Prime Ginobili vs Prime Parker....If you had to choose one for this year's team..

Porker Pumpers getting BTFO ITT. Losing the poll by a landslide and losing every argument by a landslide.

Prime Parker was great, Prime Manu was a Force of Nature. Ask Phoenix. Ask George Karl. Ask Detroit. Ask his hair, that he used to have.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

Porker Pumpers getting BTFO ITT. Losing the poll by a landslide and losing every argument by a landslide.

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That's why the 3-5 porker stans try to flood the comments. :lol

Prime Manu, when called upon, was like a tsunami going against little, green toy soldiers.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

Porker Pumpers getting BTFO ITT. Losing the poll by a landslide and losing every argument by a landslide.

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Putting a Parker vs Ginobili poll in an Argentine ran website and expecting it to be close, is like you and your Chinese country men trying to say the letter L. It ain't going to happen.
lefty can confirm

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Putting a Parker vs Ginobili poll in an Argentine ran website and expecting it to be close, is like you and your Chinese country men trying to say the letter L. It ain't going to happen.
lefty can confirm

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:lmao Anti-Porker threads get deleted all the time, but Manu was allowed to be bashed nonstop for a solid year after 6 with no retailation from the mods.

But yeah, there's a vast conspiracy to keep the Porker stans down. Get real.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Putting a Parker vs Ginobili poll in an Argentine ran website and expecting it to be close, is like you and your Chinese country men trying to say the letter L. It ain't going to happen.
lefty can confirm

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:lol

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Because the Spurs had one Timothy Theodore Duncan, Bruce Bowen and to a lesser degree Manu Ginobili... with those three, Parker's defense just needed to be above average to not be a team sinking liability. A Prime Parker on this team, would be a liability.

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So in the SL we now have two capable wing defenders(Kawhi/Danny) instead of one with Bruce. So with a non TOSB Parker I think our wing defense would suffice. I do admit Manu has always been the better defender, due to size, reflexes, and instincts. However, Prime Manu isn't so great on defense that it makes up for the other reasons I went with Parker(see ^ my El Nono quote]. Plus, whether we have Parker or Manu, Pau and Aldridge can't anchor the defense like Tim, which is the biggest issue.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Prime Ginobili was a quintessential slasher... the fact that you keep denying this simple truth is disingenuous.

Yes. I agree Parker was an amazing, if not a better slasher than Prime Ginobili... but Prime Manu gives you some of that slashing capability and then more.

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Manu was one of the craftiest, and entertaining slashers of the 2000s, I wouldn't deny that.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Your point was to suggest that Manu would have to be relegated to the bench, and that the current Spurs team doesn't have a need at the bench. Which is why in the context of your own self imposed constraint you ended up picking Parker. You don't see the circular logic...?

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If you put Prime Manu in the SL at PG, you move TOSB Porky to the bench. I just don't feel that works as well as having Prime Parker, and keeping the cohesion of the current bench.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Manu was a bench player not because he was inferior in any way form or fashion, but because it strategically made our team that much more superior during the entire 48 minute stretch. It balanced out our attack and for years, the Spurs were the model team - Ginobili's sacrifice being a big part of that.

My examples then showed that Prime Ginobili did have the gravitas to LEAD, because the floor general mantle was already thrust upon him (appointed by Pop himself) - as he was the DEFACTO closer.




Again, none of this shows that A) Ginobili couldn't have been a capable starter. B) a capable PG

The very same reasons you listed while suggesting Parker was the obvious choice.

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I'll concede that if I said Manu couldn't be a capable starter, or PG, I went too far. He's always been a more gifted passer, and had better court vision than Parker. Prime Parker wasn't as bad a distributor as advertised, though.

This is obviously a Manu vs Parker bait thread, but I think both were great...both had their flaws. I just think Parker fits better schematically.

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Originally Posted by 313

He sure was unstoppable in 2004, and 2006..and 2009.. But choking aside, he was great as a situational closer. Him running point on this team, however, would mean we would have to move Porky to backup PG, and mills to backup SG, which would give us a bench unit of Porky, Mills, Simmons(Anderson instead to add length?), Lee, Dedmon? We would get destroyed defensively. Taking prime Parker just works better.

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This isn't the '13-'14 Spurs, tbh... this is a top heavy team that will go as far as the starting unit takes them...

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Originally Posted by 313

:lol at people who can't read

"but Only for this year, who would you pick?"

It doesn't matter who had the longer prime(Parker fwiw)

2009 Parker would turn our starting line up into world beaters, while even with TOSB Manu, our bench is still pretty good with prime Patty leading the way. Easy title favorites.

Meanwhile if you put prime Manu on this team, he would just make our already good bench, better, but our starting lineup would still struggle with TOSB Porker, TOSB Pau, and Fatass LMA.

Putting prime manu in the starting line up wouldn't work, nevermind the chemistry issues. Imagine trotting out Patty and TOSB Parker off the bench :lol Would give up 40 ppg to opposing benches.

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Worst post ever

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Originally Posted by eric365

When harden is at least top 3 in the MVP race...

You all have a good case for best homer ever tbh

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Harden being the undisputed best SG in the league is exactly why smart folks know that Manu in his prime would be the best SG in the league right now. Harden is a diluted version of Manu with the chance of statpadding, tbh.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Harden being the undisputed best SG in the league is exactly why smart folks know that Manu in his prime would be the best SG in the league right now. Harden is a diluted version of Manu with the chance of statpadding, tbh.

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Not to mention the SG position is very diluted right now... it's Harden, and maybe... DeRozan as standouts? Back then you had teams building around SGs, like Kobe with the Lakers, Ray Allen in Seattle, Wade in Miami... just tough competition all around in that position...

