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Djohn first log in since Kawhi took Harden to the woodshed in the fourth Q of Spurs-Rox game :lol
I thought you had died son. Good to know you are OK, tbh. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Who has a bigger burden to carry? It ain't Kawhi. I would give it to Westbrook over him.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
One game.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Actually 65 games that have Kawhi, the best defensive and offensive player (and only all-star) of his team, only half a game behind the Warriors for the best record in the entire league, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Prentending like his team and the system are trash. Kawhi does not have the burden of Harden, Westbrook or LeBron.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
The Spurs guard rotation is the rotation of guards that provides the least amount of pts in the entire NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Kawhi has no reliable SF backup on the entire roster and no reliable second scorer.
I don't know if you want to call it trash or what, but that's pretty bad, tbh.
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
Seriously though, glad he didn't hang himself after what Kawhi did to his hero, tbh.
:lmao:lmao:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Harden is legit, Russ is legit, Kl all are legit candidates...
And of course LeBron ...a case can be made for any of them not sure why Spur fan has to shit on the other great seasons, to prop up Leonard. If he wins i will be happy for him he has worked so hard to improve his offense he would be a fine choice as would a ny of the guys I mentioned ...
LeBron has had a average season by his standards and i dont think he should win, but if he won i wouldn't give a fuck its a media award anyways
Outside a few trolls, most Spurfans are just giving their opinions about why Kawhi should win it, not shitting on other candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killakobe81
Saying the whole triple double thing, although still great, is a bit overrated is not shitting on other players' great seasons, imho.
:lol CN thinking giannis is a better candidate than harden
The best two way player in the game leading his team to the best record should be a sure thing MVP. But the media will probably beat off to Russ's triple doubles, tbh.
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Originally Posted by StrengthAndHonor
It's retarded that LeBron won't win an MVP again. That Cavs team goes from #3 to #28 without him.
You can rest in the east. Can't do that in the West. He will get one again.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexJones
Under that reasoning he should have won MVP non-stop for the past decade or so, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexJones
And there's nothing wrong with that...Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
There would be nothing wrong with that if that would have been the criteria used from the start but, since it wasn't, it's kind of unfair to change it now, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrengthAndHonor
I think Leonard's chances suffered significantly with this injury. After the Houston game, he had a lot of attention and a lot of eyes on him. Then had a subpar game vs OKC and got hurt. Then the epic GSW game that didn't happen.
And in the meantime, Russ and Hardin have had some monster games.
Speaking about "Harden burden"..Yeah, we now he is mailing it in playing on the other end, which happens to be half battle of game of basketball :lol..
An embarrassing defender..
If he plays from now on 'till the end of the season, and the Spurs finish with the 1st seed, he should get it, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursforSix
Can someone tell me: does Djohn2008 actually believe "Harden > Kawhi"? :lmao
I may see case for his MVP, but does he think he is a better player than Kawhi? :lol
He thinks guys like Paul George and Lamarcus Aldridge are better player than Kawhi, so yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
Maybe. He'll have to keep playing like he was just before the injury though. And I'm still not sure that's enough for the voters.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
If the Spurs get the first seed, Kawhi would be:Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursforSix
-The best offensive player.
-The best defensive player.
-And the only all-star.
...of the best team in the regular season. If that's not enough to win the MVP then the voters should off themselves, tbh.
I'm telling you...it's not enough. He's going to have to maintain a very high level of play for the rest of the season and have at least one more "oh shit" game like he did in Houston.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Although, if LMA is out for an extended period and they end up with the best record...maybe that'll give him some extra consideration.
weird season tbh, never seen such a close MVP race with each player having obvious negatives to their case
Russ - team is garbage, 7th seed
Harden - stats and team record but his defense is non-existent and everyone knows he is a trash defender, team is better overall than Thunder easily
Leonard - best record, solid PPG and %s but lacks the gaudy ast, reb #s of the first two
LeBron - probably the MVP in reality because it's Lebron, but his team is stacked regardless of them being shitty when he's out (more due to Lue being a terrible coach, imo) and his record is meh for being in the east and the type of roster he has
imo Harden is going to win it, unless Spurs can take the 1 spot and create some separation and Leonard goes HAM in the next meetings vs. GSW and Cavs
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Originally Posted by DAF86
Lol..they'r conveniently overlooking this fact..The Spurs guard situation is an embarrassment..
and as for westbrook, i'd be pretty shocked if he got it but also not surprised if thats possible. Shocked because his team and record isnt good and players with similar season in terms of value to their mediocre team didn't win (see: 2006 Kobe, hell even Oscar finished 3rd in voting his tripdub year) but not shocked due to the fact that "averaging a triple double" sounds sexy to mainstream tards as well as the narrative with Durant leaving
On another note..Lebron MVP case is slipping with how badly the Cavs are playing even with him in the lineup and logging 40 minutes on the regular..They have been atrocious on the road this season and that middling record in East isn't going to cut...If Celtics gets the top seed, James is out of it..
