Kawhi making a huge statement for MVP

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Harden has everything going for him so its hard to imagine him losing, I'm surprised at the rate he is getting his stats, Winning, and plus narrative..He isn't a unanimous choice yet.

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Wouldn't be mad at Harden winning MVP when he's doing the Spurs a favor by cucking the Cripples/Jazz out of the 3rd seed.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Is he a better offensive player than Klaynus '4th Option' Thompson yet?

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Faggots like you love to cherry pick games to say you're right but we'll see come June, won't we.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Faggots like you love to cherry pick games to say you're right but we'll see come June, won't we.

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Says the guy that kept on using the 60 point game as his basis..GTFO Fat hands.

You have never played basketball in your life, some people have never played ball but understand the game..but thats not you.

you're just a fat man in a sports forum dishing out "elite" takes to make yourself feel superior because in real life, you're pathetic piece of lard.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Faggots like you love to cherry pick games to say you're right but we'll see come June, won't we.

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So Kawhi has to win a championship as a 1st option in order to prove that he's a better offensive player than a 3rd/4th option? Sound logic. :tu

25.1 PPG on 49/41/91 with defenses game planning for him doesn't matter, apparently.

He is worthy TBH. Have to remember Pops system depresses guys production bc Pop looks to get the others involved too, etc.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

So Kawhi has to win a championship as a 1st option in order to prove that he's a better offensive player than a 3rd/4th option? Sound logic. :tu

25.1 PPG on 49/41/91 with defenses game planning for him doesn't matter, apparently.

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KL is averaging more than Curry. DeRozan is averaging more than Lebron. Westbrook is averaging more than Lebron as well. Are Westbrook and DeRozan better scorers than Curry and Lebron? Is Boogie a better scorer than Kawhi? Is Isaiah Thomas really the 2nd best scorer in the NBA?

See what kind of a corner you've painted yourself into?

Fans and media way too obsessed with the triple double thing right now and completely ignore usage/turnovers/FG %, defense, and even wins to a certain extent because of it. No one has a chance besides Harden and Westbrook. Kawhi could jump in front of Westbrook if the Thunder fall a lot lower in the standings.

Gotta say though Harden's FG % is pretty nice for his usage and difficulty of shots. I expected him to be closer to 42% than his current 44%.

There's all the yapping about Harden and Westbrook but don't sell the media short: they're starting to give Kawhi some serious love, and Westbrook not starting at the SG is only the first step.

Remember how Kawhi was disrespected before, system player, best two-way player, etc.? Well, this is from tonight's AP report:

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There were clutch shots, defensive stops, drama and in Leonard vs. James, a budding rivalry between superstars.

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The times they are a-changing.

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

There's all the yapping about Harden and Westbrook but don't sell the media short: they're starting to give Kawhi some serious love, and Westbrook not starting at the SG is only the first step.

Remember how Kawhi was disrespected before, system player, best two-way player, etc.? Well, this is from tonight's AP report:



The times they are a-changing.

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It's interesting. There really doesn't seem to be anyone else who can truly go toe to toe with the King at this point. He squashed Curry like a bug in the Finals (once he had a real squad) and basically ended his bid as a true top player. He's consistently owned the shit out of KD unless KD is on a super team of super teams like he is now. He and Kawhi consistently have tough, hard fought battles where it can be hard to determine who won the 1 on 1 battle. It's a rivalry that actually makes a little sense if some things play out favorably for the Spurs over the next several years.

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Originally Posted by DMC

KL is averaging more than Curry. DeRozan is averaging more than Lebron. Westbrook is averaging more than Lebron as well. Are Westbrook and DeRozan better scorers than Curry and Lebron? Is Boogie a better scorer than Kawhi? Is Isaiah Thomas really the 2nd best scorer in the NBA?

See what kind of a corner you've painted yourself into?

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You forgot to mention one little detail; the most Klaynus has ever averaged is 22.1 PPG.

Sorry, but that isn't covered up by you bringing up LeBron, Curry, or any of the other guys you mentioned. He hasn't had the kind of scoring seasons that those guys have.

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

There's all the yapping about Harden and Westbrook but don't sell the media short: they're starting to give Kawhi some serious love, and Westbrook not starting at the SG is only the first step.

Remember how Kawhi was disrespected before, system player, best two-way player, etc.? Well, this is from tonight's AP report:



The times they are a-changing.

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Your joking right??? They say that because they fucking HAVE to say it, because Kawhi and Spurs are fucking MAKING them say it. Make no mistake though, they hate every syllable coming out of their own mouths/fingers admitting it, you can take that to the bank. "This is not in the script"

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Originally Posted by skulls138

Your joking right??? They say that because they fucking HAVE to say it, because Kawhi and Spurs are fucking MAKING them say it. Make no mistake though, they hate every syllable coming out of their own mouths/fingers admitting it, you can take that to the bank. "This is not in the script"

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I don't think the AP really has an agenda re: players like ESPN and others would. And they didn't even try to sugarcoat it this time.

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Originally Posted by John Petrucci

Fans and media way too obsessed with the triple double thing right now and completely ignore usage/turnovers/FG %, defense, and even wins to a certain extent because of it. No one has a chance besides Harden and Westbrook. Kawhi could jump in front of Westbrook if the Thunder fall a lot lower in the standings.

Gotta say though Harden's FG % is pretty nice for his usage and difficulty of shots. I expected him to be closer to 42% than his current 44%.

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He takes a ton of shots in the restricted area & is pretty good at finish through contact like Lebron. It's also via PnR rather than straight ISOs like Iverson which means he gets a lot of mismatches.

