadly, a lot of their issues stem from the fact that no one can break down the defense and get wide open shots. But prime Manu would be a top 3 SG in today's NBA and his playmaking off the bench and ability to drive would be invaluable...

toss up tbh

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I think prime manu would be Nº 1 SG today. Harden, Thompson or Butler aren't good as manu was.

That's a tough one! Both great players, don't listen to the haters, they are future hall of famers and if that's not good enough I am not sure what's wrong with you guys.

Anyways, Manu was kobe like good in the last 5min of close games and is one of the best closers the game has even seen. Tony was elite scoring near the basket and did better than most centers! That's unbelievable for a point guard.

My choice would be Manu, simply because he could attack the basket, and create for himself and others at an elite level. Prime Tony might still struggle against CP3 and Steph, at certain nights. But I would take either of them over the current version of themselves we have this year.

You ask Pop and he'll say Manu tbh.

Parker. As great as Manu was, we would still need a PG. Parker in 2007 was a scorer who could get to the basket over and over, and was also an underrated defender. His ability to get in the paint and break down the defense would improve our spacing and get the 3pt shooting open.

If you choose Manu, then he would take a lot of minutes from Green which would diminish the defense. That is why I pick prime Parker for this question, not necessarily the same as who was the best player in their prime- Manu. I rate Manu higher in peak value and Parker higher in career value.

Manu's prime wasn't even on 2005. Manu's prime was wasted by getting late to the NBA, tbh.

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Tough choice. Prime Parker's driving ability would make the SL deadly, a lot of their issues stem from the fact that no one can break down the defense and get wide open shots. But prime Manu would be a top 3 SG in today's NBA and his playmaking off the bench and ability to drive would be invaluable...

toss up tbh

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Prime Manu would easily be the best SG in today's NBA, tbh.

Tony Parker

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Originally Posted by Raven

prime ginobili has a good case for best player ever tbh

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Originally Posted by BSfromTX

I second that.

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Originally Posted by daledondale

I think prime manu would be Nº 1 SG today. Harden, Thompson or Butler aren't good as manu was.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Prime Manu would easily be the best SG in today's NBA, tbh.

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When harden is at least top 3 in the MVP race...

You all have a good case for best homer ever tbh

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Originally Posted by eric365

When harden is at least top 3 in the MVP race...

You all have a good case for best homer ever tbh

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Or maybe you are a faggot. Manu was a better playmaker and defender than Harden, if you don't see that, maybe you didn't saw Manu play.

Damn

77% vs 23% :wow