Even with Kawhi s defense and offense, Harden is still worth more wins to his team than Kawhi is to his.I'll say it again so you can understand it. Harden even with his shitty defense is still worth more wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Just because you say it and "say it again so I can understand it" it won't make it true, tbh. Sorry but ever since you laghed at the idea of Kawhi being better than LMA I can't no longer take you seriously. It's clear that you, either don't watch enough games, or you don't have the ability to fully understand it. In any case, your opinion is as valid to me as cobbler's talking about comfortable shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Nothing you said disputes that Harden is having a better season.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Hey dumbjohn, how did Kawhi's ass taste on March 6th?
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
:cry it was just one game :cry
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 140
Probably not like how the MVP trophy going to Harden will taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
:lmao..Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2...ng?w=600&h=315Quote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
^^ having to Photoshop that. :lol
Meanwhile Kawhi with his usual 31, 5, 4 game to grab that 1st seed.
I don't care what the voters decide. Kawhi is the real MVP, and anyone who believes otherwise is a faggot.
If Kawhi doesnt win it at age 25, they might feel sorry enough to give it to him next year after another top 2 finish. Kawhi has a legit chance pf winning multiple MVPs and FMVP in hos career since it looks like the warriors shot themsleves in the foot with the Durant signing.
Also Harden is one of those guys that might win MVP but will be not be remebered in basketball hsitory ala Nash, Rose etc. :lol
Probably westbrook too. :lol
Speaking of MVPs. How did Lebron not win MVP in his return to celveland? :lol
What makes him the MVP? Being assisted on 78% of his threes? Seem like Pop is the MVP over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcadian
Being the best offensive player, best defensive player, and only all-star on the team with the best record in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
An overachieving team at that.
And is being assisted a lot on his 3's, compared to Harden. Assisted more on his two's than Harden. Kawhi as of right now is not a playmaker. And is not tasked with creating for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
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Originally Posted by DAF86
Kawhi will Win one, if he doesnt win one this year and proccedds to play fantastic in the playoffs voters are going to be inclined tp vote for him next year and the years following.
There isn't a player right now in the Horizon that's looking like they're going to compete fofr MVP honours for years to come except for him. Harden and Westbrook narrative will die down..and no one else has the right combination of team wins-Star power- than Kawhi for the following years.
Lebron sure...but you get the feeling people are tired of voting for Lebron 2015 is probably the perfect example. Unreal how didnt get that much hype that year. +20 in wins too. Turned a non-playoff team into a contender.
But it is what it is.
A regurgitated cliche. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
It's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
What makes Harden the MVP? Breaking his own record for most turnovers in a season with 15 games left?Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
See I can use one stat as my argument too, dumbjohn.
Regurgitated cliche :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Dude, why don't you watch a game for a change? No, Kawhi isn't asked/allowed to be the kind of ballhog that guys like Harden and Westbrook are. For the most part, the Spurs play a motion offense where everybody gets relatively equal chances (according to their talents) at getting pts and assists. You will never see a Spur get eye popping scoring or assisting numbers, but that doesn't mean Kawhi isn't right now the number one playmaker on the Spurs (specially since the year started).Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
I'll give you that on that aspect he's still not on the elite level of other players, but he's been improving dramatically and is, as I already said, the number one playmaker on the team. So, not only he has to be the best scorer and the best defender, he also has to be the number one guy setting up folks out there. I don't know how much more burden do you want.
Cue in ":cry b...but he doesn't score or assists on more than half of his team's pts :cry"
Well, no shit the Spurs aren't doing that, they actually have aspirations of winning the championship.
Leading team in Scoring, Rebounding, and Assists. (Leads league in assists as well)...Think about that. Only one other player on the team who averages above 7 rebounds per game. 29 games of scoring or assisting on 50% or more of his teams points. 16 triple doubles. Four 40 point triple doubles. All while playing EVERY game and heavy minutes.,Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
If that's your argument then let's give it to Westbrook who does all that but at much more impressive rates, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
harden is shooting 36.7% on all shots that aren't layups or dunks... maybe he should start settling for assisted shots :lol. kawhi at 44.8%
harden's usage at 34.2 compared to kawhi's 31.3. yeah, that makes up for their defensive discrepancy
You forgot the part where he doesn't show up on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
He's also shooting under 40% since like the start of February IIRC. Meanwhile Kawhi is averaging 30 PPG on damn near 50/40/90 in 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
but but the system and Harden's burden :cry
11.2 assists per game isn't ballhogging. And you made my point for me. The Spurs play in a system that emphasizes ball movement. Harden has to involve everyone himself. Have you seen Beverley try and initiate the offense? That shit is cringeworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
have you seen parker initiate an offense?Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
What is his percentage on the year? Pretty sure since the start of February is included in season averages :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Kawhi is also assisted more on 2pt shots. And you distorted the 36.7% since he doesn't take many 2pt shots outside of layups. And is shooting a decent 35% from 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
The retarded, outdated "high assists totals isn't ballhogging" comment. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Dude if you have the ball on your hands for 99% of the possession, in the majority of the possessions of your team in a game, you are ball hogging. It doesn't matter if you end the possession with a shot or an assist, tbh.
