Prime Ginobili vs Prime Parker....If you had to choose one for this year's team..

Manu with 46 points against Lebron!

Case closed.

Hahahahaha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6dr...p;spfreload=10

Such great arguments for both since their primes were very extraordinary primes. However I voted for Manu simply because while Parker had greatness, Manu had genius.

Considered how he could be used as Harden on this team or off Kawhi, Manu would be the best option.
Also can cover more positions than Tony and is a threat from 3 which prime Parker wasn't.
Also a great Ft shooter which is important these days.

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Originally Posted by cutewizard

Manu with 46 points against Lebron!

Case closed.

Hahahahaha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6drdXtuXQ8&spfreload=10

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The funny thing about that game (in relation to this topic) was Parker didn't play. It was against LeBron's reigning Eastern Conference Champs. Manu was the leader, the playmaker, the closer, and was clutch as hell. This game is considered one of the most efficient games of all time. Manu scored 46 points on 15 shot attempts.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Harden being the undisputed best SG in the league is exactly why smart folks know that Manu in his prime would be the best SG in the league right now. Harden is a diluted version of Manu with the chance of statpadding, tbh.

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This statement will always remain true, tbh.

Lmfao prime Manu wasn't even close to this Harden, tbh.

Player fans see euro steps and turnovers, and they automatically think they would be the same in their primes Lmfao.....

Ginobili from ages 25-27 PER-36:
16.5ppg, 5.1rpg, 4.4apg, 2.6TO, 57.0TS%, 19.0PER, 24.3WS, 5.2BPM

Harden from ages 25-27:
28.5ppg, 6.6rpg, 8.5apg, 4.8TO, 60.5TS%, 26.4PER, 44.7WS, 8.4BPM

Keep in mind Harden did this against starting units and with teams focusing on stopping him

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Lmfao prime Manu wasn't even close to this Harden, tbh.

I do believe he would match him in turnovers though.....

Ginobili from ages 25-27 PER-36:
16.5ppg, 5.1rpg, 4.4apg, 2.6TO, 57.0TS%, 19.0PER, 24.3WS, 5.2BPM

Harden from ages 25-27:
28.5ppg, 6.6rpg, 8.5apg, 4.8TO, 60.5TS%, 26.4PER, 44.7WS, 8.4BPM

Keep in mind Harden did this against starting units and with teams focusing on stopping him

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Why are you comparing stats as if they played the same role and on the same sytem and era?

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Lmfao prime Manu wasn't even close to this Harden, tbh.

Player fans see euro steps and turnovers, and they automatically think they would be the same in their primes Lmfao.....

Ginobili from ages 25-27 PER-36:
16.5ppg, 5.1rpg, 4.4apg, 2.6TO, 57.0TS%, 19.0PER, 24.3WS, 5.2BPM

Harden from ages 25-27:
28.5ppg, 6.6rpg, 8.5apg, 4.8TO, 60.5TS%, 26.4PER, 44.7WS, 8.4BPM

Keep in mind Harden did this against starting units and with teams focusing on stopping him

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These are his starting stats? What were his stats when he was a sixth man? That would be a better comparison.

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Originally Posted by Crazymaddopeyo

These are his starting stats? What were his stats when he was a sixth man? That would be a better comparison.

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Ginobili as a starter (349 games, 30.1MP):
16.5ppg, 4.2rpg, 4.3apg, 45.3FG%

Ginobili as a 6th man (643 games, 23.4MP):
12.0ppg, 3.3rpg, 3.6apg, 44.2FG%

Harden as a starter (402 games, 37.5MP):
27.1ppg, 5.9rpg, 7.5apg, 44.1FG%

Harden as a 6th man (213 games, 26.4MP):
12.7ppg, 3.4rpg, 2.4apg, 44.6FG%

Harden was a 20-22yr old kid when he was a 6th man. Ginobili was a grown ass man.

If only haren could play like manu as sixth man, they probably pay the man to stay in OKC and he would have a ring already. :lmao

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Why are you comparing stats as if they played the same role and on the same sytem and era?

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Sorry the stats don't favor your boy :cry

You have no problems throwing stats out there when it favors your boy Messi. Then when they favor a Ronaldo they don't matter anymore, winning does LMFAO. Also, :lol I forgot how elite Mchale and Bickerstaff's systems were.....

Truth is stats don't matter to Ginobili player fans because Parker (and many many many other players) have superior numbers. It's all about :cry heart :cry and :cry ball diving :cry

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Sorry the stats don't favor your boy :cry

You have no problems throwing stats out there when it favors your boy Messi. Also, :lol I forgot how elite Mchale and Bickerstaff's systems were.....

Truth is stats don't matter to Ginobili player fans because Parker (and many many many other players) have superior numbers. It's all about :cry heart :cry and :cry ball diving :cry

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and who's your boy at soccer?