This national prime time is what he needed to get the wider public sitting up with their jaws opened in shock at this superman. I'd to see him win it like the next person but as long as he is ready to go all MJ in post season is what really matters.

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

I don't think the AP really has an agenda re: players like ESPN and others would. And they didn't even try to sugarcoat it this time.

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Spurs have been the second best team all year.

Why...:bangdoesnt...:bangthat...:bangmatter:bang

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Originally Posted by FkLA

You forgot to mention one little detail; the most Klaynus has ever averaged is 22.1 PPG.

Sorry, but that isn't covered up by you bringing up LeBron, Curry, or any of the other guys you mentioned. He hasn't had the kind of scoring seasons that those guys have.

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If we use PPG, you say this year is the indication because KL is ahead.

If we use career PPG you say the past doesn't matter because KL wasn't the 1st option.

You then say Klay is the 4th option.

If we use most points scored in a single game, you say it's an anomaly.

If we use most 40+ point games, you say it's irrelevant.

If we use most points scored in a single quarter, you say it's an anomaly.

If we use the fact that Klay scored 60pts in 29 minutes, you mention the opponent (as if KL never played against the same teams).

What is your reason for saying Kawhi is a better scorer than Klay? In the past you said because KL can get into the paint, that he has more facets to his game, and mentioned assisted buckets by Klay. Then you decried isoball.

You don't know whether to shit or go blind.

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Originally Posted by skulls138

Spurs have been the second best team all year.

Why...:bangdoesnt...:bangthat...:bangmatter:bang

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LMA, Pau, David Lee

GS has been the best team all year. Should Durant walk away with it?

If the Spurs are worse than last year and if GS is worse than last year, but Houston is better than last year and makes a significant push for a high seeding, they will get consideration and Harden will be seen as the reason they have improved. Look for Mike D to be considered for CotY as well.

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Originally Posted by DMC

If we use PPG, you say this year is the indication because KL is ahead.

If we use career PPG you say the past doesn't matter because KL wasn't the 1st option.

You then say Klay is the 4th option.

If we use most points scored in a single game, you say it's an anomaly.

If we use most 40+ point games, you say it's irrelevant.

If we use most points scored in a single quarter, you say it's an anomaly.

If we use the fact that Klay scored 60pts in 29 minutes, you mention the opponent (as if KL never played against the same teams).

What is your reason for saying Kawhi is a better scorer than Klay? In the past you said because KL can get into the paint, that he has more facets to his game, and mentioned assisted buckets by Klay. Then you decried isoball.

You don't know whether to shit or go blind.

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No, idiot. I've told you for the longest time that Kawhi is a better offensive player simply due to the fact he does what he does as a first option on an elite team, and all the defensive attention from opponents that comes with that. The PPG and percentages just adds insult to injury. I asked you the initial question in this thread to make fun of you not because I actually thought we would have a legit discussion about it.

One guy is a first option, is scoring more PPG, is more efficient. The other is third option at best, scores less PPG, and is less efficient. You have no argument.

Westbrook 30/10/10
Harden 29/11-12/8

Kawhi will have to put up gawdy numbers the rest the season to compete with that, tbh.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Westbrook 30/10/10
Harden 29/11-12/8

Kawhi will have to put up gawdy numbers the rest the season to compete with that, tbh.

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Both shooting sub 45%, also only 2 players averaging over 5 turnovers per game.

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Originally Posted by rasuo214

Both shooting sub 45%, also only 2 players averaging over 5 turnovers per game.

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The media has been pretty content to overlook that thus far. But if Kawhi can up his stats and help secure the one seed, then that could could play for him.

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

I'm actually more interested in the All-NBA 1st Team forwards after Kawhi dropped a career high on Durant/LeBron while beating them on their homecourt.

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Yep. If he isn't 1st team, it'll be a ripoff. He got it last year, right?

Meanwhile, Harden couldn't even crack the 3rd team :lol

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Originally Posted by DMC

LMA, Pau, David Lee

GS has been the best team all year. Should Durant walk away with it?

If the Spurs are worse than last year and if GS is worse than last year, but Houston is better than last year and makes a significant push for a high seeding, they will get consideration and Harden will be seen as the reason they have improved. Look for Mike D to be considered for CotY as well.

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We're talking about Kawhi just now getting in the conversation...thats ludicrous. And if you dont take into account the obvious media bias against the Spurs throughout the years as a part of this, Ill just have to disagree with you. As for KD, its been much closer on GSW as to who was the best player than Kawhi to the Spurs. On GSW Durant isnt even vocal leader, Draymond Green is. Kawhi on the other hand has taken the mantle of leadership square on his shoulders, if uncomfortably.

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Originally Posted by BatManu20

Kawhi's not winning MVP this season. Writers/voters already have it in their mind that it's between Westbrook & Harden, with Durant and Kawhi fighting for third. Kawhi will likely finish 3rd or 4th, barring some sort of wild unforeseen set of events. He should definitely get more consideration though for being both our best offense and defensive player. Not many players can do that bc it takes a toll. He's been remarkable.

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Yep.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

No, idiot. I've told you for the longest time that Kawhi is a better offensive player simply due to the fact he does what he does as a first option on an elite team, and all the defensive attention from opponents that comes with that. The PPG and percentages just adds insult to injury. I asked you the initial question in this thread to make fun of you not because I actually thought we would have a legit discussion about it.

One guy is a first option, is scoring more PPG, is more efficient. The other is third option at best, scores less PPG, and is less efficient. You have no argument.

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KL's career average is slightly over 15PPG. Klay's is over 18PPG.

No go ahead and tell me that the past is unimportant because Kawhi wasn't the 1st option.

Stupid motherfucker.