Prime Parker outplayed Lebron, Curry, Nash, CP3, Westbrook, etc in the playoffs. Prime Manu outplayed Joe Johnson and Rip Hamilton.

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Originally Posted by SASdynasty!

Prime Parker outplayed Lebron, Curry, Nash, CP3, Westbrook, etc in the playoffs. Prime Manu outplayed Joe Johnson and Rip Hamilton.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

:lmao

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:lol

I'd easily take a prime Manu.

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Originally Posted by 313

//-- Best assist per game seasons (*per 36*)
Parker:
2012 - 7.7(8.7) - 32 mpg;
2013 - 7.6(8.3) - 32 mpg;
2009 - 6.9(7.3) - 34 mpg;

Manu:
2011 - 4.9(5.8) - 30 mpg;
2010 - 4.9(6.2) - 29 mpg;
2013 - 4.6(7.1) - 23 mpg;
2014 - 4.3(6.8) - 23 mpg;

//-- Best Points Per Game seasons (*per 36*)
Parker:
2009 - 22(23.2) - 50% - 32 mpg;
2013 - 20.3(22.2) - 52% - 32 mpg;
2006 - 18.9(20.6) - 54% - 33.9 mpg;

Manu:
2008 - 19.5(22.6) - 46% - 31 mpg;
2011 - 17.4(20.7) - 43% - 30 mpg;
2010 - 16.5(20.7) - 44% - 28 mpg;

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That LeBron efficiency by Tony :wow
LeBron career FG%: 49.8%
Tony career FG%: 49.4%

:worthy: second best Spur ever

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you arent taking into account role, defense, versatility..

split as starter, career

manu 16.5 pts, 4.2 reb, 4.3 ast
tony 16.5 pts, 2.9 reb, 5.9 ast

split as reserve, career

manu 12.3 pts, 3.4 reb, 3.7 ast
tony 11.0 pts, 2.2 reb, 4.2 ast

career 3PAr, FTr, TS%, PER

manu .390 3PAr, .409 FTr, .585 TS, 20.8 PER
tony .101 3PAr, .291 FTr, .550 TS, 18.7 PER

career DWS, DBPM, Stl/36, Blk/36

manu 44.1 DWS, 1.3 DBPM, 1.9 Stl/36, 0.4 Blk/36
tony 42.7 DWS, -0.8 DBPM, 1.0 Stl/36, 0.1 Blk/36

and thats with manu's stats taking a plunge in old age. tony's will only go down from here on out.

lebron is in a different stratosphere than either, but since you want to compare him:

.204 3PAr, .422 FTr, .582 TS, 27.6 PER, 59.5 DWS, 1.9 DBPM

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He sure was unstoppable in 2004, and 2006..and 2009.. But choking aside, he was great as a situational closer.

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2004 per 36:
manu 16.7 pts, 6.8 reb, 4.0 ast, 2.2 stl, .447 FG
tony 17.2 pts, 2.0 reb, 6.5 ast, 1.2 stl, .429 FG

2006 per 36
manu 20.2 pts, 5.0 reb, 3.32 ast, 1.6 stl, .484 FG
tony 19.9 pts, 3.6 reb, 3.8 ast, 1 stl, .460 FG

of course, 2009 manu didnt play because of injury, which shows how low you have to go. since you posted their best RS years, ill put their unanimous best playoff runs head to head, per 36 for the sake of consistency:

manu 2005 22.3 pts, 6.2 reb, 4.5 ast, 1.3 stl, .507 FG (8.6 FTA /36)
tony 2013 20.3 pts, 3.2 reb, 6.9 ast, 1.1 stl, .458 FG (5.3 FTA /36)

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If you put Prime Manu in the SL at PG, you move TOSB Porky to the bench. I just don't feel that works as well as having Prime Parker, and keeping the cohesion of the current bench.

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yeah that was my first thought, and even now its hard to imagine parker accepting coming off the bench.

I picked Ginobili because it IS a subjective call, and all stats aside, I think Ginobili has the best court vision, passing ability and Bball IQ on the team. (especially since Duncan (bball IQ) and Boris Diaw(passing ability) are not on this year's team.

I happen to like both players, and I don't like being asked to choose. In terms of the importance of the role being played, it would likely be Parker, but in terms of who I would like to watch more, it would be Manu.

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Originally Posted by SASdynasty!

Prime Parker outplayed Lebron, Curry, Nash, CP3, Westbrook, etc in the playoffs. Prime Manu outplayed Joe Johnson and Rip Hamilton.

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:lmao:lmao:lmao

You could always count on tony to not show up when it counts...many 100%

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Originally Posted by SASdynasty!

Prime Parker outplayed Lebron, Curry, Nash, CP3, Westbrook, etc in the playoffs.

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And Jordan, Magic, Bird, Isiah, etc.

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

You could always count on tony to not show up when it counts...many 100%

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http://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/...ili-stands-out

It quantifies what we all could "see," despite the usage rate... Manu on the court made for a better oiled machine.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

The worst part is that this team needs a boost in the arm when it comes to defense...

Two of the biggest defensive deficiencies RIGHT NOW (and cause for the Spurs' slow starts) are Parker and Gasol.

In the context of the OP question - Prime Parker replacing his current self doesn't really address that issue... Prime Ginobili replacing Parker OTOH is a huge upgrade on that side of the ball...

Prime Ginobili was swatting Durant and Wade on breakaway dunk attempts... swatting KG and Brad Miller at the rim... swatting Kobe and Paul Pierce from behind on step-through shot attempts... Ginobili was picking the pockets of some of the best ball-handlers of his era (Iverson, Kidd, Nash) and getting steals in the clutchest of moments... Ginobili was a one-man-wrecking crew... TBH his eye-to-hand coordination is freakishly the stuff of legend.

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Old Ginobili now swatting Harden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uoGnzDLDAU