People prefer Manu, get over it, this is not a competition.

It was never a competition. Latinos will stick with Latinos, like in boxing. Real fans know HOTS was and will always be better. End of discussion. Not wasting anymore of my time discussing the obvious (which numbers prove)

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Sorry the stats don't favor your boy :cry

You have no problems throwing stats out there when it favors your boy Messi. Then when they favor a Ronaldo they don't matter anymore, winning does LMFAO. Also, :lol I forgot how elite Mchale and Bickerstaff's systems were.....

Truth is stats don't matter to Ginobili player fans because Parker (and many many many other players) have superior numbers. It's all about :cry heart :cry and :cry ball diving :cry

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Son, I'm all in favour of stats, but in context. What's the point of comparing stats of players with different roles, different eras, and different systems. If I want I can come up with trully advanced stats that show that Ginobili is on par with any player of the last decade, tbh.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

It was never a competition. Latinos will stick with Latinos, like in boxing. Real fans know HOTS was and will always be better. End of discussion. Not wasting anymore of my time discussing the obvious (which numbers prove)

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Originally Posted by hemann82

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Originally Posted by DAF86

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Son, I'm all in favour of stats, but in context. What's the point of comparing stats of players with different roles, different eras, and different systems. If I want I can come up with trully advanced stats that show that Ginobili is on par with any player of the last decade, tbh.

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:lol

Fan polls are about fans, not players.

Prime Parker was the real HOTS and Manu came off the bench. While it's important to have a great bench, Tony would destroy Houston's weak interior defense in his prime. Manu would do fine as well, but no better than Harden is doing getting to the rim. I'd rather have a PG who pushes the ball in transition and scores 1 on 3 with ease than a crafty player who is prone to committing idiotic fouls in the heat of battle because he just has to do something.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Fan polls are about fans, not players.

Prime Parker was the real HOTS and Manu came off the bench. While it's important to have a great bench, Tony would destroy Houston's weak interior defense in his prime. Manu would do fine as well, but no better than Harden is doing getting to the rim. I'd rather have a PG who pushes the ball in transition and scores 1 on 3 with ease than a crafty player who is prone to committing idiotic fouls in the heat of battle because he just has to do something.

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Another one for the book. :lol

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Another one for the book. :lol

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:cry countryman

When you can't counter stats and facts. Throw some memes, gifs, and emojis in there.

You want facts and stats? Here goes:

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Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo

Addressing the "Big 3" myth:

Spurs won three titles in five years from 2003-2007. Here's the playoff stats for all the Spurs rotation players in that time period:

http://s5.postimg.org/om3v3tvdj/Spurs_03_07.png

Tim and Manu are the only two players with:

20+ PER
6+ BPM
10+ win shares
.200+ WS/48(DRob also qualifies for this but he only played in 2003)

These two guys were dominant - by far the two best players on the team. They were pretty much the Shaq/Kobe of the Spurs. Everybody else was a role player. No idea where the big three nonsense came from. Duncan and Manu were a Big Two back then.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Lmfao prime Manu wasn't even close to this Harden, tbh.

Player fans see euro steps and turnovers, and they automatically think they would be the same in their primes Lmfao.....

Ginobili from ages 25-27 PER-36:
16.5ppg, 5.1rpg, 4.4apg, 2.6TO, 57.0TS%, 19.0PER, 24.3WS, 5.2BPM

Harden from ages 25-27:
28.5ppg, 6.6rpg, 8.5apg, 4.8TO, 60.5TS%, 26.4PER, 44.7WS, 8.4BPM

Keep in mind Harden did this against starting units and with teams focusing on stopping him

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You are as dishonest as you are disingenuous... Manu's Rookie Year was when he was 25. So you are basically taking Manu's stats from his first three years in the league and comparing it to Harden's 6th, 7th and 8th seasons respectively - as if that didn't matter at all. Statistically, one of Manu's best years of his career was when he was 28 (which was beyond the limit of your criteria).

Then you are always complaining about Manu's turnovers and yet you willfully chose to ignore this category in your comparison. In the age span you chose (given Harden's current age), Manu's PER-36 turnover rate is 2.63 TOV/game - Harden's PER-36 turnover rate is 4.63 TOV/game. But Ginobili actually gives you something on D, his PER-36 steals rate is 2.20 STL/game - Harden's is 1.67 STL/game. In 8 seasons Harden's DRtg has never been below 103. In 15 seasons Ginobili's DRtg has only been above 103 three times. Manu's career NET rating (ORtg - DRtg) is 13 - Harden's is 11.

Harden's recent numbers explosion comes from having the reigns in D'Antoni's 7-seconds or less offense. We never saw prime Manu in such a system but I could assure you that his numbers would be even better than under the plodding pace of Pop's system during those years.