I'll give you that Harden isn't as bad as Westbrook in that regard though.
44% which isn't as atrocious as under 40% but still pretty damn bad. Point is, your guy is faltering as the stakes are getting bigger. Meanwhile, Kawhichael Jordan is elevating his play.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
A ballhog is defined as one who doesn't pass the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ball%20hog
44% for a shooting guard is right around average actually, which is 45%.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Outdated, retarded definition, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Who is more of a ball hog in your opinion:Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
-A player that catches and shoots it on every possession of his team.
-Or a player that controls the ball on every possession of his team and only passes it at the end of plays to get an assist?
You don't get to be MVP by shooting below average, faltering as the stakes get higher, playing no defense, and breaking turnover records. Take your homer glasses off, dummy.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Ball hogs don't pass at all. Btw, never said Kawhi was one.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Wow 1 percent below average, which is pretty much at average :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
No, you get MVP when your team can't score shit without you. When you have to lead in points rebounds AND assists. When you average close to a triple double all season while winning. All while not taking ganes off for rest. Homer glasses my ass. NBA voters already know. It ain't Kawhi's.
So now the criteria for MVP is who chucks more off the dribble 3s? :lmao
The criteria for MVP is who is most valuable to their team.Quote:
Originally Posted by 140
And since when is "just below the average" shooting the norm for an MVP? Since when is shooting below 40% for the back end of the season the norm for an MVP? Stop trying to normalize it. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
:lol Why even bring that up then?Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
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Still think LeBron isn't getting enough MVP love. He's been playing out of his mind since the new calendar year. Yeah yeah, voter fatigue...still seems weird how little discussion there's been about him.
Cavs have been mediocre. Lebron not being able to elevate his team's game in the shitty East shouldn't be rewarded, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan86
Cavs aren't mediocre at all when LeBron is on the court, though :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Cavs with LeBron on: +9.0
Cavs with LeBron off: -8.1
Spurs with Kawhi on: +9.3
Spurs with Kawhi off: +8.4
Not sure how LeBron is supposed to elevate his team's play while he's sitting on the bench.
Cavs are like 6-6 since Love went out. Cavs as a whole have had kind of a let down season. You don't win MVPs when your team underperforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan86
Derek Rose won MVP shooting 44%. Pretty sure that is an average percentage. Now kiss my shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Oh and :lmao at Fkla pretending like the media cares about shooting percentage when Westbrook has been in the conversation all year shooting worse than Harden.
Harden is the worst clutch performer of all MVP candidates. :lol..His style of play in close games the single reason why I am skeptical of the Rockets postseasons chances..
I honestly believe that if a team ran a total gimmicky season where 4 other players just never touched the ball, and one player had all the stats, even if the team never won a game, that player would be heralded as a great player by some in the media and some faggots on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Not true. Ball hogs do pass to avoid a turnover. They are stat hogs, they will hog rebounds, assists and points. If the league started tracking between the leg dribbles, they'd be sure to count those as well in their repertoire. Anything to get numbers that fool casual fans and make talking points during contract negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
the excuse for lebron is this, when they win games they say his the best
when they lose games? his coasting...should reward mvp for coasting?
:lol That is not an average percentage for an MVP at all. The fact that one of the worst MVPs of all-time won it while shooting that badly doesn't normalize it.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Rose didn't deserve MVP that year. Only reason he got it was because of the Bulls record. So, in any case, Rose's example should help Kawhi's chances, who is a lot more deserving this year than Rose in '11, tbh.
It is average for a SG. How many SG win MVP? I'll wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
BTW, Iverson won MVP while shooting 42%. Kobe won it shooting 45% which is a good percentage for a SHOOTING guard. :lol Fkla
Lou Williams should be MVP tbh. Him and Gordon are absoulte mosnters in the Houston System. Every Guard in that System is a nightmare.
Gordon came back down to earth some time ago and Lou actually hasn't hit his stride in Houston.. I wouldn't claim they are absolute monsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
If Kwa would have dunked that for the tie late vs Blazers that would have given him another point or two.
Yeah, I was at the game. He fudged that crunch time finger roll. He should have flushed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabbs
:lol I have again to see the ":cry but but all his shots are assisted :cry" as this is a bad thing or a proof of a player being less valuable than another... that's the worst take I have ever read in all those ST years and thats saying a lot...
:rolleyes my player is better because he does not catch and shoot, he creates his own 36% crap FG.... :lmao oh boy
yeah that was atrocious...soft as hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Fabbs
I think Kwa anticipated that tall guy on Blazers Nukric was going to go up hard for the block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Was kind of surprising Nukric did not go up as tall as he could.
I was surprised too.
Also, trail defender made really quick recovery and was siding Kwa.
Combo of two is why chose finger roll.